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The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spiderman 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 3

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What'd you think of the three positive reviews above his just out of interest? I've noticed you don't seem to address them much anymore! :)

I don't mean to speak for him, but he probably appreciates reviews that articulate the same feelings he has towards the movie. I'm sure we do the same.
 
So many people are saying that the Electro and Goblin fights are too short. Without giving away spoilers, what do you mean by "short"? Do you mean about a minute or two of action or do you mean that you were expecting a really long fight and it turned out to be only 5 minutes?
 
:up: An extremely well-written review! But...I hope I don't end up agreeing with you, lol. I really want to like this movie and sometimes seeing these reviews that plot out such points with good writing to back them up, like yours, makes me feel really down.

Thanks for reading! But my advice would be to not let reviews sway you one way or the other. Go in with an open mind and come to your own conclusions.

Fantastic review as always Keyser,even if I enjoyed the movie more than you did I actually agree with many of your points.

Thanks again, FA!
 
So many people are saying that the Electro and Goblin fights are too short. Without giving away spoilers, what do you mean by "short"? Do you mean about a minute or two of action or do you mean that you were expecting a really long fight and it turned out to be only 5 minutes?

Well, there's really only 2 fight scenes in the whole movie. The Electro final fight, which you've probably already seen the best parts of, is about as long as The Lizard final fight, maybe even a bit shorter, and the Goblin fight which is literally like 45 seconds.
 
Thanks for reading! But my advice would be to not let reviews sway you one way or the other. Go in with an open mind and come to your own conclusions.

Advice noted. I'm usually able to keep an open mind but honestly I never really expected such a polarizing response to this movie.
 
Well, there's really only 2 fight scenes in the whole movie. The Electro final fight, which you've probably already seen the best parts of, is about as long as The Lizard final fight, maybe even a bit shorter, and the Goblin fight which is literally like 45 seconds.

Damn... I hope your memory is just foggy...

Is it just that fight that is too short or the entire Goblin's presence?
 
To be fair, the fight may only be about 45 seconds, but it's the tensest, most dramatic 45 seconds of the movie, which makes it feel about twice as long.
 
To be fair, the fight may only be about 45 seconds, but it's the tensest, most dramatic 45 seconds of the movie, which makes it feel about twice as long.

Good to hear. I hate it when people just look at the "short" aspect of something like an action scene and say it sucks. A proper action scene needs tension building, climax and resolution. As long as these elements are well-executed, it shouldn't matter the length of the scene. And...if really done well, it should leave you wanting more of it, in a good way of course.
 
So it is like a bunch of **** going on (fight-wise) compiled into about a minute?

Well the actual "final fight" with the main antagonist in superhero movies tends to be very short. Like for example in the Winter Soldier, Rogers' actual fight with Bucky was only a couple of minutes from what I remember. Same with all 3 of the original Spiderman movies (the fight with the goblin in the abandoned building was only about 3 minutes, the final fight in the sequel was really nothing being only a couple of punches, and same with the third). In fact it seems like the only superhero movies to not suffer from this are the first Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, and Man of Steel.
 
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I finally saw movie, as I wanted to make my own review, but i dont have time for that.

Tone of the movie didnt really felt for this movie too be real sequel for ASM, but i already from trailers know that. It was more comic-book tone.


Some scenes and dialogue was more like reading direct from comic book pages, specially villain's dialogue, as Aleksei/Rhino overreacting . Movie progressed in similar speed as you list your comics, which isnt bad if you are comic-book guy/girl, but if you are not you will feel like it was bit rushed or too much going on without giving some characters and scenes time too breath. Example Peter and Harry relationship, as whole Oscorp side with Harry scenes where in between 3-5 min of movie Harry get escorted from Oscorp, go in Ravencroft for Electro and get back to Oscorp to take his "medicine".

Which again if you are comic-book guy you will appriciate because we are skipping some unecessary stuff and get immediatly on the point, but if you are not you will felt like it was rushed.

Action scenes were amazing, you could say positive side of comic book pages coming to life for everyone. Never saw something similar before. Soundtrack was great, much better then in TASM. Chemistry between Garfield and Emma gave tone of reality in this movie. Death scene was in same time amazing and sad, amazing because acting in those scenes maked scene so real and sad because i almost cry.


As comic book fan who reads comics, watch animated series I gave it 9/10. It really was everything which Spider-man fan dreams to see on big-screen from his childhood hero. 9/10 only because Norman isn't Goblin and Harry is again villain. As movie regular fan i gave it 7/10, as i already said what "problems" are. Movie for general audience would greatly benefit if it was 20 min longer, to process some scenes. Every Spider-man fan will like this movie as it will for him be THE ONE which definite portray of Spider-man comics in live action. General audience not so much which we see from critics.

I forget one thing. I dont know how people missed time skip in the movie, are people stupid or what? They clearly says in the movie, 5 months passed between Gwen death and Rhino showing up. They said twice word "5 months" and they showed how Peter depressed spend time at the grave in autumn and winter!
Sorry guys for my bad English.
 
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So it is like a bunch of **** going on (fight-wise) compiled into about a minute?

I'm trying hard not to get too spoilery here, but the scene becomes incredibly emotionally-charged and frantic, and there's a lot of frenzied, claustrophobic movement, and this nice touch of visual metaphor with Peter Parker's character struggles throughout the film being emblazened on the screen in the form of a fight scene as Spider-Man.
 
So it is like a bunch of **** going on (fight-wise) compiled into about a minute?

The two scenes of Spidey fighting the Goblin in the trailers (him swinging around the web line and kicking him and Goblin trying to stab him) then add like a couple punches and that's it.
 
The two scenes of Spidey fighting the Goblin in the trailers (him swinging around the web line and kicking him and Goblin trying to stab him) then add like a couple punches and that's it.

Doesn't sound like the big dramatic thing that others were taking about
 
Because he's over simplifying it. See it for yourself to see if you agree with him, but sometimes the consequences of the fight are not attached to the length of it, it doesn't have to be a 20 minute slugfest if it can convey what a fight scene should be.

The only person who can decide that is you, and the only way to decide is to see the movie.

On another note, I asked Joker to "review" the other reviews as he's good at being objective and he doesn't hate nor love the film, so it's always good to hear his opinion.
 
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 was not a film I was expecting greatness from. I initially had quite high hopes, I'll admit. I quite enjoyed the first film, but it felt like it was laying the groundwork for a much more interesting sequel, and at first it seemed like this film was shaping up to be just that. But with the more trailers I watched (and there were A LOT of trailers), the more I got this niggling feeling about the film that it was just "off" to me, and my anticipation started to sap away. I actually waited for a couple of weeks after its cinema release to get round to seeing it, as it just wasn't grabbing me. But still, I went in expecting a fun, if unremarkable movie experience. So it's with some disappointment that I have to report that the film failed to meet even these modest expectations and proved to be quite underwhelming.

It's hard to explain what exactly is wrong with it. People have been comparing it to Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN 3, and I don't think that's quite on base, because while I'd say it's around the same ballpark in terms of quality - probably a little bit better, to be fair - people are coming at it from the wrong angle. First, people are making the comparison because of the "too many villains" dilemma, which needn't necessarily be a problem in itself (CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER worked in no less than 5 villains from the comics and managed to do it rather seamlessly and unobtrusively) and certainly isn't a problem here because, despite what the marketing may tell you, this is essentially a two-villain film. And second, and this is something many won't acknowledge, while SPIDER-MAN 3 was the worst of the Raimi trilogy, it really only exacerbated problems that were already present in the previous films. THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 is different in this case, as it feels less like a progression of existing problems to the point where they come to a head, and more like a drastic regression, so while the end product isn't as poor as SPIDER-MAN 3, it may be in its own way more disappointing.

While the Raimi SPIDER-MAN trilogy is already dated, feeling quite hokey and cheesy by today's standards, THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN was a breath of fresh air, very much a post-BATMAN BEGINS superhero film that presented more of a grounded reality and a human dimension around Spider-Man, while also preserving that character's identity and unique charm. It provided a great foundation to build from, and there are flashes of it here and there. But for the most part, THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 feels like a doubling-down of that outmoded cartoony vibe. Watching this, I found myself thinking that if this came out in the 90s, people would love it. But we've moved on as an audience since then, and expect more from superhero movies than this condescending "POW! THWACK!" pantomime. The film I found myself comparing it to most was BATMAN FOREVER, actually. Not quite the disaster BATMAN & ROBIN was, but it hasn't aged well. And though of course the production values are better, I got a BATMAN FOREVER vibe here. Stagey-looking sets and locations, everything given this cartoonish, melodramatic quality, characters monologuing and talking to themselves, broad characterisations, particularly when it comes to OTT, BWAHAHAing villainy. This is a world where we meet a lip-curling German mad scientist called Dr. Kafka, which feels like something straight out of the Schumacher wheelhouse. It even starts similarly, with a great actor (Tommy Lee Jones for FOREVER, Paul Giamatti here) phoning it in as a one-note moustache-twirler snarling and bellowing nefarious threats straight out of a Saturday morning cartoon, before segueing into a caricature nerdy loser who abruptly shifts from idolising the hero into despising him due to a dubious slight. It was Jim Carrey in FOREVER, here it's Jamie Foxx.

Now, Foxx is charismatic with the right role, but Electro was not the right role. Once he gets his powers, there is the most perfunctory of attempts to play the sympathy card before we have him turn evil and murderous because... ummm.... that's what the movie's plot requires him to do. And before you know it he's blasting out groanworthy electricity-based puns and declaring "I'M ELECTRO!" (also said in the film: "I'M THE RHINO!" - not one for subtlety, these baddies), and by the time we got to him trying to apparently murder Spider-Man with dubstep, I'd checked out. Elsewhere on the antagonist spectrum, the talented Dane DeHaan tries his best with the Harry Osborn role, and plays a sense of justifiable grievance more credibly than Foxx's Electro gets the chance to, but once he gets on that glider and starts cackling and arching his eyebrows (No "I'M THE GREEN GOBLIN!" line, sadly), his hard work is largely undone. I've never been the biggest Green Goblin fan even in the comics, no matter how hard they've tried to convince us he's Spidey's greatest foe, and with us now having 3 out of 5 films where Spider-Man is having to leap around that glider in fight scenes, it's really feeling worn out.

THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 is saved from complete mediocrity by the inherent likeability of Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone, and a handful of emotionally affecting scenes peppered throughout - one near the end packs a particularly powerful punch. But for the most part, this is a letdown. It feels flabby and scattershot, poorly-paced and with writing all over the shop, and by an hour and a half in I found myself constantly looking at my watch wondering when it would be over. Oh, and just as they did with the first film they give away the final moments of the film in the bloody trailer! Quite the opposite from leaving this film more eagerly anticipating the glut of Spideyverse films that are to follow, this left me with my enthusiasm dampened for all of them.

Very well reasoned and written review. I need to see it again to solidify my impressions as there were notable distractions in my theater that made concentration impossible, but I have to say that much of your criticism rings true. I loved the first TASM and while I don't think TASM2 is as much of a let-down to me as it was to you, I can't argue with anything you've written.
 
Very well reasoned and written review. I need to see it again to solidify my impressions as there were notable distractions in my theater that made concentration impossible, but I have to say that much of your criticism rings true. I loved the first TASM and while I don't think TASM2 is as much of a let-down to me as it was to you, I can't argue with anything you've written.

Thanks for the measured response. I'm not looking to piss in anyone's cornflakes, so don't expect me to be in too much going on about what I didn't like and challenging all the folk who enjoyed the film. It seems there are plenty who did enjoy the movie, or still hope to enjoy the movie, and I don't want to dampen their fun either. It could be that the movie just wasn't for me.
 
Very well reasoned and written review. I need to see it again to solidify my impressions as there were notable distractions in my theater that made concentration impossible, but I have to say that much of your criticism rings true. I loved the first TASM and while I don't think TASM2 is as much of a let-down to me as it was to you, I can't argue with anything you've written.

So, you've seen it?
 
So, you've seen it?

Yes, but honestly there was such a distraction going on that I really could not focus on the movie. I'm going with a group to watch in IMAX 3-D this weekend, I should have a much stronger sense about the film after that.
 
Yes, but honestly there was such a distraction going on that I really could not focus on the movie. I'm going with a group to watch in IMAX 3-D this weekend, I should have a much stronger sense about the film after that.

What kind of distraction?
 
There was an old man in the cinema a little bit in front of me who fell asleep during the trailers and was loudly snoring by the time the film started. Thankfully, an early booming sound effect woke him up!
 
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