Terminator Salvation: Review Central

[Deadpool876]

^^ For a woman who's very protective of her child, she seemed unmindful of the consequences of her actions.

...It was never even talked about in T2.

 

[snakeinthegear]

This movie was overhyped. Sure, it's a decent action movie but the film was slightly underwhelming. The best thing about the movie was the guerilla-style camera work and CGI Ahnold looked too CGI.

 

[WeaponXProject]

Solidus, I always understood the I,Robot message, which isn't as original as fans say but cool concept, that Cameron gave us for why the machines decided to flip but I never accepted that as a full reason...seems to easy. "Humans deteriorate the Earth, destroy themselves and everything that are resources, kill them." That's not enough for me. I wanted to delve into that more but it was mentioned and let go. And in fighting back, man and machine destroyed the Earth even worse...there has to be more to it is what I am saying.

I was more expecting the machines to believe they are the new humans...the more efficient, intelligent life so they wanted their dominance.

I'm with you Deadpool. There are so many "buts" and none of them really bothered me that much to not enjoy the first two and this one.

 

[The Lizard]

How old are his kids, does anyone here know.

Arnold's daughters are cute. Fortunately they look more like their mom.

 

[CELTICPRED]

Barring furrows, they have his brow line.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

The only kids in the world who can truly say, "My dad can beat up your dad... "
And no one would dare argue otherwise...

 

[Solidus]

Solidus, I always understood the I,Robot message, which isn't as original as fans say but cool concept, that Cameron gave us for why the machines decided to flip but I never accepted that as a full reason...seems to easy. "Humans deteriorate the Earth, destroy themselves and everything that are resources, kill them." That's not enough for me. I wanted to delve into that more but it was mentioned and let go. And in fighting back, man and machine destroyed the Earth even worse...there has to be more to it is what I am saying.

I was more expecting the machines to believe they are the new humans...the more efficient, intelligent life so they wanted their dominance.

I'm with you Deadpool. There are so many "buts" and none of them really bothered me that much to not enjoy the first two and this one.

Originality is almost impossible to achieve ever, its the way you do it that matters. The Matrix was not original, there had been many ideas brought upon that before it as well.

Thinking how computers run....on a program. Just like humans have the program into them to mate and carry on genes. It happens, it's ******ed, and really has no purpose other then to spread. That is no different int he programming of Skynet, its simple, and may sound stupid, but that is possible how a machine like Skynet may think. He follows his programing so much he does some odd things, and interprets programing different. As humans do with many things themselves. Cameron just tried to think, if a machine was made to protect the US and saw how dangerous we are, would he interpret it differently? As many humans interpert other things different, like religion and so forth. You say it seems to easy. Sometimes the easiest answer is the most likely. Just because it is easy does not make it any less complex of a reason, or most of all , "powerful" of a reason.


What the point of that was above to say it may be easy. But sometimes the most powerful things in this world are simple. And that was the creepiness of Skynet. Just a simple thought that terminated most of humanity.


Now of course I'm not saying you are unable to believe what you believe. But every thing you have brought up I have given a rebutal that is within the films themselves. And explanations. If you still don't like how it went that is fine, to eaches own. But there is reasons why these movies are still seen by many sci-fi lovers as masterpieces.

And as for there being some "but" moments in the movie....99.99999999% of fictional stories have that. No matter what. Some just make them more believable then others.

If you wish to continue this discussion and have a PS3 I would gladly do so verbally.You seem like a very intelligent chap and these discussions have been fun. If not well this has been a fun board discussion/debate.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Nice, very nice!

 

[Solidus]

Nice, very nice!

The one on the right looks too much like Arnold. I would be afraid she would say some one "liner" and try and kill me.

 

[Eggyman]

I wand yur cloves, yur bewts, and be my baby's daddi.

 

[Solidus]

I wand yur cloves, yur bewts, and be my baby's daddi.

As she is holding me by my leg over a cliff ala Commando style

 

[Etienne]

The only kids in the world who can truly say, "My dad can beat up your dad... "
And no one would dare argue otherwise...

The one on the right looks too much like Arnold. I would be afraid she would say some one "liner" and try and kill me.

I wand yur cloves, yur bewts, and be my baby's daddi.

I can say something funny but no need...these are all hilarious!

 

[WeaponXProject]

Originality is almost impossible to achieve ever, its the way you do it that matters. The Matrix was not original, there had been many ideas brought upon that before it as well.

Thinking how computers run....on a program. Just like humans have the program into them to mate and carry on genes. It happens, it's ******ed, and really has no purpose other then to spread. That is no different int he programming of Skynet, its simple, and may sound stupid, but that is possible how a machine like Skynet may think. He follows his programing so much he does some odd things, and interprets programing different. As humans do with many things themselves. Cameron just tried to think, if a machine was made to protect the US and saw how dangerous we are, would he interpret it differently? As many humans interpert other things different, like religion and so forth. You say it seems to easy. Sometimes the easiest answer is the most likely. Just because it is easy does not make it any less complex of a reason, or most of all , "powerful" of a reason.


What the point of that was above to say it may be easy. But sometimes the most powerful things in this world are simple. And that was the creepiness of Skynet. Just a simple thought that terminated most of humanity.


Now of course I'm not saying you are unable to believe what you believe. But every thing you have brought up I have given a rebutal that is within the films themselves. And explanations. If you still don't like how it went that is fine, to eaches own. But there is reasons why these movies are still seen by many sci-fi lovers as masterpieces.

And as for there being some "but" moments in the movie....99.99999999% of fictional stories have that. No matter what. Some just make them more believable then others.

If you wish to continue this discussion and have a PS3 I would gladly do so verbally.You seem like a very intelligent chap and these discussions have been fun. If not well this has been a fun board discussion/debate.

Solidus, you are my damn boy. You should be a public speaker or advisor. It has been a good discussion and I do love these movies. I just don't remember every detail I guess.

I understand what you mean. And we have different interpretations of somethings. I just like to crawl inside the heads of creators and question some of there ideas. No different than questioning one's own religion is how I look at it. Sometimes I want to know what the machines have in their heads as much as the soldiers, like Reese knew and explained so to Sarah, I always believed that there was more than just what Reese knew.

 

[DACrowe]

Well I finally saw it.

It was pretty solid. It was not the career redeemer that McG probably wanted or hoped for and I'm not sure if it revised the franchise. But it was damn entertaining and had moments of brilliance during its biggest action sequences (the opening one and the one beginning at the gas station and ending at the river especially). Those scenes are epic and are filled with gorgeous cinematography with a director swinging for the fence.

But there is little character development and the entire first act that doesn't have things blowing up just plods, especially when focused on John Connor. Marcus Wright's storyline was far more compelling and Sam Worthington was much better utilized than the underused Bale. But it feels like only Helena Bonham Carter got to have some fun with the acting.

Cool end sequence with Arnie. The ending felt like a cop-out at stretching the story on instead of giving any finality. Still a far better film than T3. On a side note I would like to believe that this continues from TSCC (John getting back to 2009 somehow) as this John evolving from Dekker's is far more believable than from Sthal's. Albeit, T3 was just bad all around. Though it makes no sense as Kate is here and Derek isn't. Oh well.

A solid summer movie, but not the sci-fi epic the trailer promised despite some amazing action sequences. Inferior to Star Trek and Angels & Demons but better than the crappy X-Men Origins: Wolverine movie.

I'd give it a 6.5/10 but due to its ambition I'll raise it to a 7/10, at least for now.

 

[DACrowe]

Well I finally saw it.

It was pretty solid. It was not the career redeemer that McG probably wanted or hoped for and I'm not sure if it revised the franchise. But it was damn entertaining and had moments of brilliance during its biggest action sequences (the opening one and the one beginning at the gas station and ending at the river especially). Those scenes are epic and are filled with gorgeous cinematography with a director swinging for the fence.

But there is little character development and the entire first act that doesn't have things blowing up just plods, especially when focused on John Connor. Marcus Wright's storyline was far more compelling and Sam Worthington was much better utilized than the underused Bale. But it feels like only Helena Bonham Carter got to have some fun with the acting.

Cool end sequence with Arnie. The ending felt like a cop-out at stretching the story on instead of giving any finality. Still a far better film than T3. On a side note I would like to believe that this continues from TSCC (John getting back to 2009 somehow) as this John evolving from Dekker's is far more believable than from Sthal's. Albeit, T3 was just bad all around. Though it makes no sense as Kate is here and Derek isn't. Oh well.

A solid summer movie, but not the sci-fi epic the trailer promised despite some amazing action sequences. Inferior to Star Trek and Angels & Demons but better than the crappy X-Men Origins: Wolverine movie.

I'd give it a 6.5/10 but due to its ambition I'll raise it to a 7/10, at least for now.

 

[dogwonder78]

I saw it last week and I thought it was ok. I wouldn't rank it up on the top of my "favorite movies" list, but it kept my attention.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I saw it last week and I thought it was ok. I wouldn't rank it up on the top of my "favorite movies" list, but it kept my attention.

Thats the perfect way to discribe the flick.

 

[Corpus Luteum]

The problem I had about this movie was one nagging question: What is so great about John Connor? Why is he the savior of humanity? What did he do to warrant millions of resistance bowing before him?

John Connor is nothing in this film. He's worthless. He should've died. The rewrites made this film worse than the original script. Nolan should've fleshed out Marcus and Kyle's involvement with Connor, not the other way around.

 

[Corpus Luteum]

But really, what the hell were they thinking? Use Kyle Reese as bait to kill John Connor when Skynet KNOWS he's John's father and that all it has to do to kill John is to shot Kyle in the head? WTF? What ****.

The really awful thing about it is that this one, stupid plot point is the lynchpin around which the plot of the entire movie hinges.

It's by no means the only stupid thing in the script though. I mean I love the part where Skynet just lets Marcus walk in, Marcus tells Skynet he's going to **** Skynet up, and Skynet just sort of shrugs its shoulders and takes a nap.

Stupid. So stupid. Skynet is suddenly the most ineffective, idiotic, laughable villain in movie history.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think that the orginal script was terrible.

I hate the idea that Skynet is really the good guy and I don't want somebody talking John Conner's place, so although Salvation was a mess it didn't completely rape the franchise the way a movie based on that script would have.

I disagree that this script was worse.

 

[Corpus Luteum]

That's the beauty of the original script. Skynet actually believes they are the good guys, when they are not. It's only an appearance.

No one is taking John Connor's place. They could've revised the original so that Connor's thoughts, mind, and heart were downloaded into the body of the half-human, half-hybrid machine. They could've revised it where there is a coherent plot running along with Marcus and Kyle as the main characters, except Nolan ****ed it up.

There are no main characters in this crappy film. There is no one too root for. No emotional investment or attachment to any of the characters. What a pity.

 

[Darthphere]

How about we never introduce Marcus and make the movie about John Connor the way it should have been?

 

[Corpus Luteum]

Even better. Bwahaha!

 

[Rishi]

How about we never introduce Marcus and make the movie about John Connor the way it should have been?

Genius

 

[Crook]

I think that the orginal script was terrible.

I hate the idea that Skynet is really the good guy and I don't want somebody talking John Conner's place, so although Salvation was a mess it didn't completely rape the franchise the way a movie based on that script would have.

I disagree that this script was worse.

Perhaps. Though I do believe an excellent execution of the original script would've churned out a better product than the half-assed execution of the current. Regardless of faithfulness.