The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread

[TheSlag]

I don't see it making more than Spider-Man or The Dark Knight Rises. It won't happen.

It would be a surprise if it did, but as a long shot I could see it's numbers coming close to SM1 if the word of mouth is good.. and assuming the general audience gives it a chance (which I think they will).

 

[Spiderman6592]

You talking about The Avengers or TASM? I meant that I don't see The Avengers making more than TASM or TDKR.

 

[TheSlag]

You talking about The Avengers or TASM? I meant that I don't see The Avengers making more than TASM or TDKR.

I agree that it would not surprise me if TASM makes more than Avengers in the long run, and while it would be a bigger surprise (but I think one that is possible) is if TASM makes SM1 type numbers or close to it.

It all depends on the word of mouth on the movie.

I know it's (TASM) the ONE movie that really has me hyped to see it.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I think TASM could make similar numbers to SM1 for sure.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Ultra-l0l @ everyone who thinks The Avengers will fail.

Even if it has a crappy story, it will still make bank.

Come on, there's been like, what, 6(?) movies leading up to this? You really think it's going to do any worse than the movies that lead up to it?

L00000000000000000000000000000000L I very strongly doubt that.

Even if it has a weak story, it will not fail. If a generic action movie like The Expendable can get a sequel, and make plenty of money... why the hell are you worried about what will no doubt be an action-packed movie?

 

[Spiderman6592]

No one said it would fail financially. In fact, I said multiple times that I thought it would succeed at the box office, but I don't think it will make bigger numbers than TASM or TDKR. Read more carefully before you make silly posts.

I do however think it'll suffer from being overly hyped and having way too high expectations. I see it as being a similar situation to SM3. Great box office numbers, but completely average (somewhat below) critical response. I'm not by any means "worried" about The Avengers failing at the box office. Read my posts carefully please.

 

[Troy_Parker]

EDIT:

Related to my previous post: The harsh truth is that out of TASM, The Avengers and TDKR... TASM is the one that has the most chance to fail, mainly because it may not "be accepted" seeing as how the previous trilogy may be fresh in the audiences minds, along with other changes that the general audience may not like.

Not that I want it to. I want this to be better than the previous trilogy.

 

[Troy_Parker]

No one said it would fail financially. In fact, I said multiple times that I thought it would succeed at the box office, but I don't think it will make bigger numbers than TASM or TDKR. Read more carefully before you make silly posts.

I do however think it'll suffer from being overly hyped and having way too high expectations. I see it as being a similar situation to SM3. Great box office numbers, but completely average (somewhat below) critical response. I'm not by any means "worried" about The Avengers failing at the box office. Read my posts carefully please.

It was related to this:

"I don't see it making more than Spider-Man or The Dark Knight Rises. It won't happen."

It will be surpass Spider-Man. You can bet on that.

 

[Spiderman6592]

TASM has nowhere to go but up. More and more people are changing their opinions on the film by the minute and regardless of whether or not it is "accepted" people are going to see it because it's ****ing Spider-Man. Spider-Man alone has a bigger following than any super hero in The Avengers film. He is the most cinematically ideal super hero there is. Not to mention the fact that Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield are the two of the biggest actors in Hollywood right now and their fans will come out to see the film regardless of whether or not they are Spider-Man fans.

Quote me on it now, Spider-Man will absolutely make more money at the box office than the Avengers for 3 reasons:

1. The Avengers comes out in May. Spider-Man comes out in the middle of the summer. Kids will still be in school in May and Spider-Man will have the benefit of weeknight audiences.

2. It's Spider-Man. The original trilogy alone proves that people love seeing him on film.

3. The cast. Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are going to bring in a HUGE outside audience that may not have been interested in seeing a Spider-Man film otherwise.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Fair points, but I still think TASM will fall just short of The Avengers. (still a great success though)

We'll find out next year. lol

 

[Spiderman6592]

This is true. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination saying The Avengers will fail at the B.O. It's going to get huge numbers, but I see TASM getting bigger ones.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

1. The Avengers comes out in May. Spider-Man comes out in the middle of the summer. Kids will still be in school in May and Spider-Man will have the benefit of weeknight audiences.

That May release is one of the most coveted spots you can get, which is why TASM2 grabbed early May for the 2014 sequel.

3. The cast. Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are going to bring in a HUGE outside audience that may not have been interested in seeing a Spider-Man film otherwise.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Yes Emma Stone is on the rise big time. The Help will only Help ASM get an even larger GA. Andrew is a great actor, I wouldn't be surprised if he's nominated/wins a Tony in the next year, but Emma is the much bigger draw then Andrew at the moment. I definitely think that he will be a star, especially after ASM, but he hasn't reached that point yet to where he has a built-in audience.

As I said earlier in this thread, IM2 numbers worldwide(slightly better) are what I expect from this film right now just based on a general observation of various things. And those type of numbers would be well ahead of the curve of every reboot the last six years.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Andrew does have a HUGE draw actually. Sadly, it's mostly among girls between ages 16-21 but as well know, that is a HUGE crowd to draw in. He's one of the most sought after actors in Hollywood right now after his performance in the Social Network and there was a huge outcry amongst critics and moviegoers alike for an Oscar nod, and even more of an outcry when he was denied of one.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Andrew does have a HUGE draw actually. Sadly, it's mostly among girls between ages 16-21 but as well know, that is a HUGE crowd to draw in. He's one of the most sought after actors in Hollywood right now after his performance in the Social Network and there was a huge outcry amongst critics and moviegoers alike for an Oscar nod, and even more of an outcry when he was denied of one.

Being sought after in Hollywood is more then just being a boxoffice draw. He's sought after because he's a great actor, similar to a guy like Gosling. (I think Andrew is this generations Ed Norton). Mike Nichols went after him because he has serious chops as an actor and can hold his own against P.S. Hoffman. The bonus is that the play will be on as ASM is about to be released. ASM will be his first film since the Social Network so we can't really measure what impact that film has had in terms of drawing power.

 

[Spiderman6592]

You really don't remember the amount of Oscar buzz the dude had after the Social Network? And I know being a sought after actor in Hollywood isn't a box office draw. The box office draw comes from the fact that he's one of the most popular actors out there amongst teen females.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

You really don't remember the amount of Oscar buzz the dude had after the Social Network?

I remember.

And I know being a sought after actor in Hollywood isn't a box office draw. The box office draw comes from the fact that he's one of the most popular actors out there amongst teen females.

I'm just not sure being big with teenage girls really makes you a B.O draw. How do you equate that with B.O drawing power when we have no track record with which to go on? He'll bring in fans, sure, but HUGE outside audience? As of this point in time, Emma is the proven commodity in terms of being a draw.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Well in my original post I said Andrew and Emma together would bring in a huge outside audience, which is true. While yes, Emma's is significantly larger, Andrew's is still there. Combining the two is going to bring in a hell of a lot more people than otherwise would have seen the movie. It's just a fact.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

As I said earlier in this thread, IM2 numbers worldwide(slightly better) are what I expect from this film right now just based on a general observation of various things. And those type of numbers would be well ahead of the curve of every reboot the last six years.

Which reboots?

 

[Spiderman6592]

Superman Returns, Batman Begins, The Incredible Hulk...probably more that I can't think of.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Which reboots?

Superman Returns: $391 million ww
Batman Begins: $372 million ww
X-Men: First Class: $352 million ww (technically a prequel but a reboot)
The Incredible Hulk: $263 million ww

 

[spideyguy16]

Xmfc is considered a reboot?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Superman Returns: $391 million ww
Batman Begins: $372 million ww
X-Men: First Class: $352 million ww (technically a prequel but a reboot)
The Incredible Hulk: $263 million ww

Star Trek and Casino Royale say "hi".

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Star Trek and Casino Royale say "hi".

Superman Returns: $391 million ww
Batman Begins: $372 million ww
X-Men: First Class: $352 million ww (technically a prequel but a reboot)
The Incredible Hulk: $263 million ww
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Casino Royale: $594 million ww
Star Trek: $386 million ww

I'm predicting ASM ends up around $700 million ww.

 

[DACrowe]

I don't see why people think The Avengers is going to be a huge film. I mean, sure it'll be big, but I don't think it will gross nearly as much as The Hobbit, The Dark Knight Rises or Spider-Man. It has, by far, the biggest chance to fall flat on its face and fail, and I think a lot of people are going to be outright confused by the concept. I'm sure it will succeed but I absolutely do not see TASM grossing less than The avengers.

I agree it won't gross as much as TDKR domestically or internationally. It most likely won't gross as much as Hobbit domestically (though it's possible, depending how much of the LOTR-hype has faded in the US market). However, it is going to kill TASM at the box office. The Avengers is something people have never seen in the genre before (a giant team-up film) which gives it a uniqueness that allows it to stand out from most of the genre--something Thor and Captain America didn't obviously have. Yes, fans will point out one was a cosmic fantasy and the other was a period piece....but only fans will point that out--and it also has the most popular non-Batman superhero persona in it right now: Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man. That performance literally moved a B-character from the second-tier to the first in popularity and created a franchise that has now twice played in Raimi's Spidey's ballpark, even if it hasn't quite taken it. It will give The Avengers the boost it needs to cross $300 million domestic.

Meanwhile, TASM is a reboot of a still loved franchise that literally only had its first film ten years prior to the reboot (which in some ways is a straight-up remake of that movie). Even if TASM is a great film and far superior to the Raimi films, it will have an uphill battle much like Nolan's Batman Begins did. I don't see it making $300 million domestic, in all honesty.

and I came to realize that this cast absolutely DESTROYS the cast of the last trilogy completely.

Excluding Dunst, SM1 had a pretty damn impressive cast. Maguire, Dafoe, Simmons, Robertson, Harris and Franco were and are all very well-respected actors. I'd say Dafoe, Simmons and Robertson are great ones. I think the Spidey character honestly hurt Maguire as most people ignore his impressive work prior to the film (The Ice Storm, Cider House Rules, Ride with the Devil, Pleasantville, Wonder Boys and Seabiscuit). I hope the same fate does not happen to Andrew Garfield who has had an equally impressive lead-up before trying to go Hollywood franchise on his career. Time will tell.

 

[Snare]

$100 billion