'That was our kiss!!!!' Query?

when the hype cleans up its system it kills old members that haven't posted here in a while so after every couple of months you get some lucky and spot some voids in usernames.
 
Good spot of info there from Rain ;)

I've always felt lucky to be able to get my name before somebody else nabbed it. :D
 
Peter always got love from New York. We've seen that in all 3 movies. It was only the Bugle that derided him.

Is that why in sm2 peter distintivel states that Jonah had turned the whole city against him? Some people will obviously love spider-man but NY as a whole didn't like him because of the infamous JJ campaign.
 
Is that why in sm2 peter distintivel states that Jonah had turned the whole city against him? Some people will obviously love spider-man but NY as a whole didn't like him because of the infamous JJ campaign.

He says it but we see no evidence of that.
 
He says it but we see no evidence of that.

Thats true but I suppose the only time people showed gratitude was when spidey saved them from harm. I mean for arguments sake, if satan himself saved me from a gun shot, falling debris or a car about to drop on my head, I'd have the decency to at least say, thanks. I think collectively NY had reservations about spider-man but it would have been more effective if the movies actually showed some disdain from the people towards spidey at certain times.
 
Thats true but I suppose the only time people showed gratitude was when spidey saved them from harm. I mean for arguments sake, if satan himself saved me from a gun shot, falling debris or a car about to drop on my head, I'd have the decency to at least say, thanks. I think collectively NY had reservations about spider-man but it would have been more effective if the movies actually showed some disdain from the people towards spidey at certain times.

Exactly. The reactions we've seen from New Yorkers have either been indifference or praise, and you'd think Raimi would try and balance out the latter. "Go Spidey Go!", "You mess with him, you mess with all of us!" "Yay Spider-Man!!" :mcbarf:
 
Thats true but I suppose the only time people showed gratitude was when spidey saved them from harm. I mean for arguments sake, if satan himself saved me from a gun shot, falling debris or a car about to drop on my head, I'd have the decency to at least say, thanks. I think collectively NY had reservations about spider-man but it would have been more effective if the movies actually showed some disdain from the people towards spidey at certain times.

Yeah, now that you mention it, Peter saying "You've turned the whole city against him", and then the city showing nothing but love for Spider-Man ... is a little confoosing.
 
Well in the first you did have people saying they don't like him. The cops tried to arrest him in a cheesy scene in SM1 (freaking David Koepp), Aunt May not wanting to talk about that dreadful man and there is my favorite line in SM2 "Woah! He stole that guy's pizzas!!!!!"

But yeah all the people Spidey saves cheered him on in the first two. Crazy.

Also by the time Spidey reappears at the beginning of the third act of SM2, it became apparent the city needed him and approved of his return.
 
if MJ was meant to be someone you cant stand...they should've at least made her a HOT someone you cant stand..

but no.....

just trash
 
if MJ was meant to be someone you cant stand...they should've at least made her a HOT someone you cant stand..

but no.....

just trash


:cwink: :up:

She just didn't have any saving grace.
 
No as I said in my post, which you clearly couldn't have read properply to draw this conclusion. I repeatitaly said her behaviour was wrong but you could understand it, Peter's you couldn't understand. People can say that it was just for publicity but in reality it was because he wanted to kiss a girl he fancied and get away with it.

Right. so than AGAIN- according to your thinking MJ is right and Peter is wrong. Or at least MORE WRONG. And no, MJ's behavior isn't understandable. She has a pattern of cheating on guys when she becomes dissatisified with the relationship instead of being strong and telling the guy what's on her mind. It might be understandable if she did it once, with Harry. But she does it over and over. She doesn't learn from her mistakes. She doesn't even acknowledge them as mistakes.

And no- Peter wasn't trying to get a kiss off a girl he "fancied". He clearly didn't care about Gwen as anything other than a friend. He wasn't thinking about her or the kiss. His every thought (curiously enough) was of MJ.

See this is the problem, people only look at it from Peter's point of view, if he is always out saving people how can he be there for her? It's like saying I'd loved to listen to you MJ but there's a complete stranger I've never met on the other side of town, they're more important than you

Okay.... I see where your sentiment is coming from. You actually think listening to MJ ***** about her career is more important than saving someone's life. And you seem to forget that Peter IS there for her. He was there front row for her opening. He spent the rest of the night, not on patrol, but with her sharing in her moment and making her feel good about herself. Alot more than can be said for MJ. When Peter needed her she acted as always like a self-centered cow. Instead of telling Peter "not to do anything stupid" she should've just held him and told him how much good he's done and not to let his anger damage that (And I'm saying in a NICE WAY). She should've done anything she could to calm him down, including, yes, screwing him. Because she's supposed to know that Peter's better self wouldn't kill a man in cold blood. Funny that Aunt May, who didn't know Peter was Spider-Man seemed to be more sure of that than MJ.

Why should she talk to Harry, he was an *******, **** him. John she could've talked to and it was wrong of her to not have and Peter was never there.

As the Vile one said she did this all the time in the comics as well.

She should have told Harry she wasn't happy, he wasn't treating her right and if he wanted to keep seeing her, he'd better step it up. That's what a strong, intelligent adult would do.

She wouldn't have accepted John's proposal in the first place, as she was only doing it to spite Peter. But after she did and realized she was unsure about things she should have told John before she went to see Peter. Then, after Ock's defeat, she could have told John then that she really didn't love him. What does she do? Abandon and embarrass him in front of his assembled friends and family without as much as a goodbye.

Then she lies to Peter about what's bothering her, and for no good reason. You think a guy who has survived all that Spidey has couldn't put on a happy face (And you can't even see his face) for a short ceremony if MJ had told him about her being fired? Hell, it's only being fired- it isn't as if she had to tell him she had inoperable cancer.

And her doing all of this in the comics is immaterial. As weve seen, things can change from comic book page to screen.

I'm not saying MJ should be perfect. The stories would be boring if she was. But she should be at least likeable, and in Peter's case, loveable. As I keep saying, I really don't know why Peter loves this girl, aside from his childhood crush. Gwen, as always- is the chick for Peter Parker.
 
Right. so than AGAIN- according to your thinking MJ is right and Peter is wrong. Or at least MORE WRONG. And no, MJ's behavior isn't understandable. She has a pattern of cheating on guys when she becomes dissatisified with the relationship instead of being strong and telling the guy what's on her mind. It might be understandable if she did it once, with Harry. But she does it over and over. She doesn't learn from her mistakes. She doesn't even acknowledge them as mistakes.

And no- Peter wasn't trying to get a kiss off a girl he "fancied". He clearly didn't care about Gwen as anything other than a friend. He wasn't thinking about her or the kiss. His every thought (curiously enough) was of MJ.



Okay.... I see where your sentiment is coming from. You actually think listening to MJ ***** about her career is more important than saving someone's life. And you seem to forget that Peter IS there for her. He was there front row for her opening. He spent the rest of the night, not on patrol, but with her sharing in her moment and making her feel good about herself. Alot more than can be said for MJ. When Peter needed her she acted as always like a self-centered cow. Instead of telling Peter "not to do anything stupid" she should've just held him and told him how much good he's done and not to let his anger damage that (And I'm saying in a NICE WAY). She should've done anything she could to calm him down, including, yes, screwing him. Because she's supposed to know that Peter's better self wouldn't kill a man in cold blood. Funny that Aunt May, who didn't know Peter was Spider-Man seemed to be more sure of that than MJ.



She should have told Harry she wasn't happy, he wasn't treating her right and if he wanted to keep seeing her, he'd better step it up. That's what a strong, intelligent adult would do.

She wouldn't have accepted John's proposal in the first place, as she was only doing it to spite Peter. But after she did and realized she was unsure about things she should have told John before she went to see Peter. Then, after Ock's defeat, she could have told John then that she really didn't love him. What does she do? Abandon and embarrass him in front of his assembled friends and family without as much as a goodbye.

Then she lies to Peter about what's bothering her, and for no good reason. You think a guy who has survived all that Spidey has couldn't put on a happy face (And you can't even see his face) for a short ceremony if MJ had told him about her being fired? Hell, it's only being fired- it isn't as if she had to tell him she had inoperable cancer.

And her doing all of this in the comics is immaterial. As weve seen, things can change from comic book page to screen.

I'm not saying MJ should be perfect. The stories would be boring if she was. But she should be at least likeable, and in Peter's case, loveable. As I keep saying, I really don't know why Peter loves this girl, aside from his childhood crush. Gwen, as always- is the chick for Peter Parker.

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Dragon, we've done this dance on more htan one occasion so I won't get into it. But I did notice that nice little jab at the end of your post. We're always going to disagree. I don't think Peter was ever about one girl in the comics. But MJ is the closest that's been true for. Not the dull lifeless Gwen Stacy.

Just kidding. :p

But I do seriously disagree that Gwen is a better fit. At least from a creative point of view.
 
Dragon, we've done this dance on more htan one occasion so I won't get into it. But I did notice that nice little jab at the end of your post. We're always going to disagree. I don't think Peter was ever about one girl in the comics. But MJ is the closest that's been true for. Not the dull lifeless Gwen Stacy.

Just kidding. :p

But I do seriously disagree that Gwen is a better fit. At least from a creative point of view.
It's hard to be a better fit creatively when they're dead.
 
Dragon, we've done this dance on more htan one occasion so I won't get into it. But I did notice that nice little jab at the end of your post. We're always going to disagree. I don't think Peter was ever about one girl in the comics. But MJ is the closest that's been true for. Not the dull lifeless Gwen Stacy.

Just kidding. :p

But I do seriously disagree that Gwen is a better fit. At least from a creative point of view.

Your post is ironic on more than one level. Cause if Gwen is dull and lifeless, what does that say about MJ whose been in her shadow for the last 34 years?

Moreover, the rumormill suggests that Gwen and MJ might be swirching places in the near future....

Creatively is where Gwen is far better. Gwen can generate Spider-Man stories. MJ has only generated soap opera.

And as far as Spidey 3, given the choice between MJ and Gwen, even you can't deny Gwen was definitely the more vibrant, exciting and sweeter of the two.
 
Your post is ironic on more than one level. Cause if Gwen is dull and lifeless, what does that say about MJ whose been in her shadow for the last 34 years?

Moreover, the rumormill suggests that Gwen and MJ might be swirching places in the near future....

Creatively is where Gwen is far better. Gwen can generate Spider-Man stories. MJ has only generated soap opera.

And as far as Spidey 3, given the choice between MJ and Gwen, even you can't deny Gwen was definitely the more vibrant, exciting and sweeter of the two.

But we are not Peter Parker, are we :whatever:

It would be stupid to dump MJ at this point...your opportunity to get rid of her is gone, now doing so would feel cheap.

My opinion of course.
 
Your post is ironic on more than one level. Cause if Gwen is dull and lifeless, what does that say about MJ whose been in her shadow for the last 34 years?
MJ's still standing.

Moreover, the rumormill suggests that Gwen and MJ might be swirching places in the near future....
That would be stupid.

Creatively is where Gwen is far better. Gwen can generate Spider-Man stories. MJ has only generated soap opera.
How exactly does Gwen generate Spider-Man stories?

And as far as Spidey 3, given the choice between MJ and Gwen, even you can't deny Gwen was definitely the more vibrant, exciting and sweeter of the two.
You determined this from a character who had less than 10 minutes of screen time?
 
But we are not Peter Parker, are we :whatever:

It would be stupid to dump MJ at this point...your opportunity to get rid of her is gone, now doing so would feel cheap.

My opinion of course.

Not at all. A story could easily be structured around her departure. The seeds were certainly planted in Spidey 3.

And in a way we are Peter. Or at least we're meant to be connected with him.
 
MJ's still standing.

For now. But it's clear that Marvel's creative staff have had their fill of her and the marriage.


That would be stupid.

Just because you think it is?


How exactly does Gwen generate Spider-Man stories?

Gwen has more level Spider-Man drama attached to her.

She has an interest in science. So she and Peter could have conversations about things other than sex and small talk.

Her dad was a cop. So his career would have generated enemies and intrigue that could come back to haunt Gwen, and thus Peter.

She has a mostly unknown past. We don't know who her mother was or what happened to her. More potential Spidey action.

Gwen's probable career paths, in either the sciences or law enforcement create story possiblities and action that MJ's acting/modeling career never could.

You determined this from a character who had less than 10 minutes of screen time?

I determined it in just the restaurant scene. Gwen was more attractive and sexy there than MJ in all three films combined.

The sentiment for MJ is really just because she's been around for so long. Not because of anything she's actually done. But of course that's my opinion.
 
Just because you think it is?

Now there's a thing that annoys me about this board. You have to say "I think" that would be stupid, or "IMO" that would be stupid. You can't just say that would be stupid. Why must the person actually state that it's only his opinion? I mean, of COURSE it's not a fact. Whether something is stupid or not cannot be deemed as an objective fact. So why can't people just take it as what it is, an opinion, and not keep saying "that's your opinion". YES, it IS. Now, of course, if somebody starts saying things like "well most people think", when they don't, or you have no evidence that they do, that's generalising your opinion onto other people. But that's the exception. Otherwise, if someone just says something like "that's stupid", or "that would be totally unrealistic", they're just stating THEIR OPINION.
 
Now there's a thing that annoys me about this board. You have to say "I think" that would be stupid, or "IMO" that would be stupid. You can't just say that would be stupid. Why must the person actually state that it's only his opinion? I mean, of COURSE it's not a fact. Whether something is stupid or not cannot be deemed as an objective fact. So why can't people just take it as what it is, an opinion, and not keep saying "that's your opinion". YES, it IS. Now, of course, if somebody starts saying things like "well most people think", when they don't, or you have no evidence that they do, that's generalising your opinion onto other people. But that's the exception. Otherwise, if someone just says something like "that's stupid", or "that would be totally unrealistic", they're just stating THEIR OPINION.

Well, while that was a nice instruction on posting etiquette, my point wasn't whether or not Dr. Fate was expressing his opinion. My point was that he didn't back up his statement with any reasons why it was "stupid" or why the concept wouldn't work. It appeared he was dismissing the idea without considering the possibilities.

But thanks for your participation.
 
Not at all. A story could easily be structured around her departure. The seeds were certainly planted in Spidey 3.

And in a way we are Peter. Or at least we're meant to be connected with him.

We do connect with him. We see he loves MJ. That is the connection we are supposed to make. SM3 does not steer you toward wanting him to go with Gwen (or at least, that is not what Raimi was intending to do).
 

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