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Not just that, in a more simple way to look at it. Your wife (or in Kate's case, husband) and/or best friend is dying on a table and someone offers to sacrifice their life to save them.

Ethics aside, deep down, you wouldn't take that help?
 
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Wait, I'm confused. So the cops knew internal affairs was setting them up?[

What are you talking about? There was nothing like that in there.
 
It's a SIMPSONS reference, as was my response. Go find "The Joy of Sect" and watch it. Hilarious stuff.
 
Well LostSon I have to give you credit, you've just about convinced me I'm wrong. Your right that if it were my wife or child dying I would do the same thing that Kate did. I'm not sure if I were in John's position I would have let Marcus do what he did, but after hearing your reasoning on it it does make a bit more sense. I still don't have to like it though ;)
 
Not just that, in a more simple way to look at it. Your wife (or in Kate's case, husband) and/or best friend is dying on a table and someone offers to sacrifice their life to save them.

Ethics aside, deep down, you wouldn't take that help?
Who wouldn't:huh:

I did like how Marcus' story went full circle.
 
You know what bothers me about this whole Marcus dies versus Marcus becomes John debate. It's not necessary at all. How about, we never put John Connor in the position of being anywhere close to death at this point. Kill Kate, Kill Common, Kill Arnold. But why the need to either kill or put John Connor in a near death experience? It's cheap anyway you try to write it.
 
You know what bothers me about this whole Marcus dies versus Marcus becomes John debate. It's not necessary at all. How about, we never put John Connor in the position of being anywhere close to death at this point. Kill Kate, Kill Common, Kill Arnold. But why the need to either kill or put John Connor in a near death experience? It's cheap anyway you try to write it.

all for shock value
 
You know what bothers me about this whole Marcus dies versus Marcus becomes John debate. It's not necessary at all. How about, we never put John Connor in the position of being anywhere close to death at this point. Kill Kate, Kill Common, Kill Arnold. But why the need to either kill or put John Connor in a near death experience? It's cheap anyway you try to write it.

Well it goes back to the whole messiah aspect...John coming back from near death. I'm sure that will make his legend grow among the resistance. Especially since he took on Skynet by himself
 
I saw the movie. It wasn't terribly thrilling.

6/10
 
I think no one should be critiquing this movie like they expected more out of McG when it makes more sense to expect less. No way was this movie ever going to have a high critic rating...and I accepted that going into it. Not that I accept a low ball film but more that I knew it was coming and there's nothing I can do about it.

Seriously, though this series had confusion from the get go and everyone knows it so why discuss tiny details about why Skynet should have done this and that...

There are inconsistantcies througout this series...like why the hell wouldn't Skynet just send back 20 Terminators for John or go back to a more vulnerable time when John was teeny weeny baby. It just didn't happen...no big deal to me.

If there are any inconsistencies that bugged me its why Skynet wouldn't make 20 giant robots and end it all.

However I enjoyed it...I do think the old homage scenes near the end was cool and how Arnold's commisioned T-800 showed up. I'd see it again in theatres.

I agree with most, the last 5 minutes were weak...and you could see coming.

I also agree that the trailers should have never shown any of Marcus' true being.
 
As I said in the Terminator Salvation Thread, McG is a mediocre director. But he did what he could and he tried to get everything right. It's not all his fault that the movie wasn't better. But for me, it was good, I enjoyed it (although it lacks in character development). 8/10 from me, although I think it deserves only 7.5!

And I will laugh at anyone who expected this to top the first two movies! Seriously!:cwink:
 
Could have been so much better. While I felt the acting saved it, the story was very mediocre and the ending was too hokey. McG doesn't redeem himself with this movie. He's lucky he did have a stellar cast and pretty good action sequences and effects.
 
Seriously, though this series had confusion from the get go and everyone knows it so why discuss tiny details about why Skynet should have done this and that...

There are inconsistantcies througout this series...like why the hell wouldn't Skynet just send back 20 Terminators for John or go back to a more vulnerable time when John was teeny weeny baby. It just didn't happen...no big deal to me.

If there are any inconsistencies that bugged me its why Skynet wouldn't make 20 giant robots and end it all.

:applaud:applaud:applaud
 
You can just tell that the mods gave up on trying to care about the Terminator threads. There have been so much spoilers told without any spoiler tags for the last week. If it wasn't for the fact that the movie sucked and nobody should go see it, I'd kinda feel bad for anyone who came into this thread looking for a review and instead got the whole movie told to them
 
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There are inconsistantcies througout this series...like why the hell wouldn't Skynet just send back 20 Terminators for John or go back to a more vulnerable time when John was teeny weeny baby. It just didn't happen...no big deal to me.

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Actually that was explained. To a subtle degree in the first two, and it even further showed it in detail in the script future war part in T2 cut. But Kyle even said that they had won the war.

Why Skynet did not send back 1000 Terminator's was because when the TDE was fully functional was at the time that John and all the Resistance were banging at Skynet's door ready to shut him down for good. And in a last ditch effor Skynet sent back as many Terminators back at key points before they shut Skynet down.

The T2 original script showed even more of this in detail. But Kyle said his defense grid was smashed and so forth. They had won, in a last ditch effort before dying Skynet sent back as many as he could before they pulled his plug.
 
Actually that was explained. To a subtle degree in the first two, and it even further showed it in detail in the script future war part in T2 cut. But Kyle even said that they had won the war.

Why Skynet did not send back 1000 Terminator's was because when the TDE was fully functional was at the time that John and all the Resistance were banging at Skynet's door ready to shut him down for good. And in a last ditch effor Skynet sent back as many Terminators back at key points before they shut Skynet down.

The T2 original script showed even more of this in detail. But Kyle said his defense grid was smashed and so forth. They had won, in a last ditch effort before dying Skynet sent back as many as he could before they pulled his plug.

ah

"The More You Know"
 
If it wasn't for the fact that the movie sucked and nobody should go see it, I'd kinda feel bad for anyone who came into this thread looking for a review and instead got the whole movie told to them

I feel bad for anyone anticipating this film for the past 6 months and had to weave around 20 posts from the same guys repeating "It sucks, it blows, McG is a hack, etc.". I think that does more damage than someone letting a few plot points slip.

Don't even get me started on those who confuse opinion with fact.
 
Of course, how unoriginal of you...

you see, can't even joke around to try to lighten the mood. I'm sorry that you have money invested in the film and so personally you feel hurt by the fact that it's not going to have a sequel.
 
this is an interesting read...

'Terminator Salvation': The shocking, bummer of an ending you didn't see!

SPOILER ALERT: Do not read any further if you don't want to know plot details of Terminator Salvation. Seriously! You've been warned!

Two weeks before Terminator Salvation hit theaters, the film's director, McG, sat in his L.A. production office for an interview with EW. He was talking about the swirl of rumors and gossip surrounding the film -- about how bloggers had posted all kinds of far-fetched speculation during production and how it drove him nuts.

And then, out of nowhere, McG smiles and says, "Here's something I've never talked about before...".

Now, before we go any further, there's some backstory about the movie's plot you'll need to know if you haven't already seen it. Terminator Salvation is set in the year 2018 -- after the apocalyptic Judgment Day, which was prophesied in the earlier films. There are three main characters in the story: John Connor (Christian Bale), the son of Sarah Connor who will lead the resistance against the evil Skynet; Kyle Reese (Anton Yelchin), the young resistance fighter who will grow up and eventually travel back in time (as seen in the 1984 original when Reese was played by Michael Biehn) to impregnate Sarah Connor with the young savior, John Connor; and Marcus Wright, a mysterious dude who's half human, half machine programmed by Skynet (the fact that he's unaware of this makes for some of the most poignant scenes in the film).

Okay, now back to McG's big, juicy secret. A secret, by the way, that Bale will back up as you read on.


"There was talk on the Internet about an alternate ending where Connor dies and they take Connor's likeness and put it on top of Marcus Wright's machine body. So that it's actually a machine that's leading the resistance! And the Internet caught wind of that and people went, 'That's bulls---! We don't want that!'"

McG grins. "Well, that's not really what the ending was."

Actually, the bloggers were on the right track. Except, McG adds, the original ending actually went even further.

"Connor dies, okay? He's dead," McG continues. "And Marcus offers his physical body, so Connor's exterior is put on top of his machine body. It looks like Connor, but it's really Marcus underneath. And all of the characters we care about (Kyle Reese, Connor's wife Kate, etc.) are brought into the room to see him and they think it's Connor. And Connor gets up and then there's a small flicker of red in his eyes and he shoots Kate, he shoots Kyle, he shoots everybody in the room. Fade to black. End of movie. Skynet wins. F--- you!"

F--- you, indeed.

We tell the director that this would be the darkest, bleakest summer blockbuster ending of all time. He agrees.

"It's the most nihilistic thing of all time. And Christian went f---ing crazy, of course. He was insistent that it be done that way! He wanted the bad guys to win! Can you imagine the oxygen going out of the theater?! What just happened! It would piss you off! But maybe two years from now, you'd think it was ballsy. But in the end, it just felt like too much of a bummer."

He pauses, thinking about the alternate ending that wasn't. "Maybe we blew it."

McG says the studio had signed off on this original dark-as-night ending. But something about it didn't smell right to him in the end. How could a movie with a reported budget of $200 million and a possible future of sequels possibly end that way?

EW sits down with Bale the next day and tells the star how McG let the cat out of the bag. Bale laughs. "There's not much McG can keep in, is there?"

Was he really, as McG says, gung-ho to shoot that everyone-dies ending?

"I'm not the director," says Bale. "There came to be a different option that almost everyone, except myself, felt was the better way to go. I took a bit of convincing, but you know, at the end of the day, you need a director to make that call."

But doesn't he think that his Salvation would have been a depressing bummer, not to mention suicide at the box office?

"Done the way I saw it? No. But am I disappointed with this one? No."

Source: Entertainment Weekly
 
Wiseman, you are wrong there will be sequels. The DVD sales will be huge. It's a "guy's movie" buy. No matter, WB will pick it up for two more to finish the series with Bale on board...but they'll probably need to pick a better month to release in or atleast not a weekend when a big family movie comes out. This whole month's releases hurt the movie.

Solidus, I understand what you are explaining about when they did send back in time and everything but the semantics is the focus. With a time travel movie like this series has been its full of "oops" and clean ups but still has "huhs". That's my point. Why discuss minor details, not you, when major paast details have been confusing?

Still, why didn't Skynet make more giant bots with motorcycle guys to kill all humanity.

The main issue to me is "What is this all about? Why are the machines full fledged on ending the human race?" Alluding to this question would have been atleast something McG/Jonathan Nolan/other writers should have discussed. We still know nothing about the machines but what they are currently doing and their models.
 
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