Terminator: Genisys - Part 7

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I liked Yelchin as a young Kyle Reese.

Also the movie is on again right now.
When I watch the movie, I can think of three things. They waste John on a bike, they basically wanted to make T2 in the future, and Bale going Batman on the entire crew. :funny:
 
But he cut it. And we most also consider the direction they went with T3 and more importantly the hints in the first film and the second film. Namely, the only way tech was able to advance far enough to make the machines was what happened in the first Terminator. Also, again, John's father. How was John born the first time without Kyle? Where was the picture come from?

Ignore T3. :funny:

In all seriousness, yes the message in T3 was undeniably Judgment Day is inevitable. No argument there.

I'm speaking STRICTLY in regards to just T2 and the central core and messages presented to us in that film. It's built around the concept that the predestination loop COULD be broken and Judgment Day CAN be stopped.
 
When I watch the movie, I can think of three things. They waste John on a bike, they basically wanted to make T2 in the future, and Bale going Batman on the entire crew. :funny:
It is totally T2 in the future. People who say Salvation is something drastically different are misguided in my opinion.

I can never not think of the Bale rant while watching the film, it was hilarious.
 
I wished that Salvation had made Connor a Terminator. I think it would've made for a better film and perhaps helped justify why Marcus was such an important character in the film, his sacrifice could've had more meaning. Also I like the idea of a Terminator defeating Skynet, a machine beating a machine. And it felt like once Salvation gutted that they didn't change the movie enough to reflect the new changes.
The ending that I heard about for TS was John Connor replaced by a Terminator double who subsequently killed everyone in the resistance .
 
The script for TS is a bit of a mess but the movie pops visually and it's got some ****ing furious action scenes.
 
That Alan Taylor story from the Daily Beast is a little depressing. He basically admits to being a hired gun that doesn't even like the franchise. This was a paycheck gig to him and nothing more.
 
I despise the idea of John Connor being turned evil, despise it. Once they showed that in the TG trailer they guaranteed that they wouldn't be getting my money.
That Alan Taylor story from the Daily Beast is a little depressing. He basically admits to being a hired gun that doesn't even like the franchise. This was a paycheck gig to him and nothing more.
Alan Taylor in general is depressing. Dear Hollywood stop hiring him.
 
It is totally T2 in the future. People who say Salvation is something drastically different are misguided in my opinion.

I can never not think of the Bale rant while watching the film, it was hilarious.
Another good thing about TS is John Connors narration at the end .
It echoes Sarah Connors narration at the end of T2.
Nice thematic Easter Egg there.
 
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The ending that I heard about for TS was John Connor replaced by a Terminator double who subsequently killed everyone in the resistance .

It wasn't a Terminator double but Marcus Wright himself.

John is fatally wounded and right before he dies he asks Marcus to assume his identity (through a face change) so that that the idea of John Connor didn't die with him.

Basically, the symbol of John Connor was more important than the man. It was very misguided direction to go in IMO and was scrapped due to fan backlash, when it leaked online.
 
Ignore T3. :funny:

In all seriousness, yes the message in T3 was undeniably Judgment Day is inevitable. No argument there.

I'm speaking STRICTLY in regards to just T2 and the central core and messages presented to us in that film. It's built around the concept that the predestination loop COULD be broken and Judgment Day CAN be stopped.
And yet, if they do that, John would disappear. And he never does. That is the point. They couldn't stop Judgment Day. Cameron's intent with the sequence is outweighed by the actual films themselves.
 
That Alan Taylor story from the Daily Beast is a little depressing. He basically admits to being a hired gun that doesn't even like the franchise. This was a paycheck gig to him and nothing more.

I mentioned awhile back that Taylor was a hired gun on this. David Ellison and Skydance (who control the rights) were steering the ship.
 
It is totally T2 in the future. People who say Salvation is something drastically different are misguided in my opinion.

I can never not think of the Bale rant while watching the film, it was hilarious.
Yep, and that is why it is such a disappointment. They went as far as to make the main character the terminator, not John. No wonder they thought about killing him. They didn't want him anyways.
 
I despise the idea of John Connor being turned evil, despise it. Once they showed that in the TG trailer they guaranteed that they wouldn't be getting my money.
Alan Taylor in general is depressing. Dear Hollywood stop hiring him.
John Connor, the hero of the future. The man who saves the human race. Except never in the Terminator films. There, he completely expendable after T2. :doh:

I can't believe I was a champion for Taylor. His work on GoT was truly good.
 
If I had to rate the series:

T2
T1
TS
TG
T3
 
And yet, if they do that, John would disappear. And he never does. That is the point. They couldn't stop Judgment Day. Cameron's intent with the sequence is outweighed by the actual films themselves.

Your speaking of time travel as if it's real and we know what the consequences of it would actually be. :funny:

In the original ending, they prevented Judgment Day but John still existed in the altered 2029. Sarah mentioned that even though Judgment Day was prevented she still has memories of the dark future that never came to be.

It's fiction. You establish your own set rules and then you make sure to follow them. Nowhere in any of the Terminator films is it established that a person would disappear out of thin air, if present day events are altered.


Here's another Cameron quote:

I asked myself a hypothetical question: what if you could you grab a line of history like it's a rope stretched between two points, and just pull it out of the way? If you can pull it just a little bit out of the way then cut it at that moment, maybe you could change it and history could go in a slightly different direction. Like the catastrophe theory. If you could actually do that you would get a future that no longer exists except in the memories of the people who are here now. They have a memory of a future that will never happen, which is curious, because it defies our Newtonian view of the world. But couldn't it be possible? That became my point of departure. It's like the Terminator is an anomaly of our time because he's the only one who has memories of a time that will never exist. His particular future does not exist anymore.
 
John Connor, the hero of the future. The man who saves the human race. Except never in the Terminator films. There, he completely expendable after T2. :doh:

I can't believe I was a champion for Taylor. His work on GoT was truly good.
It's baffling and obnoxious that they continue to run away from turning Connor into the interesting legendary hero that he should be. In Salvation Mary Sue Wright is the hero for some inexplicable reason.
 
Your speaking of time travel as if it's real and we know what the consequences of it would actually be. :funny:

In the original ending, they prevented Judgment Day but John still existed in the altered 2029. Sarah mentioned that even though Judgment Day was prevented she still has memories of the dark future that never came to be.

It's fiction. You establish your own set rules and then you make sure to follow them. Nowhere in any of the Terminator films is it established that a person would disappear out of thin air, if present day events are altered.


Here's another Cameron quote:

I asked myself a hypothetical question: what if you could you grab a line of history like it's a rope stretched between two points, and just pull it out of the way? If you can pull it just a little bit out of the way then cut it at that moment, maybe you could change it and history could go in a slightly different direction. Like the catastrophe theory. If you could actually do that you would get a future that no longer exists except in the memories of the people who are here now. They have a memory of a future that will never happen, which is curious, because it defies our Newtonian view of the world. But couldn't it be possible? That became my point of departure. It's like the Terminator is an anomaly of our time because he's the only one who has memories of a time that will never exist. His particular future does not exist anymore.
Sarah's memories of the future aren't memories. They are stories Kyle gave her. She never actually witnessed the "dark future".

That theory of time travel, I have actually read before, in The Dark Tower. The problem with it matching up here, is that John still needs to be born in the original timeline. The Terminators need to exist in the original timeline. The timelines before anyone is ever sent back. And whatever Cameron was thinking between the first film and the second film, what is put on film establishes a loop. So either Cameron is a horrible storyteller, or he ended up telling a story he didn't intend. After watching them again, I firmly believe this, especially as Dyson, the one responsible for Skynet, would have never been able to create it without the tech left by the original Terminator.

Ask this question. Where does the photo Kyle has of Sarah come from if it isn't a loop.
 
It wasn't a Terminator double but Marcus Wright himself.

John is fatally wounded and right before he dies he asks Marcus to assume his identity (through a face change) so that that the idea of John Connor didn't die with him.

Basically, the symbol of John Connor was more important than the man. It was very misguided direction to go in IMO and was scrapped due to fan backlash, when it leaked online.[/QUOTE)
Agreed.
They chose the right ending .
 
That Alan Taylor story from the Daily Beast is a little depressing. He basically admits to being a hired gun that doesn't even like the franchise. This was a paycheck gig to him and nothing more.

Why am I not surprised? Oh right the unapologetic erasing of the first two films mixed with the almost parody like remaking of T1 scenes, while taking two of the most unkillable bad guys of all time and making it look easy against them. Oh right, and taking the savior of mankind and making him a terminator. You can tell the guy directing this couldn't care less about terminator. It deserves to flop.
 
Sarah's memories of the future aren't memories. They are stories Kyle gave her. She never actually witnessed the "dark future".

I meant the original T2 coda. I know you don't want to acknowledge it because it was cut (which is fair) but Sarah mentions that even thought the timeline has been altered, she still has knowledge of the dark future that never happened and John still grew up, had a family and even became a senator.

Ask this question. Where does the photo Kyle has of Sarah come from if it isn't a loop.

It's most definitely a loop. Absolutely. I never said otherwise. The original film was beautifully structured around that premise. I'm speaking strictly about T2, where the whole film is built on the premise where the future can be changed and the loop could be broken.
 
I think T3 is by far the worst of the franchise. It's ineptly directed and Nick Stahl, Claire Danes and Kristanna Loken are horrible in it.

Nick Stahl was actually the worst of the 3 for me.

And wft happened to Kristanna Loken?
 
So....this movie basically did to the Terminator franchise what DOFP did to the Xmen franchise? Clean slate without rebooting.
 
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