'That was our kiss!!!!' Query?

[Abaddon]

I think Pete was out of line.

 

[November Rain]

Quite presumptiuous.

I said 'any' dude...

it would be presumptious to simply assume she hadn't. I was merely covering myself

 

[November Rain]

Absolutely. I can see the arguments about 'Well, she kissed John in that way, too', and 'It was just a publicity stunt', but despite that, it shows just how out of touch Peter was with her feelings. As much as he supposedly loves her, he is so blind to her needs in the relationship that I completely understand her anger.

peter didn't kiss another woman, spiderman did.

In this instant, there are separate entities, similar to a role MJ would be playing in a play. Any action he performs under this guise publically shouldn't be representative of Parker himself.

 

[Eggyman]

Cool thread rain.

I agree that MJ has been rather loose in these films -- the white wedding dress was a joke in SM2, it should've been black (or at least red). The kiss between 'Spidey' and Gwen meant nothing, MJ should know this, not just because of her being an actress but also because she knows that Pete is a good guy and wouldn't do something to hurt her on purpose.

MJ annoyed me more than usual in this film -- I'm not gonna flame Dunst about this, it is obviously the direction she has been given (although her skills as MJ have been mixed . . . IMO) -- acting like a spoilt lil beyatch when she has a problem, and all Pete was trying to do was show her a little bit of empathy . . . but the ginger slapper threw it in his face. This made it very hard for me to feel sorry for MJ when Pete hit her, half of me thought she deserved it, and the other half didn't care if she did or not.


(Sorry if this comes out garbled; I'm in the middle of work with my boss giving a team briefing *yawn*)

 

[November Rain]

The real funny thing is that the Kiss didn't really start to upset MJ UNTIL she knew that Gwen shared a class with Pete.

DOes this make her reaction to it more or less justified?

 

[Eggyman]

I think it kinda makes it a bit more understandable. If it was just a random girl off the street then it's a case of out of sight out of mind, but MJ knowing that Pete knows this girl might make the ugly ginger head of gealousy rise out of the depths (the fingernails seemed to be the final blow ha-ha).

A slight of defence on her part . . . not much though. She was portrayed in a bad way in this third instalment, I think. Like I said, I didn't have much sympathy for her in the jazz club; I thought she'd been asking for it for an hour and a half, truth be told.

Not that I condone violence to women (or to anyone).

EDIT: Honestly, that's a typo -- I meant that I don't condone violence; work distracting me from posting, so sorry. I am a pacifist . . . I am, honestly. I'm sorry

 

[shigsy2003]

Well MJ is a little bit of 'picker' for want of a better word. She goes from Flash to Harry to Spider-Man to Peter to John to Peter to Harry to Peter....she needs to make up her mind.

And no I don't think she has a right to be angry but that is women for ya! t:

 

[Dark Spidey]

Peter did not insist on the kiss. The crowd of fans did. Peter just gave the ok for Gwen to do it. It was an empty kiss. And as was already stated, MJ already used the sacred upside down kiss on John Jameson.

If she can try it on other people, then so can Peter. For her to suddenly get all upset over it was ******ed. It's like one set of rules for her, and another for Peter.

No. The crowd wanted it to happen. But Gwen hesitated. Then Peter insisted. Twice.

Okay let's get into this. Yes Mary Jane used the kiss on another guy, that she was engaged to be married to! So that's not quite the same is it. But since you bring that up, let's clarify. She actually kissed John like that to see whether it would feel the same way as it did before. Which it didn't. That's how much the kiss means to her.

Her feeling upset at the sight of her Boyfriend duplicating their first kiss with another girl was not ******ed. Especially after taking into consideration her emotional state at the time anyway. After having just been replaced in a Broadway show and not being able to talk to Peter about.

Also, I think alot of you guys are thinking about this the wrong way. I dunno, maybe you have to look at it from a girls perspective. But what MJ was really upset about. Is that seeing Peter kiss another girl like that cheapened their kiss.

Then Gwen turning up at dinner and the way she was touching Peter just complicated the matter.

 

[*ANTHONY*]

Even though that kiss was for show, MJ has a right to be angry. If my girlfriend kissed another guy at our graduation "just for show" I would be super pissed.

 

[ToriL90]

If the kiss had been a planned stunt and he told MJ about it beforehand, then it wouldn't be a problem. If he didn't already know her, it wouldn't have been AS much of a problem (still a problem, though). And, weren't Peter and MJ already having issues before the kiss with Gwen? Also makes it a bad idea. I don't think Peter was "cheating on her" really - in his mind, it probably was just a publicity stunt. But it was thoughtless and insensitive, and MJ had a right to be upset IMO.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Even though that kiss was for show, MJ has a right to be angry. If my girlfriend kissed another guy at our graduation "just for show" I would be super pissed.

And you would have every right to be.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Peter didn't mean anything of the Kiss. MJ Thought that He did the kiss because He sort of like Her. Peter was confident in Himself so He did the kiss just for the crowd. And if Peter said no then He would upset the Crowd. But Peter was thoughtless when He did it causing MJ to be mad. Him being insensitive caused Him more pain because He didn't think of MJ when He did it which is the mistake He made. He was careless when He did it.

 

[Dark Spidey]

If the kiss had been a planned stunt and he told MJ about it beforehand, then it wouldn't be a problem. If he didn't already know her, it wouldn't have been AS much of a problem (still a problem, though). And, weren't Peter and MJ already having issues before the kiss with Gwen? Also makes it a bad idea. I don't think Peter was "cheating on her" really - in his mind, it probably was just a publicity stunt. But it was thoughtless and insensitive, and MJ had a right to be upset IMO.

Oh yeah there's no doubt in my mind that Peter didn't mean any harm.

I mean there's two types of insensitvity: One where you know what you're about to do will upset someone, but still do it regardless. And another where you genuinely don't consider that what you're about to do might upset that person and so go ahead with it.

But even then that can be because of a further two factors. Either you're an just an arrogant person with no awareness to the feelings of others. Or you're just an innocent.

Seeing as we know Peter Parker is a overall nice guy. We can say with a fair amount of certainty that Peter was just being innocent here.

But that doesn't mean Mary Jane isn't entitled to be upset.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Peter didn't mean anything of the Kiss. MJ Thought that He did the kiss because He sort of like Her.

In my opinion. At this stage. She just walked off because she thought Peter kissing Gwen cheapens their kiss. She doesn't think there's anything between him and Gwen until the resturant scene.

Peter was confident in Himself so He did the kiss just for the crowd. And if Peter said no then He would upset the Crowd. He probably didn't think MJ would think of it as a love Kiss. And Peter probably didn't think of the upside Kiss him and MJ had.

Which is still insensitive of him don't you think? Even if innocently so.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Oh! Double post.

 

[The Joker]

No. The crowd wanted it to happen. But Gwen hesitated. Then Peter insisted. Twice.

Gwen did not hesitate. When Spidey said go ahead, she said "Really?", and he said "Oh yeah, they'll love it".

That is not insisting that she do it. That's just clarifying that it's ok for her to do it. He didn't tell her to do it twice.

Okay let's get into this. Yes Mary Jane used the kiss on another guy, that she was engaged to be married to! So that's not quite the same is it. But since you bring that up, let's clarify. She actually kissed John like that to see whether it would feel the same way as it did before. Which it didn't. That's how much the kiss means to her.

And that's exactly the point right there. MJ used the kiss on a guy she didn't even love, a guy she was using as second prize or a security blanket. Someone she was using.

If she needs to kiss someone upside down to know if she loves them or not, then she's dumber than I gave her credit for.

Her feeling upset at the sight of her Boyfriend duplicating their first kiss with another girl was not ******ed.

Yes, it is. Because it was a meaningless kiss. A publicity stunt on stage.

Especially after taking into consideration her emotional state at the time anyway. After having just been replaced in a Broadway show and not being able to talk to Peter about.

You mean refusing to talk to Peter about it. She can tell Harry but not Peter. Peter had been nothing but supportive to her.

She on the other hand, was actually jealous of him getting some gratitude and recognition from the city. Further testament to her ridiculous immaturity.

Also, I think alot of you guys are thinking about this the wrong way. I dunno, maybe you have to look at it from a girls perspective. But what MJ was really upset about. Is that seeing Peter kiss another girl like that cheapened their kiss.

Oh, but it's ok for her to use it on the guy she doesn't even love to test the waters, before she goes and tries to get with another guy while still engaged to John?

Yep, one set of rules for MJ, another for Peter.

Then Gwen turning up at dinner and the way she was touching Peter just complicated the matter.

She put her hand on his shoulder. Jesus Christ!!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

In my opinion. At this stage. She just walked off because she thought Peter kissing Gwen cheapens their kiss. She doesn't think there's anything between him and Gwen until the resturant scene.



Which is still insensitive of him don't you think? Even if innocently so.

Defenitley. He was thoughtless when He did it.

 

[Abaddon]

Gwen did not hesitate. When Spidey said go ahead, she said "Really?", and he said "Oh yeah, they'll love it".

That is not insisting that she do it. That's just clarifying that it's ok for her to do it. He didn't tell her to do it twice.

Oh please.

she was clearly apprehensive about doing it and he encouraged her to. That's not "clarifying"

 

[dodus]

No. The crowd wanted it to happen. But Gwen hesitated. Then Peter insisted. Twice.

Okay let's get into this. Yes Mary Jane used the kiss on another guy, that she was engaged to be married to! So that's not quite the same is it. But since you bring that up, let's clarify. She actually kissed John like that to see whether it would feel the same way as it did before. Which it didn't. That's how much the kiss means to her.

Her feeling upset at the sight of her Boyfriend duplicating their first kiss with another girl was not ******ed. Especially after taking into consideration her emotional state at the time anyway. After having just been replaced in a Broadway show and not being able to talk to Peter about.

Also, I think alot of you guys are thinking about this the wrong way. I dunno, maybe you have to look at it from a girls perspective. But what MJ was really upset about. Is that seeing Peter kiss another girl like that cheapened their kiss.

Then Gwen turning up at dinner and the way she was touching Peter just complicated the matter.

Finally, someone exercising a little reason in here!

 

[Abaddon]

peter didn't kiss another woman, spiderman did.

In this instant, there are separate entities, similar to a role MJ would be playing in a play. Any action he performs under this guise publically shouldn't be representative of Parker himself.

Peter is absolutely responsible for everything he does under either guise. He's always Peter. The fact that we see him take his mask off every fifteen minutes in these movies reflect that.

 

[TheCaptain22555]

Yeah she should be pissed. The guy did it right infront of her and its not like he had to do it.

Yep. He could've easily told Gwen to peck him on the cheek with the mask on.

 

[November Rain]

Peter is absolutely responsible for everything he does under either guise. He's always Peter. The fact that we see him take his mask off every fifteen minutes in these movies reflect that.

relunctantly i think you get me here...although i don't like admitting it.

 

[Abaddon]

well that's very big of you.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Gwen did not hesitate. When Spidey said go ahead, she said "Really?", and he said "Oh yeah, they'll love it".

That is not insisting that she do it. That's just clarifying that it's ok for her to do it. He didn't tell her to do it twice.

She doesn't go ahead and kiss him straight away does she? No. She hesitates. Only kissing him after he insists that it's okay.

"Go ahead lay one on me!" (once)

"Really?"

"Oh yeah, they'll love it." (twice)

And that's exactly the point right there. MJ used the kiss on a guy she didn't even love, a guy she was using as second prize or a security blanket. Someone she was using.

If she needs to kiss someone upside down to know if she loves them or not, then she's dumber than I gave her credit for.

She doesn't use the kiss on John to see if she loves him or not. Not to get into this discussion but in my opinion, she knows deep down that she's only kidding herself and she doesn't really love him.

But what she does use the kiss for is to see whether John can make her feel the same way she did with the original kiss. Which he doesn't. Because he's not the same person she shared that very special kiss with.

So my point is. It's because she tries the kiss with John that it has even more meaning for her. Because she now associates that kiss with a unique feeling that only Peter gave her.

Yes, it is. Because it was a meaningless kiss. A publicity stunt on stage.

Yeah, exactly, meaningless. MJ seeing Peter kiss another girl like that without any thought only cheapens their kiss.

You mean refusing to talk to Peter about it. She can tell Harry but not Peter. Peter had been nothing but supportive to her.

There was certainly a beakdown in communication between the two. But Peter had put her in an awkward position. Before she can tell him about getting fired from the show, he tells her that they'll both be laughing about that review the next day. This creates an embarrassing situation for her. Then before she can think about telling him anyway, he has to go. Then Harry arrives.

She on the other hand, was actually jealous of him getting some gratitude and recognition from the city. Further testament to her ridiculous immaturity.

If she was jealous, i'd say it was only for a fleeting moment where she walks out of the theatre, having just got fired from the show, to the sound of applause, only to see it's really for Spider-Man.

Then at the parade she actually tells Peter she's proud of him. And when Gwen is talking about Spider-Man saying how selfless he is and stuff, MJ actually nods (although subtly) in agreement.

Oh, but it's ok for her to use it on the guy she doesn't even love to test the waters, before she goes and tries to get with another guy while still engaged to John?

Yep, one set of rules for MJ, another for Peter.

No. One set of circumstances for MJ, another for Peter.

She put her hand on his shoulder. Jesus Christ!!

Yeah and in my opinion, it was a bit too much. Peter even looked slightly uncomfortable with it to me. But you have to take into account the context of which this happening. This is the girl that Peter just cheapened their kiss with. Then MJ finds out that Peter spends a fair amount of time with this girl on a regular basis. Which only further compounds the misunderstanding.

 

[*ANTHONY*]

Honestly, the conclusion is MJ has a right to be angry. Spider-Man/Peter didn't think she would be so therefore he is innocent. The only time I truely felt MJ's pain was in the restaurant. I honestly felt like it looked like Gwen was having an affair. We only know he wasn't because we are the viewers. But MJ must have thought she was losing her mind.