Homecoming The Amazing Spider-Man 3 General Discussion - Part 2

[Spider-knight]

People keep bringing up "Peter rejecting MJ". First of all, didn't that already happen in SM1?

Second of all, MJ shouldn't be sitting around lusting after Peter. She's not that type of girl.

Maybe you could have some playful banter between them initially, but at this point, neither of them should be looking for love or to be seriously involved with the other. Forge some type of bond or close friendship between them. Show the audience that Peter and MJ are ,in many ways, kindred spirits, then have them develop complex feelings for one another (that neither one realizes or is ready/willing to admit.) Show Peter struggling to come to terms with how he feels about MJ after losing Gwen like he does in issues #145-149 (maybe he even goes to the bridge to talk to Gwen and ask for approval, if they don't attempt the clone saga), while MJ is struggling to come to terms with how she feels about Peter like she does in issue #131 because of all of the crap that she's been through in her life. Show them both overcoming these hurdles and learning (teaching each other how) to love again.

We're not saying she should list over Peter. We're saying that if MJ confesses to Peter he would reject her. Also it doesn't matter if its done before on the first movie. Peter's double life is a mess so we expect something like this to happen especially if MJ is the potential love interest.

But anyway I love that idea of yours and hope we can see a development and character study of that happening

 

[harryoscop]

People keep bringing up "Peter rejecting MJ". First of all, didn't that already happen in SM1?

Second of all, MJ shouldn't be sitting around lusting after Peter. She's not that type of girl.

Maybe you could have some playful banter between them initially, but at this point, neither of them should be looking for love or to be seriously involved with the other. Forge some type of bond or close friendship between them. Show the audience that Peter and MJ are ,in many ways, kindred spirits, then have them develop complex feelings for one another (that neither one realizes or is ready/willing to admit.) Show Peter struggling to come to terms with how he feels about MJ after losing Gwen like he does in issues #145-149 (maybe he even goes to the bridge to talk to Gwen and ask for approval, if they don't attempt the clone saga), while MJ is struggling to come to terms with how she feels about Peter like she does in issue #131 because of all of the crap that she's been through in her life. Show them both overcoming these hurdles and learning (teaching each other how) to love again.

I LIKE THIS!

 

[sl500jazz]

We're not saying she should list over Peter. We're saying that if MJ confesses to Peter he would reject her. Also it doesn't matter if its done before on the first movie. Peter's double life is a mess so we expect something like this to happen especially if MJ is the potential love interest.

But anyway I love that idea of yours and hope we can see a development and character study of that happening

Thanks.

I disagree about it not mattering. It does matter if it's been done before. No one wants to see the same scene played all over again even if the context was changed.

My point is: he wouldn't reject her because there'd be nothing to reject. She wouldn't chase after him. This is a scenario in which both individuals are rejecting love based on their similarly tragic experiences. They've both lived parallel lives.

Peter will definitely be feeling guilt about loving someone else, but he'll also realize the error in his ways. He'll realize that he needs to move on in regards to all aspects of his personal life including his love life. Meanwhile, MJ comes to her own revelations about love.

As for Peter's double life: Hopefully, he'll do his best to keep that secret and won't be telling MJ anytime soon. He's already seen the ramifications of that. She'll should find out on her own.

I LIKE THIS!

Agreed.

No one knows MJ better than you do.

Aw, thanks!

 

[Spider-knight]

Thanks.

I disagree about it not mattering. It does matter if it's been done before. No one wants to see the same scene played all over again even if the context was changed.

My point is: he wouldn't reject her because there'd be nothing to reject. She wouldn't chase after him. This is a scenario in which both individuals are rejecting love based on their similarly tragic experiences. They've both lived parallel lives.

Peter will definitely be feeling guilt about loving someone else, but he'll also realize the error in his ways. He'll realize that he needs to move on in regards to all aspects of his personal life including his love life. Meanwhile, MJ comes to her own revelations about love.

I see that. I have an incredibly good point. It's even more great that Marc Webb is directing since he does capture human emotions and beautiful romance. I hope he gets creative freedom seeing as how the last time Sony meddled with TASM2 cost them huge bankruptsy.

As for Peter's double life: Hopefully, he'll do his best to keep that secret and won't be telling MJ anytime soon. He's already seen the ramifications of that. She'll should find out on her own.

That's what in saying. He doesn't have to tell her but she has to find out about his double life on his own.

I hope eitherary Elizabeth winstead, Jane levy or Karen gillan austin MJ because those are the actresses I see make a compelling chemistry with garfield

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Exactly! he doesn't want the same fate (as Gwen) for her.

Exactly. That's a natural process. Peter would clearly avoid engaging in romantic situations with people that could get hurt since what happened with Gwen. At least for awhile.

 

[harryoscop]

Thanks.

I disagree about it not mattering. It does matter if it's been done before. No one wants to see the same scene played all over again even if the context was changed.

My point is: he wouldn't reject her because there'd be nothing to reject. She wouldn't chase after him. This is a scenario in which both individuals are rejecting love based on their similarly tragic experiences. They've both lived parallel lives.

Peter will definitely be feeling guilt about loving someone else, but he'll also realize the error in his ways. He'll realize that he needs to move on in regards to all aspects of his personal life including his love life. Meanwhile, MJ comes to her own revelations about love.

As for Peter's double life: Hopefully, he'll do his best to keep that secret and won't be telling MJ anytime soon. He's already seen the ramifications of that. She'll should find out on her own.





Aw, thanks!

I see that. I have an incredibly good point. It's even more great that Marc Webb is directing since he does capture human emotions and beautiful romance. I hope he gets creative freedom seeing as how the last time Sony meddled with TASM2 cost them huge bankruptsy.



That's what in saying. He doesn't have to tell her but she has to find out about his double life on his own.

I hope eitherary Elizabeth winstead, Jane levy or Karen gillan austin MJ because those are the actresses I see make a compelling chemistry with garfield

Great points guys!/or gals!

Exactly. That's a natural process. Peter would clearly avoid engaging in romantic situations with people that could get hurt since what happened with Gwen. At least for awhile.

Exactly!

 

[sl500jazz]

Exactly. That's a natural process. Peter would clearly avoid engaging in romantic situations with people that could get hurt since what happened with Gwen. At least for awhile.

Exactly my point. Peter's not and shouldn't be actively out looking for a new relationship. He closes himself up to love after Gwen dies.

It's only after bonding and forming a close friendship with MJ, that he begins developing feelings for MJ, feels guilty about this, and has a hard time processing and coping with those emotions because of what happened to Gwen. This is something that a lot of people struggle with after having lost a partner: the guilt associated with getting back out there and allowing yourself to love again.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Exactly my point. Peter's not and shouldn't be actively out looking for a new relationship. He closes himself up to love after Gwen dies.

It's only after bonding and forming a close friendship with MJ, that he begins developing feelings for MJ, feels guilty about this, and has a hard time processing and coping with those emotions because of what happened to Gwen. This is something that a lot of people struggle with after having lost a partner: the guilt associated with getting back out there and allowing yourself to love again.

It's what I wanted to see in ASM3 besides what people were suggestiong that they should already be dating on the movie. That's what I don't want with them. Not right now.


I even said some months ago that MJ should be a comforting friend for awhile, a person that he could count and call regardless what time of the night was. After some time,Peter notices that he has strong feelings for MJ and like you said,he tries to ignore them. That's when MJ comes and make his heart "bump" again. It's a situation that most people besides some extremely Gwen /Peter shippers would accept. They would see Peter slowly getting back to "life" when with MJ and that in the end,he needs her besides him.

That's how I see it.

 

[Spider-knight]

EXACTLY! heck, it'd be more difficult for peter since he's her neighbor since they got here like maybe 3 years ago after gwen died. it's more relatable, natural, realistic, and heartwarming.

i feel that the writers of the fault of our stars and 500 days of summer, scott neustadter and michael h. weber should co-write with drew goddard on TASM 3 like scott and michael should handle the more romantic and human elements while drew carries on the horror/action elements

 

[W/ Great Power]

I didn't meant her name dude. Just the way she sounded when saying that line. They way I interpreted her character in that particular time. It isn't nothing about her name lol.

For me,Peter and Harry deserved one more movies as friends,the rest was actually well done IMO.

EDIT: I have to do some stuff,later I check it out your reply if you do one.

My apologies for the misinterpretation of what you said. However, I still don't think it should matter, as there have been references in other movies that have insinuated much more provocative things. Plus, that is starting to become more common now, especially in terms of politics across the U.S. and people realizing what it is.

The bolded part is my exact complaint. He should have had some screen time in TASM1. They could have been different from the comics in the sense of having Harry, Gwen, and Peter be in high school together, and MJ coming later in the series.

I realize I responded a little late, but I just got home. I'm leaving for dinner now but I'll be back shortly.

For me, it was Gwen's intro and how quickly she and Peter became an item..

Honestly, I don't think Gwen and Peter's relationship could have been done any better with the direction they're going in. Maybe they could have elaborated with a few scenes here and there (especially the deleted ones), but with the way they're building a universe, the death had to happen in TASM2.

I hear a lot of people say that Gwen should have died in TASM3, and I used to think that too. However, I think her death loses a lot of impact if MJ is already in the picture. It's one of those things that worked in the comics, but I can't see it working that well in a movie.

 

[sl500jazz]

It's what I wanted to see in ASM3 besides what people were suggesting that they should already be dating on the movie. That's what I don't want with them. Not right now.


I even said some months ago that MJ should be a comforting friend for awhile, a person that he could count and call regardless what time of the night was. After some time,Peter notices that he has strong feelings for MJ and like you said,he tries to ignore them. That's when MJ comes and make his heart "bump" again. It's a situation that most people besides some extremely Gwen /Peter shippers would accept. They would see Peter slowly getting back to "life" when with MJ and that in the end,he needs her besides him.

That's how I see it.

My apologies for the misinterpretation of what you said. However, I still don't think it should matter, as there have been references in other movies that have insinuated much more provocative things. Plus, that is starting to become more common now, especially in terms of politics across the U.S. and people realizing what it is.

The bolded part is my exact complaint. He should have had some screen time in TASM1. They could have been different from the comics in the sense of having Harry, Gwen, and Peter be in high school together, and MJ coming later in the series.

I realize I responded a little late, but I just got home. I'm leaving for dinner now but I'll be back shortly.



Honestly, I don't think Gwen and Peter's relationship could have been done any better with the direction they're going in. Maybe they could have elaborated with a few scenes here and there (especially the deleted ones), but with the way they're building a universe, the death had to happen in TASM2.

I hear a lot of people say that Gwen should have died in TASM3, and I used to think that too. However, I think her death loses a lot of impact if MJ is already in the picture. It's one of those things that worked in the comics, but I can't see it working that well in a movie.

I don't see how having MJ in the picture prior to Gwen's death would lessen it's impact. Yes, having MJ cameos in the same movie that Gwen dies would be completely distracting and would seem like a setup for what comes next, but IMO, introducing MJ 1-2 films prior to Gwen's death as a member of the gang increases its impact both emotionally and on the stories that follow.

You can establish that "Friends" or "Archie comics" type dynamic between Peter, Gwen, Harry, MJ, and Flash in the beginning. These are a bunch of teens from different walks of life on the cusp of adulthood. There's a lot of story potential there. You can establish all of these unique identities ( developing a Peter-Gwen relationship and a sisterly bond between Gwen and MJ) and then show how not only Peters world, but all of these worlds are suddenly and completely turned upside down by that one single tragic event. This also creates a more natural progression story-wise, and honestly, would've been better use of time than the parents' mystery.

 

[W/ Great Power]

I don't see how having MJ in the picture prior to Gwen's death would lessen it's impact. Yes, having MJ cameos in the same movie that Gwen dies would be completely distracting and would seem like a setup for what comes next, but IMO, introducing MJ 1-2 films prior to Gwen's death as a member of the gang increases its impact both emotionally and on the stories that follow.

You can establish that "Friends" or "Archie comics" type dynamic between Peter, Gwen, Harry, MJ, and Flash in the beginning. These are a bunch of teens from different walks of life on the cusp of adulthood. There's a lot of story potential there. You can establish all of these unique identities ( developing a Peter-Gwen relationship and a sisterly bond between Gwen and MJ) and then show how not only Peters world, but all of these worlds are suddenly and completely turned upside down by that one single tragic event. This also creates a more natural progression story-wise, and honestly, would've been better use of time than the parents' mystery.

That came out wrong.

I too have said that I would appreciate a universe in which Peter, Gwen, MJ, and Harry are friends from the start in high school, as it would create a bigger impact for Gwen's death. However, they would have to do that in a way where they would hint at a potential relationship between Harry and MJ, and then MJ and Peter would get together later in the series after Gwen's death. There would have to be no indication that MJ could eventually become a love interest for Peter, so no one would even get that idea prior to Gwen's death.

With the way this series has been going, I think it would have been distracting if they went with their original plan of introducing MJ in TASM2, as they did with Harry. But if they can have them all together from the beginning of the series, I agree with all of the points you mentioned above and want the same.

 

[sl500jazz]

^ Oh ok. I understand now. I agree. In retrospect, introducing MJ the way that they had planned in TASM2 would've just made the film more cluttered and might have been distracting.

 

[W/ Great Power]

^ Oh ok. I understand now. I agree. Introducing MJ the way that they had planned in TASM2 would've just made the film more cluttered.

Sorry about that, buddy. I've been doing some work on the side for school as well, so bouncing back and forth has my brain in a couple different places.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Honestly, I don't think Gwen and Peter's relationship could have been done any better with the direction they're going in. Maybe they could have elaborated with a few scenes here and there (especially the deleted ones), but with the way they're building a universe, the death had to happen in TASM2.

They took a unique first encounter, which emphasized Peter's outsider status as well as set up a dynamic relationship, and replaced it with a generic romance arc.

 

[sl500jazz]

Sorry about that, buddy. I've been doing some work on the side for school as well, so bouncing back and forth has my brain in a couple different places.

Don't worry about it! I've been bouncing back and forth too. Time to buckle down and finish studying.

 

[Spider-knight]

I don't see how having MJ in the picture prior to Gwen's death would lessen it's impact. Yes, having MJ cameos in the same movie that Gwen dies would be completely distracting and would seem like a setup for what comes next, but IMO, introducing MJ 1-2 films prior to Gwen's death as a member of the gang increases its impact both emotionally and on the stories that follow.

You can establish that "Friends" or "Archie comics" type dynamic between Peter, Gwen, Harry, MJ, and Flash in the beginning. These are a bunch of teens from different walks of life on the cusp of adulthood. There's a lot of story potential there. You can establish all of these unique identities ( developing a Peter-Gwen relationship and a sisterly bond between Gwen and MJ) and then show how not only Peters world, but all of these worlds are suddenly and completely turned upside down by that one single tragic event. This also creates a more natural progression story-wise, and honestly, would've been better use of time than the parents' mystery.

indeed. well the parents mystery could be better handled in this harry's situation but were they really to overshadow ben parker? the guy raised him for 10 years while his parents just abandoned him and died. far as i can tell they've been nothing but trouble and should stay dead. i say that the sinister six film should be the last movie concerning oscorp as it should be its downfall during their fight with spiderman. seriously, just let peter deal with his own life and worry about his everyday life style instead of his parents. he has a girlfriend to grieve, bills to pay, and uncle to grieve, a career to think about, an aunt to take care of, a city to save, and a new love to think about.

 

[Spider-knight]

They took a unique first encounter, which emphasized Peter's outsider status as well as set up a dynamic relationship, and replaced it with a generic romance arc.

it wasn't anything generic. their interactions with eachother was well executed and was cute. the romance also improved in 2. now, let's just hope and ask for abuildup of a romance more relatable, struggling, conflicting, personal, and well developed.

 

[Spider-knight]

^ Oh ok. I understand now. I agree. In retrospect, introducing MJ the way that they had planned in TASM2 would've just made the film more cluttered and might have been distracting.

indeed. having mj as a cameo just felt off. it's one of the things i'm glad they cut out. though i wish they cut out the youtube scene, kafka, max's hallucinations, and the planes

 

[W/ Great Power]

They took a unique first encounter, which emphasized Peter's outsider status as well as set up a dynamic relationship, and replaced it with a generic romance arc.

I guess it was for the sake of being different from the comics. But I guess I understand your point, considering they decided to name the series after the original TASM.

Don't worry about it! I've been bouncing back and forth too. Time to buckle down and finish studying.

Time to do your best Puney Parker!

 

[harryoscop]

Omg guys look! the comic con trailer music The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Comic Con Trailer Music: http://youtu.be/v_wVwyQ9GnA

We should have got something like this!

Hopefully for TASM 3!

 

[spiderman2]

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

So I thought of this great idea of a story revolving around MJ and Peter. Now it can't happen in there first meeting. Maybe a sequel with them still together but not TASM3.

In case you guys didn't know, I'm kind of writing my own Spidey origin (won't share yet because I'm still working out the outline). I also thought of an idea of a new Spidey villain who is the brother of Gwen and son to Captain Stacy. Here are some posts on that.

You know what would be a genius and I mean GENIUS idea for this series?

Creating a new villain.

Hear me out. I thought about it. Why doesn't Gwen's older brother become a villain? Imagine, ever since Peter came into his lives, his father and sister died. We could say he's in the military and maybe he was attacked. His whole squad died except him. He comes home to find out his sister died and attends the funeral.

He creates a new identity. You have a great motive for him, great idea. Tell me that isn't genius.

I'm actually writing my own Spidey origin story (it can't be a film, it would work as a TV series or comic). I have some many ideas for future sequels. I have no idea if I want to kill Gwen and how but if I kill her off and her father, I thought about adding this brother into the origin story because that idea of a villain is so awesome.

My take on the Stacys would be Gwen, her father, and her brother. I wanted a character to relate to 9-11 in my Spidey story and I thought about having Gwen's mom as a victim of 9-11.

I just loved the idea of Gwen's brother especially because I wanted to create a new Spidey villain.

The major influences for it would be Jason Red Hood, Winter Soldier, James Gordon Jr, Hush, and even though we have no idea who he is the Arkham Knight. Mainly the Arkham Knight because he looks ****ing badass.

Well the way I'm writing it is like Long Halloween. That had about 13 issues with each issue being a month so I'm writing the origin month by month.

There are some ideas I have. Peter's parents died from a car crash when he was 3, Uncle Ben and Aunt May are also Peter's Godparents, Peter's a baseball fan, Aunt May is a head nurse (which I THOUGHT OF 2 MONTHS BEFORE THE TASM2 CAME OUT! THEY STOLE IT!), Uncle Ben actually runs a auto repair shop, Uncle Ben's best friend (name is Dwayne Kirby and his family, their friendship goes back years), Liam Neeson is my primary influence in my take for Uncle Ben with Sally Fields still as Aunt May, Daredevil is involved, Kingpin, Avengers F4 and X-Men exist already, Iceman and Firestar attend Midtown and are Peter's best friends, no Harry (it would just take away and besides my Peter is in high school and in 616 he didn't meet Harry until college so it's all good) or MJ.

There are 2 big ones.

Chameleon is the main villain and he's NOTHING like the comics. He's like the comics in terms of he is still the master of disguise but I really expanded on the comics and he's just ****ing awesome. He takes control of NYC during it and separates it from the world. While on paper that sounds like Bane in TDKR or Riddler in Zero Year, it takes it in a completely different direction. He was a Russian KGB spy during the Cold War. He really wants revenge on America. He feels America is just so intrusive. They join in everyone's war but nobody asked them. Nobody attacked them. he mocks the Twin Towers saying you lost a couple of buildings and lives big deal. Look at you know. There are parts in Russia and Germany that haven't even recovered from WW2 and some of that you guys caused. My main inspiration in terms of actor was James Spader and Gary Oldman.

Reilly Parker AKA the daughter of Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Yes I thought about Uncle Ben and Aunt May having a child. They have her before they take Peter in. She's a year younger then Peter. It's risky but that's why I did it. Because we never have seen a take where Aunt May and Uncle Ben had a child.

Now I know my direction of MJ is different. Instead of modeling or maybe Broadway, my MJ is more of an art major. She loves and is very talent at drawing. She also loves to write poetry and other stuff. I wanted MJ to be different to Gwen and Peter because that's one of the reasons her and Peter are perfect. Peter and Gwen were big on science and science is all facts and studying and theories and what's possible. Art is all about freedom and endless possibilities which is why I thought it would be perfect if MJ was an art major.

Now about an idea even TASM series can do that I find genius. IT'S RISKY AND PEOPLE WON'T LIKE IT IF YOU DO IT POORLY BUT DO IT WELL AND IT COULD BE WITHOUT A DOUBT ONE OF THE BEST SPIDER-MAN STORIES EVER.

Now for me, this story wouldn't take place until a few more years after my Peter met MJ. About 6-8 after the origin (which Pete is 16 in).

Ok here goes. WHAT IF MJ'S FATHER WAS THE ONE WHO KILLED UNCLE BEN?

Some many say how wouldn't MJ know or just how. First off, we had Joker kill Bruce Wayne's parents so if that can happen, anything can. Second I thought about how to add more with MJ. I think about how Peter was close to his Aunt and Uncle and Gwen was close to her Father. My take on MJ is really different from that. MJ came from a broken home really. She would watch her father be verbally abusive to her and her mother and also physically abusive to her mother. MJ as a kid who cry a lot and feel so alone. Before Peter MJ had a lot of problems trusting men mostly because of what she saw her father do to her mother and didn't want anyone to do that to her. When MJ was 12, she decided once and for all to leave her parents. She left them and went to her Aunt Anna asking to live with her. She took in MJ and loved her like a daughter. MJ's father last name wasn't Watson. She adapted Watson from her Aunt Anna who's last name is Watson.

She never saw her father or mother while being with Aunt Anna. She felt safe and her Aunt Anna got her into art.

She never knew her father killed Ben Parker or her father was arrested.

One day, she and Peter wake up (and are living together). She is making breakfast while Peter is watching the news and Peter hears Uncle Ben's killer broke out of jail. MJ looks at it and she sees the mugshot and sees the name and recognizes it's her father and basically drops to the floor and moves to the corner of the kitchen just shaking and crying. Peter asks what's wrong and she reponses she knows him. That's her father. When Peter asked about her father before, she said he was died and never knew him. She lied because she didn't want him to know the truth about what her father did.

The story practically writes itself. I think that twist as a whole is just so jaw dropping and great if you do the story right. I have so many ideas in my take where to take the direction. Maybe some therapy sessions with Sue Storm among other stuff. I know she will leave Peter in the middle of the story because of all the pain her father caused him and MJ goes out to buy a gun. On paper that may sound bad but it's not like the second she hears this she does that.

I am really liking the direction I took but that's me.

 

[Spider-knight]

So I thought of this great idea of a story revolving around MJ and Peter. Now it can't happen in there first meeting. Maybe a sequel with them still together but not TASM3.

In case you guys didn't know, I'm kind of writing my own Spidey origin (won't share yet because I'm still working out the outline). I also thought of an idea of a new Spidey villain who is the brother of Gwen and son to Captain Stacy. Here are some posts on that.







Now I know my direction of MJ is different. Instead of modeling or maybe Broadway, my MJ is more of an art major. She loves and is very talent at drawing. She also loves to write poetry and other stuff. I wanted MJ to be different to Gwen and Peter because that's one of the reasons her and Peter are perfect. Peter and Gwen were big on science and science is all facts and studying and theories and what's possible. Art is all about freedom and endless possibilities which is why I thought it would be perfect if MJ was an art major.

Now about an idea even TASM series can do that I find genius. IT'S RISKY AND PEOPLE WON'T LIKE IT IF YOU DO IT POORLY BUT DO IT WELL AND IT COULD BE WITHOUT A DOUBT ONE OF THE BEST SPIDER-MAN STORIES EVER.

Now for me, this story wouldn't take place until a few more years after my Peter met MJ. About 6-8 after the origin (which Pete is 16 in).

Ok here goes. WHAT IF MJ'S FATHER WAS THE ONE WHO KILLED UNCLE BEN?

Some many say how wouldn't MJ know or just how. First off, we had Joker kill Bruce Wayne's parents so if that can happen, anything can. Second I thought about how to add more with MJ. I think about how Peter was close to his Aunt and Uncle and Gwen was close to her Father. My take on MJ is really different from that. MJ came from a broken home really. She would watch her father be verbally abusive to her and her mother and also physically abusive to her mother. MJ as a kid who cry a lot and feel so alone. Before Peter MJ had a lot of problems trusting men mostly because of what she saw her father do to her mother and didn't want anyone to do that to her. When MJ was 12, she decided once and for all to leave her parents. She left them and went to her Aunt Anna asking to live with her. She took in MJ and loved her like a daughter. MJ's father last name wasn't Watson. She adapted Watson from her Aunt Anna who's last name is Watson.

She never saw her father or mother while being with Aunt Anna. She felt safe and her Aunt Anna got her into art.

She never knew her father killed Ben Parker or her father was arrested.

One day, she and Peter wake up (and are living together). She is making breakfast while Peter is watching the news and Peter hears Uncle Ben's killer broke out of jail. MJ looks at it and she sees the mugshot and sees the name and recognizes it's her father and basically drops to the floor and moves to the corner of the kitchen just shaking and crying. Peter asks what's wrong and she reponses she knows him. That's her father. When Peter asked about her father before, she said he was died and never knew him. She lied because she didn't want him to know the truth about what her father did.

The story practically writes itself. I think that twist as a whole is just so jaw dropping and great if you do the story right. I have so many ideas in my take where to take the direction. Maybe some therapy sessions with Sue Storm among other stuff. I know she will leave Peter in the middle of the story because of all the pain her father caused her and MJ goes out to buy a gun. On paper that may sound bad but it's not like the second she hears this she does that.

I am really liking the direction I took but that's me.

I think that idea alone sounds genius. And I wouldn't use the joker as an inspiration but more like black cat's father, Walter hardy from TSSM. Both love interests have tragic backstory and their views on men. Both fathers are bad and both have emotional issues even revolving around Peter and spiderman. I believe this can work.

 

[sl500jazz]

I think an idea like that could potentially become problematic and have huge ramifications on the mythology. In the comics, MJ is able to reconcile with her father giving her arc some closure. What’s the resolution here? Does MJ's father become a new villain for Peter to fight (a little clichéd isn't it)? Could there be any reconciliation between MJ, Peter, and Philip, if Philip killed Uncle Ben? And if there was some type of reconciliation (that’s not forced) and Philip expresses guilt or remorse over his actions and both Peter and MJ forgave him, wouldn't that detract from the unresolved guilt that Peter feels over Uncle Ben's death? Why is it a necessary change? What does it add? It seems a little bit like shock value ala Sins Past. I’m ok with reinterpreting the mythology. I’m not crazy about those kinds of twists.