Terminator: Salvation - The NEW new thread

[GhostPoet]

yet none of those are exactly like another film. AVATAR IS future Pochauntus. Plus you've said" it hasn't been done like this before." yes it has. Watch Pochauntus, thats what they did. Watch Ferngully, heck Ferngully even has the whole Avatar element. The guy shrinks instead of growing. Not to mention the dialogue is pathetic, the story is PREDICTABLE.

Ferngully was an anti-logging message. Avatar doesn't share that same message. The core idea is that a man from one race decides to join with another culture to prevent it's destruction. (and even that isn't quite what avatar is about)

Avatar isn't about the humans trying to destroy the aliens or their forest. They just want them out of the way so they can take the resources, the aliens are simply in the way.

also, can anyone point out where in Avatar there was a large creature threatening to destroy their home? Nothing? no? Then it's not like ferngully.

Basically, what i'm saying is...many films share the same theme...and those same themes can be a large part of the story...that doesn't mean they are copying each other...it just means that they chose to use that particular theme. Look how many times the theme of a nobody becoming a major hero by defeating a tyrant has been used. Many of the elements may have changed, but the theme itself does not.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Ferngully was an anti-logging message. Avatar doesn't share that same message. The core idea is that a man from one race decides to join with another culture to prevent it's destruction. (and even that isn't quite what avatar is about)

Avatar isn't about the humans trying to destroy the aliens or their forest. They just want them out of the way so they can take the resources, the aliens are simply in the way.

So the humans in FernGully aren't trying to get the other animals out of the way so they can take the resources? The trees are the resources in FernGully. They aren't just chopping down trees for the hell of it.

Avatar is very much an environmentalist movie (Cameron has said it himself), including an anti-logging message among several other core messages.

 

[weezerspider]

So the humans in FernGully aren't trying to get the other animals out of the way so they can take the resources? The trees are the resources in FernGully. They aren't just chopping down trees for the hell of it.

Avatar is very much an environmentalist movie (Cameron has said it himself), including an anti-logging message among several other core messages.

Thank You

 

[weezerspider]

You'd find that a lot of them are exactly like other films. Even D9 is like Avatar. Man has to move aliens, becomes alien, goes against human forces, repels humans, remains alien. Fundamentally, they're similar. Most thrillers, horrors, and dramas follow a pattern also. You said: Plus you've said" it hasn't been done like this before." No, I didn't, you must be confusing me for someone else. If the internet existed in the 70's, trust me, Star Wars would have been lambasted by older viewers like ourselves for being too similar to Flash or for the cliched Campbellian monomyth elements. I don't thinkLucas has been tight-lipped about his influences either, much like Dan O'Bannon.

Except District 9's core story was about racism, not to mention it was shot as a fictional documentary, not to mention the writing was solid and the dialogue was acceptable. Other than that, yes their exactly the same.

And yes, I realize if you nitpick, you can find many movies with the same 'core'. The difference is the ONLY creative things found in the story have been taken from other films. AVATAR did nothing new as far as story telling goes and was flat out bland from a story perspective.

 

[dark_b]

Except District 9's core story was about racism, not to mention it was shot as a fictional documentary, not to mention the writing was solid and the dialogue was acceptable. Other than that, yes their exactly the same.

And yes, I realize if you nitpick, you can find many movies with the same 'core'. The difference is the ONLY creative things found in the story have been taken from other films. AVATAR did nothing new as far as story telling goes and was flat out bland from a story perspective.

welll some small parts were unique and new.

 

[craigdbfan]

I love both D9 and Avatar.

I for one appreciate them for entirely different reason but enjoyed both of them a lot as a sci-fi fan.

 

[HopeOfTheFuture]

Shouldn't this topic be about Terminator Salvation instead of other movies.

 

[GhostPoet]

So the humans in FernGully aren't trying to get the other animals out of the way so they can take the resources? The trees are the resources in FernGully. They aren't just chopping down trees for the hell of it.

Avatar is very much an environmentalist movie (Cameron has said it himself), including an anti-logging message among several other core messages.

And then the giant oil creature comes out and wants to destroy everything...just because.

 

[redfirebird2008]

And then the giant oil creature comes out and wants to destroy everything...just because.

Kinda like the evil military guy in Avatar, eh?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Nope. I found it pretty bland to be honest.

To each his own I guess, but T1, T2 and Aliens are all masterpieces in their genre if you ask me.

I can understand people's criticisms of Cameron, but he at least gets you to about the characters in his movies also, they always have a sympathetic emotional core. Something Terminator Salvation didnt have.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Sam Worthington Hopes For 'Terminator Salvation' Sequel
'Avatar' star would love to work with Christian Bale and McG again.
By Josh Wigler

Arnold Schwarzenegger's signature catchphrase "I'll be back" doesn't necessarily apply to the cast and crew of "Terminator Salvation," the most recent entry in the action franchise launched by James Cameron in 1984. Following poor critical reception and a modest performance at the domestic box office, "Salvation" could certainly use some saving in the sequel department, but there's at least one person interested in going back to the future.

During a press junket for the forthcoming "Clash of the Titans," Sam Worthington told MTV News that he would be more than willing to return for another "Terminator" outing if "the story was worth telling" and if star Christian Bale and director McG were onboard as well. There's just one small problem — spoiler alert! — Worthington's character, Marcus Wright, sacrificed his life to save John Connor (Bale) at the end of the first movie. Luckily, Worthington has a solution for that tiny snafu: time travel.

Video here.

"I had an idea that we'd go back in time to when Marcus was first put in jail," the actor explained, referring to his character's status as a death-row inmate years before being turned into a machine. "They broke Linda Hamilton out of jail in ['Terminator 2: Judgment Day'], out of the nuthouse. In this one, they'd have to go back in time and break Marcus out of jail. It's the same kind of mirror image."

Worthington said his pitch wasn't embraced by the powers that be, but he still enjoys the idea of what Marcus' resurrection could mean for the franchise and for his own performance of the character.

"He would be more fallible, because he's human; he's not metallic," he said. "He can get hurt. He still has the gung-ho attitude, but he can get hurt now."

Even if time travel and terminators aren't in the busy actor's future, Worthington confessed that he would want to pursue a "Salvation" sequel for one simple reason: "I really liked playing the character a lot."

 

[maxthue]

I Actually loved the Marcus Wright character my favor since Arnold and Patrick characters

 

[Carnotaur3]

If they want to go the Marcus' resurrection route, it's easier to resurrect a machine than a human. And time travel has no place in the future war until 2029.

 

[dark_b]

whait after watching the final cut of TS he thinks that he would be in the sequel?

its not like he is the Arnold terminator that would be allways in the movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I actually liked his character as well, and wish we would have learned more about him as his history was intrigueing.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Here's an interesting read...

A blog post from last year, from one of the writers, where he talks about his experience on writing Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation.

http://johnbrancato.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-beat-twice-dead-horse.html

 

[bullets]

I Actually loved the Marcus Wright character my favor since Arnold and Patrick characters

It was a good character but why would they spend all that time trying to get him back . It also kind of defeats his sacrifice and redemption in Terminator :Salvation.

 

[lzzy]

Here's an interesting read...

A blog post from last year, from one of the writers, where he talks about his experience on writing Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation.

http://johnbrancato.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-beat-twice-dead-horse.html

Everyone's fault but his And he wrote TS because his partner needed money to build a house? And I hoped screenplays were written because the writer had a creative spark, a need to create worlds and characters.

 

[Ipodman]

They could do a spin-off for the marcus character, showing his whole life
starring sam worthington, could be a refreshing movie compared to the otherwise getting-beyond-dull Terminator franchise

 

[dark_b]

not every writting job is for art. sometimes you writte to get a paycheck to buy a car,house,....

 

[lzzy]

not every writting job is for art. sometimes you writte to get a paycheck to buy a car,house,....

Indeed, and most of the time it's the script that suffers.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Everyone's fault but his And he wrote TS because his partner needed money to build a house? And I hoped screenplays were written because the writer had a creative spark, a need to create worlds and characters.

dark_b has a point. There are (struggling) writers in hollywood who would write or rewrite scripts simpy because they need the money and/or they those projects because that can eventually result in getting more high profile work. If you ever get the chance , read this book . The way Brancato tells the story is very similar to the stories of the script writers in that book.

And just to play devil's advocate here.
Although Brancato and Ferris's ideas were at times interesting ( making JC a threat to humanity for T3 & essentially making Conner a machine in T:S) and in some cases outright stupid , overall the story that he is saying is pretty much exactly like the intial script where the info was leaked.
McG tried desperatly to distance himself from that script , using BB & Jonathan Nolan to say that he had a quality script.

I do think that if Brancato is serious about the comment of a 5th Terminator , this blog entry could be his way of telling the producers & McG to F&*K OFF.
Because after such a rant , i can't see why the same people would want to use him again for a 5th Terminator.

Also LOL @ his comment :
I've likened what I do to designing shower heads for the gas chambers-- hey, it's a job, the genocide wasn't my idea.

 

[lzzy]

dark_b has a point. There are (struggling) writers in hollywood who would write or rewrite scripts simpy because they need the money and/or they those projects because that can eventually result in getting more high profile work. If you ever get the chance , read this book . The way Brancato tells the story is very similar to the stories of the script writers in that book.

The thing is, despite their lackadasial scripts, F&B are quite profilic. I wouldn't call them struggling.

Also LOL @ his comment :
I've likened what I do to designing shower heads for the gas chambers-- hey, it's a job, the genocide wasn't my idea.

Like the contractors working on the Death Star? t: (Clerks)

 

[matrix_ghost]

The thing is, despite their lackadasial scripts, F&B are quite profilic. I wouldn't call them struggling.

True. But if there is one thing writers hate it's when THEIR script is rewritten.
Part because it's their ideas that ultimately wind up getting used or ditched.
Part because of WGA regulations the writers which have had the "most" input in the script wind up in the credits. Unfortuntely that "most input" can differ greatly which means that another writer could change elements of the original script to such an extent that the rewritten script , while following the storyline of the original script , can suffer greatly ( turning it from a okay to a downright sucky script). The writer who rewrote scenes wouldn't be mentioned in the credits due to WGA regulations ( though will get paid) but the ones that do get mentioned in the credits wind up being responsible for a crappy script which they didn't write.
The general publuc doesn't know this and so when they see another movie being announced with those writers , they'll immediatly go "yea the movie wil suck".

Also writers like to work on scripts themselves. Look at writers of Transformers & Star Trek ( Orci & Kurtzmann). These guys are quite hated amongst hollywood writers because of their success. They are ones writing scripts for movies which then are greenlit. No other ghost writers comes on board for minor tweaks.
Although F&B are profilic , they aren't in the same league as Kurtzmann & Orci.

Last but not least i get the impression that F&B are guys who the studio goes to to write a general outline for a movie. Write a script which then is used as a starting point . Of course it'll end up being rewritten ( which can go back to what i typed above) but you can also have rewrites which improve the script.

 

[lzzy]

True. But if there is one thing writers hate it's when THEIR script is rewritten.

Last but not least i get the impression that F&B are guys who the studio goes to to write a general outline for a movie. Write a script which then is used as a starting point . Of course it'll end up being rewritten ( which can go back to what i typed above) but you can also have rewrites which improve the script.

I can't speak for say, Catwoman, but their T3 script was a rewrite of Ted Sarafian's script, which they changed dramatically, the only element staying being the antagonist's gender. With TS, the only thing changed was the third act, and mutants were removed. Thankfully, so were all of their 'humourous' moments. For them to cry foul over their Terminator movies would be fallacious.