Terminator: Genisys - Part 8

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Rocketman said:
Agreed 100%. It definitely felt fresh.
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I thought it was to the Terminator franchise what Quest for Peace was to the Chris Reeve Superman movies, which was the opposite of "fresh".

And where the hell do you go with a sequel to something so convoluted as this story was?
 
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Cpt Howling Mad said:
Fury Road was R rated, which makes any box office comparison fairly pointless. Genisys should have easily done much better thanks to its PG13 rating.

While the two films aren't that far apart in terms of box office, they're virtually polar opposites when it comes to sequel potential. Fury Road has a visionary director, critical acclaim, strong word-of-mouth, and clear signs of franchise growth at both the box office and on home video. Genisys has none of these things.
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This.
 
Rocketman said:
Agreed 100%. It definitely felt fresh.

I do think though, in the future when they reboot this again (in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, whatever... you know it's inevitable), they should start completely from scratch and not rely on any previous timeline / continuity. Just do a whole new thing like Batman Begins or Casino Royale did. Even The Amazing Spider-Man and Man of Steel did it right. Don't rely on previous movies at all. Do your own thing.
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The thing is, you can film it another way and not even worry about calling it a reboot. The idea can be said to be loosely base upon the OUTER LIMITS episode "Soldier" where two soldiers from the future travel back in time and fight each other (if I remember right, Harlan Ellison even sued Cameron saying it was based on his work)...but it can also be linked to the OT series episode "The Man Who Was Never Born" about a man from the future who travels back in time to kill a man so he can change the future. So variations of the basic idea have been done before....you can do them again with new ideas thrown in for fun.
 
I turned off my brain when I watched the movie. Then I realised that it's dangerous to turn off brains and pressed the "on" button before I died.

The movie wasn't very good, but kind of entertaining in a stupid way. Like peeing on electrical fences. Or forcing your friends to do it.
 
I turned off my cynical I must complain about stuff button and turned on my fun button....had a good time watching it.
 
C. Lee said:
I turned off my cynical I must complain about stuff button and turned on my fun button....had a good time watching it.
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Exactly, it's a movie about robots and weird crap like that. Not a masterpiece, but entertaining enough to watch on a friday night.
 
C. Lee said:
It's nice when a movie I like does well at the box office....but it's success or lack there of doesn't influence whether I like a movie or not....nor does having others not liking it keep me from saying that I do like it if I do.
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So very true.
 
C. Lee said:
I turned off my cynical I must complain about stuff button and turned on my fun button....had a good time watching it.
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what kind of alcohol / drugs were necessary to achieve this?
 
Cpt Howling Mad said:
Fury Road was R rated, which makes any box office comparison fairly pointless. Genisys should have easily done much better thanks to its PG13 rating.

While the two films aren't that far apart in terms of box office, they're virtually polar opposites when it comes to sequel potential. Fury Road has a visionary director, critical acclaim, strong word-of-mouth, and clear signs of franchise growth at both the box office and on home video. Genisys has none of these things.
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Not really, plenty of R-rated films have done fairly significant box office takes.
 
TheVileOne said:
Not really, plenty of R-rated films have done fairly significant box office takes.
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But generally speaking, Hollywood considers PG13 films to have the potential to triple what is possible with a stricter rating. That's not the same as saying an R rated movie still can't make lots of money at the box office.

It's also worth mentioning in this particular case as Genisys' lower rating was a calculated attempt to try and maximize box office. The lack of movement on a sequel suggests that Paramount likely shares the opinion that the film should have easily grossed much more.
 
Cpt Howling Mad said:
But generally speaking, Hollywood considers PG13 films to have the potential to triple what is possible with a stricter rating. That's not the same as saying an R rated movie still can't make lots of money at the box office.

It's also worth mentioning in this particular case as Genisys' lower rating was a calculated attempt to try and maximize box office. The lack of movement on a sequel suggests that Paramount likely shares the opinion that the film should have easily grossed much more.
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It doesn't help that the original producer Megan Ellison promised an R-rating only to hand it over to her brother who in turn neutered that promise.

A true measure of a personal victory at the box office if not necessarily a financial one is not how much audience comes up front, but how much audience keeps coming back.
 
I always want another Terminator. The next one really needs to up its game. Maybe scale it back a bit. Less cgi. Less on kyle and Sarah and more on John and Arnolds character. To me what works it Arnold and John Connor. Don't care about the rating. You can make a grim Terminator without the R rating. All the terminators are rated M here in Australia.
Back to basics I say but still make it your film and also make it seem that it flows from the Cameron films. Focus on finishing the story.
 
I don't see how they could write a sequel to Genisys. It seems like they wrote themselves into a corner with the Happily Ever After Farm Life.

At least Sarah and Kyle could live together finally BUT . . . that wasn't really Sarah & Kyle plus their brief romance was one of the more effectively tragic things in the Terminator mythology
 
Cpt Howling Mad said:
But generally speaking, Hollywood considers PG13 films to have the potential to triple what is possible with a stricter rating. That's not the same as saying an R rated movie still can't make lots of money at the box office.

It's also worth mentioning in this particular case as Genisys' lower rating was a calculated attempt to try and maximize box office. The lack of movement on a sequel suggests that Paramount likely shares the opinion that the film should have easily grossed much more.
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The last two Terminator films were released with PG-13 ratings, and yet they both made less domestically than the R-rated Terminator 2. The proof is is in the pudding.
 
Taking a franchise that traditionally is rated R and PG-13ing it doesn't usually work. There are a few exceptions but most of the time it just turns away the existing audience while not pulling in much of a new audience.

Afterall if a franchise is primarily aimed at adults and you turn it into teenage fare how do you expect to retain the adults?
 
Which did not perform as well as they expected (and also was not as good as the first two in any event). Convienently they finger-pointed at piracy rather than a poor script. And it would fall under that "few exceptions" note I mentioned.
 
Cue surprise from no one whatsoever.
 
When you get ousted for a Baywatch movie, you know you ****ed up.
 
This garbage's sequel would've had the audacity to call itself T2? For that alone I'm glad it's been shelved.
 
And no I'm not gloating and I have nothing against people who liked the film and I do feel for them if they are disappointed.
 
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