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Is it me or is the casting terrible? The actors are too old. I have been reading Iron Man comics since issue 150ish. It has been a long time. Given his history, he should be about 26 or so years old at the time that he becomes Iron Man with the suit.

His history goes like this (I have changed some elements in italics to change the Vietnam element to something more contemporary.)

Tony Stark enters the undergraduate engineering program at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT, the mascot is the Beavers) in Cambridge, MA while only 15 years old and graduates at the top of his class. At the age of 21, he inherits his father's company, Stark Industries, after his parents are killed in a car accident. One of the first things Stark does is to buy out the company that made the faulty brakes on his parent's car and correct the mechanical problem.
**Let’s say that he makes the changes to the brakes by age 22.
While on a visit to Iraq to see how his new mini-transistors could assist the American war effort, Stark is caught in a booby trap. Captured by an Iraqiinsurgent named Omid Al-Abdullah, and dying from a piece of shrapnel lodged in his heart from the booby trap, Stark is pressed into building weapons for Omid Al-Abdullah, along with a fellow prisoner, the famed physicist Yin Sen (later called Ho Yinsen). However, Stark and Yin Sen use the workshop to secretly design and construct a suit of powered armor — an iron exoskeleton that gives Stark tremendous strength as well as other abilities — that will not only keep Stark's heart beating, but also allow him to escape. Yin Sen sacrifices himself to buy Stark time to charge the bulky suit of armor, and as Iron Man, Stark makes short work of Omid Al-Abdullah and his men. On the way back, Iron Man encounters a wounded American Air Force helicopter pilot, Jim Rhodes.
**To be a pilot in the US military you have to be a Warrant Officer or Line officer which requires a college degree. So, let’s say Rhodes is 18 when he goes to college, graduates at 21 and gets commisioned in the Air Force by 22. Training can take a year or two to get enough flying hours in to see action. That would put him at 24. Judging from the comics Tony and Jim are roughly the same age so that would mean that if Tony when to Iraq at qge 22/23 he was held captive for a year or more. I highly doubt that he and Yin bult the suit in a few months starting from scratch, although it is possible given his intellect.
Introducing himself as Stark's bodyguard, Iron Man and Rhodes manage to defend themselves against the pursuing Iraqis before making it back to American lines. On his return to the US, Stark continues to improve the armor, establishing a dual identity as the adventurer and superhero Iron Man. He also greatly expands his father's company, Stark Industries, eventually renaming it Stark International.

**So, let’s say that the whole ordeal takes Tony 2 years from the time he was captured to the time he escaped and was sent home. He would be 25ish. Note that being a pilot requires a 6 year military commitment not the normal 4 year so that means Rhodes won’t get out of the USAF until he is 28. This would mean that the upgrades and expansion of the company take a couple of years.
The cover for Iron Man is that he is Stark's bodyguard and corporate mascot.

**So, it is not out of the realm to think that Tony is 28 before he hits full swing as Iron Man. Robert Downey, Jr. is 41. So, the movie would imply that he beomes a superhero at the young age of 41?! !@#$% It took him from age 21 when he got the company to 41 to make a suit. WTF?! Terrance Howard is 37. So he nearly spends an entire professional career in the USAF, in truth, in the comics, he was probably out by age 29.

Hollywood just screws everything up….


Check out his different armors.
http://www.ironmanarmory.com/armors.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man's_armor

The only one they left out was the Hulkbuster Armor
 
Are you saying that Robert Downey Jr, who has won OSCARS and is a respected actor in the business, is a bad choice because he's a little old?

He doesn't even look 41.
 
There will be people who don't like anyone who is cast, if Tom Cruise had been cast, then we would see threads about how short he is or how he looks nothing like Stark, you can't make everyone happy.
Personally, I like the choices of Robert and Terrence, both are talented actors who believe in the roles they were cast for, especially Robert so, as I've said from the moment Robert was cast, give him a chance.
 
I'm not a fan of Downey as IM, but Stark should not have been a 20-something in the film, either. Early-to-mid-thirties would've been perfect.

Downey doesn't look 41, he looks 45-48. Not to criticize, but his earlier life choices have aged him.
 
Tom Welling is what, like 31? He plays a 18 year old on Smallville and does a (for the most part) fine job.
 
I don't mind seeing a guy in his 40s play a superhero. It's kind of refreshing after seeing someone who's way too young like Brandon Routh play Superman.
 
Hey.

Quit holdin' the Downey man down...ey...

He rocks your mothers' socks off everyday so pay some respect.

He'll do Ironman justice.
 
Hollywood has been annoying me like Hell in the 90s by casting too young. I'm won't whine because they cast older people, actor that actualy can carry a movie. I always saw Tony Stark as this tough businessman, not as some young punk inventor whatever.
 
Michael Keaton was a tad older when he became the Bat. The X-Men were kids, Spider-Man was a kid, etc. We're not doing Iron Man Begins(well, we are, but he wasn't a kid when he started.)
 
Thank You! I totally agree with you Blackbyrd. Robert Downey Jr. was a complete mistake for Tony Stark/Iron Man, and it seem's that everywhere I go people are just excepting it because...what, he is an Oscar nominated actor??? So what?! Halle Berry won a freakin' Oscar and she still sucked as Storm!
The age is a big problem for me. I mean what is with Marvel casting so old with everything? X-men anyone? Come on, they were all like in their forty's!
Now this! We have to remember that these movies become huge. They go on to make sequel after sequel so it only makes sense to get younger actors so we don't got no sixty-something Iron Man trying to save the world!
But that's not just it. Look at the character, the story. It just doesn't seem as tragic to have Tony get the shrapnel when he's already lived half his life. It also makes the playboy aspect seem more like a midlife crisis.
How I saw Tony (And this could just be me.) was inheriting the company at age 21 (Duh-we all know that.) working on the company, coming into his own, making it with the government, blah, blah, blah, and having got captured by...say 25. And let's face it Comic book characters don't age. They can't age. They have their set, assumed ages. Tony, for me, is about 28.
It makes his story more (To repeat myself) more tragic. Here he is taken down in his prime, such a bright future ahead of him, so much to live for, the world at his finger tips, all that could be taken away *snap* in a moment.
I could really get into this- I really like the sound of my own typing- but I'll spare you my dramatic retelling of the Golden Avenger and just say that I do not like this casting choice...I also don't care for Terrence Howard as Rhodes (DiamondBack Perfact!) ether, but I digress.
I have nothing against older actors. I have nothing against older people, IF they are right for the role. Robert Downey Jr is not Tony Stark. Robert Downey Jr is not Iron Man.

 
^He was never that young when he was captured. He was in his mid to late 30's at the latest.
 
I thought this had died down,i'm unconvinced but willing to be convinced that RDJ is right for Stark,i'll wait for a trailer to pass any further judgement
 
Banshee's Pod said:
Thank You! I totally agree with you Blackbyrd. Robert Downey Jr. was a complete mistake for Tony Stark/Iron Man, and it seem's that everywhere I go people are just excepting it because...what, he is an Oscar nominated actor??? So what?! Halle Berry won a freakin' Oscar and she still sucked as Storm!
The age is a big problem for me. I mean what is with Marvel casting so old with everything? X-men anyone? Come on, they were all like in their forty's!
Now this! We have to remember that these movies become huge. They go on to make sequel after sequel so it only makes sense to get younger actors so we don't got no sixty-something Iron Man trying to save the world!
But that's not just it. Look at the character, the story. It just doesn't seem as tragic to have Tony get the shrapnel when he's already lived half his life. It also makes the playboy aspect seem more like a midlife crisis.
How I saw Tony (And this could just be me.) was inheriting the company at age 21 (Duh-we all know that.) working on the company, coming into his own, making it with the government, blah, blah, blah, and having got captured by...say 25. And let's face it Comic book characters don't age. They can't age. They have their set, assumed ages. Tony, for me, is about 28.
It makes his story more (To repeat myself) more tragic. Here he is taken down in his prime, such a bright future ahead of him, so much to live for, the world at his finger tips, all that could be taken away *snap* in a moment.
I could really get into this- I really like the sound of my own typing- but I'll spare you my dramatic retelling of the Golden Avenger and just say that I do not like this casting choice...I also don't care for Terrence Howard as Rhodes (DiamondBack Perfact!) ether, but I digress.
I have nothing against older actors. I have nothing against older people, IF they are right for the role. Robert Downey Jr is not Tony Stark. Robert Downey Jr is not Iron Man.

sorry but most superheros was created thirthy or mid tirthy (exept spider man an human torch and cap america because cap was 20 in 1941) made by thirty and mid tirthy creator. By the way they created character in early 60 with a clark gable look because stan lee and don heck want him to look like clark gable
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However you think the story should be, it isn't given factual information about military service, his control of Stark by 21, he genius intellect, etc. If he is smart enough to run a Fortune 500 by 21, don't you think he'd have gov contracts sewn up some 3 years later. By assuming he was in his thirties, it takes him 10 years to get Stark to the forefront being a genius and wunderkind. It doesn't add up. As for Oscar winning RDJ, who cares, some of the most popular movies ever did not have Oscar winners and the acting was fine and in truth, people loved it more. Name the last 10 best pictures. Most people don't remember. Now name your favorite big budgets films and people will name the usual suspects. Star Wars, LOTR, Indy Jones, etc...blah, blah. Hollywood has screwed up just about every character that I grew up with in comics reading for roughly 228 years or so.

I am not a DC comics fan but Batman Begins remains the best comic movie ever. For the record, my favorite character of all time is Spidey. Tobey was fine but the casting for everyone else has been horrible. Topher Grace is Eddie Brock. Does Topher look 6'3" and 260lbs. Part of the allure of these characters is not just the attitudes or powers but their personas. The ting that makes Wolverine so cool is that he is so little and will fight the biggest guy no matter what. Take the visual, 5'3" Wolverine looking up at Juggernaut and saying, "bring it." It is why everyone loves Yoda, he is so little and old and will take anyone down. As a side, when they remake Star Wars in 100 years and make Yoda 6' and purple, I think we all agree that isn't Yoda.

As for an assumed age. Spidey was a soph in high school when he got the powers, the 5 original X-Men were in HS, Torch and Sue Storm were in HS and college. Mr. Fantastic was in his PhD program when he met Sue when she was 14. He met her ecause he was living in her aunt's place as a renter or something. He is about 10 years older than her.

These are not the characters I know. They are cheap knock offs.

Superman's presumed age in most stories is 32 years old. Routh is like 27. Not that big a leap in age so not a big deal. That is a far cry from being about 25 when you get your suit to casting someone who is 41 but looks 50 because of all hte drugs he has done (Yes, RDJ is a druggie). No one ever said he was a bad actor.
 
Amen to that!
Fine, whether or not you believe Stark's in his thirty's, twenties, whatever. The point remains that Robert Downey Jr. just doesn't convince me as Iron Man. I read the comics? I know the character? I've Compared the pictures. It just doesn't work for me.
Not to mention all I keep seeing is Robert Downey Jr.'s head on the cockroach body doing that thing with his tongue from A Scanner Darkly. Tony Stark? *sigh* :cwink: (LOL)
Also, just to argue my point of view; Tony is a freakin' genies. He inherited his father's company when he was 21. He went to freaggin' MIT when he was 15! You can't tell me that it took him that long to get his company on track and in charge. He did everything up to that point at an exceptional young age, why not have gotten the shrapnel?
I ain't knockin' anyone else's theory's, but for me Stark can't, or at least shouldn't, be any older then 32...at the most.
I also like what you said Blackbyrd, and would like to reiterate: No one said that Robert Downey Jr. was a bad actor, he just isn't Iron Man.
 
Tony Stark needs to look like a mature adult for him to be a believable successful businessman, his powers come from a suit so his physical health isn't really that important. He has a heart disease too, you know.
 
Yeah it's terrible casting because Robert Downey is not young. lol.
 
Terry, I don't care what Forbes says. Truth is that is where Iron man is now not where he started.

I think we can all agree that when he took over the company at age 21, he was not worth $3billion.

I think we can also agree that most of the Marvel characters have aged over the years and are now at their fixed ages.

Spiderman was bitten by a Spider as a sophomore in HS. We all know he graduated (let's say 18). He went to Empire State University and got a bachelor's and a Master's, so age 23. I'm not sure if he finished school part time which would even make him older, which proves that Marvel characters age to a point.

The 5 original X-Men were HS age when they met Xavier. I think we can all agree that Cyke, Beast, Jean, Iceman, and Angel are no longer in high school.

As for being middle age when you establish a business and become successful, that is just crap. Does anyone remember the .com explosion.
Google
Monster.com
Amazon

These companies among others were all started by guys in their 20's. So enough about Tony being middle age.

Oh yeah, I can see it now, by Iron Man III, RDJ will be 60. Really cool. Not.

As for Bale, I think that in real life, he can make a couple more movies before he starts to look silly as a 40 year old wearing a rubber suit.

Reread the previous analysis, Tony was in his 20's when he made his first suit. As far as his looks, he only looks older because that is how people dressed. Go look in the 40's, people looked older because they dressed older. Wearing a fedora and suit and having facial hair doesn't make you middle aged. It is the style of the times. During Prohibition FBI Agents all wore fedoras but many were in their 20's. Do you honestly think RDJ will have that cheesy mustache in 2007? No way, it won't translate to present day.

What will make this movie great is how well they keep it based in reality a la Batman Begins.

Hollywood screwed up this casting. Without question.
 
Tony only being a believable business man if he were in his forties doesn't work for me. That's his niche right? He's a genius! He got the company at the age of 21! For him to be in his forties he would be just another business man not Tony Stark. He's not just famous for being Iron Man. :word:

Also the thread topic is about the casting job of Robert Downey Jr. for Tony Stark, not Tony's age- Don't get me wrong I like the debate we have going here-and the age came up as a reason for not liking the casting, but I have yet to hear anyone tell me why they think Robert Downey Jr. can play Iron Man.
 
It's not a terrible choice at all!

who says the middle-eastern incident won't be a flashback sequence, like in Batman Begins, when they kept flashing back to the trial, him becoming a thief, and meeting Ra's

Middle-east - old clunky armor
flash foward a couple of years, updated armor
flash foward to present - modern armor.

If they can make Tom Cruise look like he's in his late 20s early 30s for MI:3 I'm pretty sure they can make RDJ look 35. (look up pictures of Cruise without Hollywood makeup, the guy looks pretty tore up)
 
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Tony Stark is not a spring chicken. I think it works to his advantage to look a little weary and worn yet still put that suit on everytime the world needs saving.
 

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