The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread

[DACrowe]

TDK did not have the biggest opening weekend of all time (when it opened) because Ledger died. Batman Begins was a huge hit on DVD and gained a huge following. The early trailers of the Joker (before Ledger died) raised awareness and hype exponentially for the sequel (the last Joker Batman movie also broke records in 1989). And then yes, Ledger's death put it over the top.

TASM2, if TASM is good, will likely have the same kind of hype. But TASM is closer to Batman Begins. A reboot less than ten years later....actually just five years (BB had eight) later. Except, unlike BB, it's rebooting a franchise people still like. Hence all the "Where's Tobey?" Like BB, it will do worse than the previous franchise's greatest heights. If its good, it will do well enough get a sequel and be a much bigger hit.

 

[Spiderman6592]

It's not closer to Batman Begins. Are people really this quick to forget how unbelievably successful the Spider-Man films were? Taking inflation into account, Spider-Man 1 still made $350,000,000 more than the original Batman film that came out in 1989.

Spider-Man 2, again taking inflation into account, made $400,000,000 more than Batman Returns.

Spider-Man 3, also made $400,000,000 more than Batman Forever.

My point is, Spider-Man is an inherently more popular character than Batman. comparing TASM to Batman Begins is a terrible point to make as Spider-Man's base popularity is leaps and bounds higher than Batman's.

Another reason why the BB and TASM comparison is horrid is because, as bad as Spider-Man 3 was, it was a masterpiece in comparison to Batman & Robin. While I see SM3 as a total failure, it wasn't in the eyes of critics and most filmgoers. The same can't be said for Batman & Robin. Now you argue that that works against the film, but it doesn't. When Batman Begins was coming out, all people could think about was how bad the last Batman film was. Why would they want to see that character again? Given how horrible he was the last time he was seen on screen. It's not the same for Spider-Man.

Now, with CBMs being as popular as they are, the next Spider-Man movie is going to be immensely popular. A Spider-Man movie hasn't been released in 5 years. That's an ideal amount of time for 2 reasons:

1. People will remember how good the character was on screen still, whereas there was a complete generation turnover between the releases of Batman Forever and Batman Begins.

2. People will want to see that character again, regardless of it being a reboot.

 

[Liam_H]

If you take inflation into account Spider-man only made $50 million more than Batman, domestically. So I'm confused about your numbers.

I would argue part of the reason the 1st Spider-Man film did so well was because that was the first live action movie of the character. Also releasing rebooted franchise is bad because if people loved the Raimi films so much(first 2) than they would want to see that continue. 5 years later you still have essentially the same audience as before.

WB is already planning on rebooting Batman when TDKR comes out, people love his movies and its unlikely they're gonna jump on a different franchise so soon after Nolan.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I'm confused by your numbers. In 1989 Batman made $411,348,924, in 2002, Spider-Man made $821,708,551. $411,348,924 in 1989 converts to $592,653,568 in 2002.

$821,708,551 - $592,653,568 = $229,054,983

So I apologize, the math I did in my head was a bit off. That's still a substantial difference though.

 

[Liam_H]

I was referring to domestically only since straight up converting WW numbers can be tricky due to the different rates from region/country in the world. I don't think you can use a single number for everything.

 

[Spiderman6592]

It's all converted to US dollars so it doesn't make a difference.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Why are some of you guys bashing Avengers? If you guys REALLY want an "enemy" for ASM to have look at TDKR. That'll be the biggest threat to any movie next year.

 

[spideyguy16]

I dont feel people are as excited for the avengers as we are. I feel like the nerds have to get the rest of the world excited for it lol spidey and bats are definite fan favorites though

 

[Spiderman6592]

I agree spideyguy. And I'm not bashing The Avengers. I'm just saying that it's not going to do better than TASM or TDKR.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I dont feel people are as excited for the avengers as we are. I feel like the nerds have to get the rest of the world excited for it lol spidey and bats are definite fan favorites though

Disney's got that covered. Rumor has it that the hype train starts next month.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Sony is just as good at marketing and promotion as Disney is. Do we not remember the Spider-Man 2 and 3 campaigns?

 

[Liam_H]

All three will be marketed well, I doubt anyone one of them is gonna be another GL situation.

 

[Spiderman6592]

TDKR markets itself lol

 

[spideyguy16]

The joker promoted bats forever until the next batman and robin

 

[Spider-Vader]

All three will be marketed well, I doubt anyone one of them is gonna be another GL situation.

I thought GL actually had good promotion, I saw GL everywhere. It bombed because the movie sucked & it looked sucky the whole time.

 

[Liam_H]

I thought GL actually had good promotion, I saw GL everywhere. It bombed because the movie sucked & it looked sucky the whole time.

GL was everywhere for the last month before release but overall the marketing was bad. It had bad teaser trailer with unfinished CGI and sold the movie as more of a comedy. People were laughing at it.

Then they try to make it a space epic with the next two trailers because the teaser had a bad response. It did very little to help since people just saw so much CGI they were turned off. WB dropped the ball by not anticipating how much time and work GL needed for post.

 

[DeanJ2009]

TDKR retruns will blow TASM away(at the box office) imo but that doesn't mean Spidey will do badly.

Thanks to The Dark Knight(weather through marketing or Ledgers death that's another issue) a lot of people saw and loved the film, it transcended comic book movies in that sense and won people over who aren't the target audience for this type of film and these people will unquestionably see the sequel, as will just about everybody who watches Spider-man.

Spider-man will do well, personally i think it will do better than the Avengers, if only because Spider-man is more ingrained in the public mind than any of the heroes in The Avengers, and it looks a pretty good film which im sure will win people over.

but working in a theater i see the amount of attention the general audience give the Batman trailer and poster and Spidey as well as he's doing, isn't competing

but that is by the by, sequels should be doing better, they should be doing business off the back of the first movie and people who have caught it on DVD or TV that wouldn't have seen it at the cinema. If Spidey does Batman Begins numbers i would be happy with that, and i think everybody else would be too.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

"If Spidey does Batman Begins numbers i would be happy with that, and i think everybody else would be too."

Well if that's the case then it won't do better then the Avengers (like you think it will).

 

[Spider-Vader]

I definitely see ASM being the top 4 worldwide behind TDKR, Hobbit & Avengers. & it being top 3 domestically behind TDKR & Avengers... unless by some horrible reason that the movie sucks then it'll bomb & we'll be screwed for a couple of years.

 

[Spiderman6592]

It will top The Avengers and fall behind The Hobbit and The Dark Knight Rises. I don't know how people are figuring the Avengers is going to make so much when it's leading and most popular character's movie made 500-600 mil worldwide. I've seen people say it's going to make 900 mil. No ****ing chance.


Next summer:

TDKR - $1,000,000,000+ Worldwide
TASM - $750,000,000 Worldwide
TA - $650,000,000 Worldwide

 

[socool]

It will top The Avengers and fall behind The Hobbit and The Dark Knight Rises. I don't know how people are figuring the Avengers is going to make so much when it's leading and most popular character's movie made 500-600 mil worldwide. I've seen people say it's going to make 900 mil. No ****ing chance.


Next summer:

TDKR - $1,000,000,000+ Worldwide
TASM - $750,000,000 Worldwide
TA - $650,000,000 Worldwide

Wait...so a film full of heroes who's movies are all, for the most part, equally liked and is leading the first attempt at creating a real universe within a movie realm (which people are getting into, btw)...will NOT make a lot. Yet, a movie with a large amount of hate behind it coming off a bad movie with a generally hated costume will make a lot?

No.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

People forget how big Spider-man is overseas. He's much bigger than any other superhero. With 3D prices and inflation the minimum ASM makes overseas is 650 m. That doesn't include what it will get from North America.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Edit. xD

 

[Spiderman6592]

Wait...so a film full of heroes who's movies are all, for the most part, equally liked and is leading the first attempt at creating a real universe within a movie realm (which people are getting into, btw)...

****ING LOL


Man, this is just a hilarious response. Let us first go over the box office numbers for each hero featured in the film:

Hulk (2003) - $245,360,480
The Incredible Hulk - $263,427,551
Iron Man - $585,174,222
Iron Man 2 - $622,056,974 (Which was less well received by both fans and critics alike)
Thor - $448,512,824
Captain America - $352,691,924

So, the most financially successful film of all of them got just over 600 million and received pretty average and lukewarm reviews. All of these films have largely the same audience as well, and Iron Man only did what it did because of Robert Downey, Jr. So please, remind me where this extra 300 million is coming from? I can see it making 700-750 million because of the reasons you stated but 800 million? 900 million? Not a ****ing chance.

will NOT make a lot. Yet, a movie with a large amount of hate behind it coming off a bad movie with a generally hated costume will make a lot?

No.

Now, let me address the overall ridiculousness of this statement.

It's hilarious that you address the situation as if every single person on the face of the planet is a huge comic book fan. 9/10 people will not even acknowledge the difference in the costume. They'll see a red and blue costume with a spider on it and say, "Oh hey, it's Spider-Man!". lol "Generally hated costume". Even though it's split right down the middle on this board amongst comic fans about how the costume looks...

Also, "large amount of hate behind it". Orly? Because once again, there are more people in favor of this movie than not on this board alone. It also doesn't take much to do a google search or youtube search to see a large amount of articles/videos are actually very positive about the reboot. Now, if you had said this a year ago, I'd be on board with you, but opinions or being changed day after day, and that will only continue to happen as July 3rd, 2012 moves closer.

Thanks for making me laugh though!

 

[socool]

****ING LOL


Man, this is just a hilarious response. Let us first go over the box office numbers for each hero featured in the film:

Hulk (2003) - $245,360,480
The Incredible Hulk - $263,427,551
Iron Man - $585,174,222
Iron Man 2 - $622,056,974 (Which was less well received by both fans and critics alike)
Thor - $448,512,824
Captain America - $352,691,924

So, the most financially successful film of all of them got just over 600 million and received pretty average and lukewarm reviews. All of these films have largely the same audience as well, and Iron Man only did what it did because of Robert Downey, Jr. So please, remind me where this extra 300 million is coming from? I can see it making 700-750 million because of the reasons you stated but 800 million? 900 million? Not a ****ing chance.

What? That doesn't make sense... Just because the other films didn't make a lot doesn't mean this film won't. Look at Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. Batman Begins made 500 million, The Dark Knight made 1 billion. So, why is it different for the Avengers? People look at the movies above and see one hero and say "Oh, this isn't original" but a lot still see the movie because it looks fun. NOW they are going to see a movie with ALL those heroes put together. They aren't going to have the same response. It's new, it's exciting, it's just what movie-goers want. Especially comic fans. If you're a fan of ANY of those characters, you're going to see the movie because it has them in it for, probably, a good amount of time.

And I never said it would make 900 million. Never. But it WILL make more than TAS, for sure. I don't have the SLIGHTEST doubt in my mind.

It's hilarious that you address the situation as if every single person on the face of the planet is a huge comic book fan. 9/10 people will not even acknowledge the difference in the costume. They'll see a red and blue costume with a spider on it and say, "Oh hey, it's Spider-Man!". lol "Generally hated costume". Even though it's split right down the middle on this board amongst comic fans about how the costume looks...

See, now this makes sense. You're are completely right. Most things that are negative towards the reboot are on the internet, which means someone had to look it up, which means they're probably a comic book fan. I don't go around the city taking a poll of who likes the idea and who doesn't, BUT the people who bring in the most money are comic fans. And, like you and I both just stated, aren't liking the reboot very much. So why do you think the general audience will care so much for the movie all of a sudden? Because it's MORE Spider-Man? The same character that brought 3 movies in the past 10 years and had an insanely disappointing last entry? People don't want to see more Spider-Man. People didn't want to see more Batman when Begins came out, but it was so damn good it caught people's eye and then The Dark Knight kicked ass in every way.

And, once again, the costume is the same thing as before. General audience will notice eventually, but not right away. Comic book fans (THE ONES WHO BRING THE MOST MONEY) do notice immediately. I never said the costume was going to affect everyone. But there are people who will not see the movie because of the costume (ones who notice...and are dumb)

Also, "large amount of hate behind it". Orly? Because once again, there are more people in favor of this movie than not on this board alone. It also doesn't take much to do a google search or youtube search to see a large amount of articles/videos are actually very positive about the reboot. Now, if you had said this a year ago, I'd be on board with you, but opinions or being changed day after day, and that will only continue to happen as July 3rd, 2012 moves closer.

I never said everyone hated it, but you have to realize most of those articles and stuff...are about the comic con footage...which only a handful of people saw. So there is still a HUGE amount of people unsure/hating this movie. And the point of the marketing is to change the opinion by July 3rd. So, of course more people will be on board by then. There's no doubt, but to think that this movie will make more than 500 million is ridiculous.

Especially with that POV stuff. They're actually marketing that, and people are actually hating it. In my theater for Cap (I know this is a stupid example, but it still works) when they played the trailer, it got people talking, of course, but a lot of what I was hearing was "That 1st person thing was stupid" The POV stuff is not going to help this movie. If you look it up on the internet, you will see a lot of people that do not like that stupid ending. It makes the movie look gimmicky and cheap. Like it was made just for that ****ing 3D ending. I'm not saying the POV stuff is going to hurt the movie very much at all, but TAS needs all the money it can get.