The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spiderman 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 3

[TeeKay]

Guys am I the only one who was kinda confused by Harry's motivations here?

 

[Daywalker89]

Guys am I the only one who was kinda confused by Harry's motivations here?

Huh, what do u mean Teekay ?

 

[TeeKay]

Huh, what do u mean Teekay ?

Ok Harry finds out he's dying right? But that's not for another 20 or 30 years. he starts freaking out (reasonable). He wants Spider-Man's blood to live. He's desperate. Takes the venom and the suit and it heals him. After that why does he go after Spider-man is he no longer needs his blood? At this point, he doesn't know Peter's Spider-Man yet. I think at this point Harry's motives become a matter of interpretation. To me, it seemed like he wanted to complete his father's legacy more than anything else even though wanting revenge against Peter for betraying him. I dunno man, what do you think?

 

[Daywalker89]

Ok Harry finds out he's dying right? But that's not for another 20 or 30 years. he starts freaking out (reasonable). He wants Spider-Man's blood to live. He's desperate. Takes the venom and the suit and it heals him. After that why does he go after Spider-man is he no longer needs his blood? At this point, he doesn't know Peter's Spider-Man yet. I think at this point Harry's motives become a matter of interpretation. To me, it seemed like he wanted to complete his father's legacy more than anything else even though wanting revenge against Peter for betraying him. I dunno man, what do you think?

That's a good point , maybe he wanted to check on Electro (bromance lol) saw **** was going down and as you rightly said wanted to get revenge on spidey turning him down earlier. No offense but i would do the same

 

[AF3619]

Ok Harry finds out he's dying right? But that's not for another 20 or 30 years. he starts freaking out (reasonable). He wants Spider-Man's blood to live. He's desperate. Takes the venom and the suit and it heals him. After that why does he go after Spider-man is he no longer needs his blood? At this point, he doesn't know Peter's Spider-Man yet. I think at this point Harry's motives become a matter of interpretation. To me, it seemed like he wanted to complete his father's legacy more than anything else even though wanting revenge against Peter for betraying him. I dunno man, what do you think?

i don´t think he is cured, the condition comes and goes he still needs spider-man´s blood to be healed, he just accelerated the reaction with the venom(hence the greeness and the claws), then he was after spider-man because he still needed the blood, the suit is the thing that keeps him alive(kinda like Darth Vader), when he arrives he sees Spider-man and Gwen Stacy and after reserching about the spiders he deducted, who has something to do with RP,Oscorp and Gwen Stacy,who takes pictures of spider-man?,Peter, now that he realized his BF didn´t want to suport him even when he begged him, he just wanted revenge, after the fight he is at Ravencroft but he is still not healed, instead of slowly getting sick the condition is temporal,comes and goes until he dies, but he still needs to be healed.

 

[Daywalker89]

i don´t think he is cured, the condition comes and goes he still needs spider-man´s blood to be healed, he just accelerated the reaction with the venom(hence the greeness and the claws), then he was after spider-man because he still needed the blood, the suit is the thing that keeps him alive(kinda like Darth Vader), when he arrives he sees Spider-man and Gwen Stacy and after reserching about the spiders he deducted, who has something to do with RP,Oscorp and Gwen Stacy,who takes pictures of spider-man?,Peter, now that he realized his BF didn´t want to suport him even when he begged him, he just wanted revenge, after the fight he is at Ravencroft but he is still not healed, instead of slowly getting sick the condition is temporal,comes and goes until he dies, but he still needs to be healed.

Great insight AF3619, um this may be abit of a stupid question but does harry have a split personality when he becomes goblin. In Ravencroft he didn't even mention that fatal night maybe because he was knocked out . Did he even know Gwen was dead.

 

[AF3619]

Great insight AF3619, um this may be abit of a stupid question but does harry have a split personality when he becomes goblin. In Ravencroft he didn't even mention that fatal night maybe because he was knocked out . Did he even know Gwen was dead.

i don´t think so, he said "Harry is dead" don´t know what that means...

 

[Nemeres]

Guys am I the only one who was kinda confused by Harry's motivations here?

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I was a bit more miffed by Peter's reluctance to give him his blood. I know he was fearing another Lizard scenario, but it's not like Harry doesn't have the manpower and resources to develop a more stable compound. For all he knows, they actually could work out a cure out of his blood.

Although, to be fair, I forget: did his refusal come before or after he learned that the spider venom only worked on his DNA? That would make a difference, I guess... but I think it came before.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

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Here's my long-winded, rambling review for The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Read at your own risk:

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I remember leaving my local theatre in July 2012, with a strange feeling. You know that feeling when you're fighting with yourself to like something and no matter what you try and say to convince yourself, your opinion really isn't going to change. I had just seen The Amazing Spider-Man and for all my might (Hey, it was Spider-Man... I wanted to like it.), I just couldn't shake the feeling that I was decidedly under-whelmed by what I had just seen. There was plenty to like in the movie (a scene here or there, a particular actor), but not an awful lot to love. I grew up through my teenage years loving and being hyped for the Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man movies and within the space of a few years, it was all change and certainly not always for the better. Anyway, in the past two years I've watched the film a few more times on Blu-Ray and still had the same feeling... Love Emma/Gwen, lukewarm on Garfield, love the romance, lukewarm on the action, dislike Connors/Lizard, love Aunt May and so on. It still sits at a 5/10 in my eyes... so you can imagine the trepidation I had for The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

I followed the movie to a certain degree but didn't hang about for every detail or leaked set pic the way I did for the Nolan Batman movies... but from what I did see and hear, things were looking pretty good. We were getting to move away from the origin story, have more development on the Peter/Gwen romance, improved action, some interesting villains and a better looking (the best?) Spider-suit. The trailer peaked my interest and when me and my friends had some time this week we went to see the movie. Nobody was bursting with excitement, but we went all the same. The movie promised us that Spider-Man's ''Greatest Battle Begins''. Pretty exciting stuff.

Without too much difficulty, I can state that this is a much better film than it's predecessor, but it still has a lot of flaws and disappointing decisions. In a nutshell, the film deals with Peter's ever evolving and tumultuous life... the people who have left him, those who are thinking of leaving him and those that have come back. All the while, he has some fun and heartache while under the mask. Sounds great right? And for the most part it is. Peter's life has always been a soap opera and his world works best when a writer is weaving multiple threads at the same time. The problem is that while the movie attempts this, it doesn't quite work and what we are left with is a messy and meandering plot that has moments of brilliance but never finds some much needed cohesion. It all feels a little thrown together... and I don't for one moment believe that is is the movie Marc Webb would make if he had full control.

So what works? The most engaging aspects of the movie is Peter's interactions with those he cares for. The romance with Gwen (one of the few saving graces of the first film) is just as strong as ever. It's rare in a comic book movie that you believe the romance so completely, but here it truly works. I was rooting for these two for the entire movie and so desperately wanted them to have a happy ending. Of course, decades of comic mythology told us this was not to be. The climax at the end involving Gwen's demise was both breathtaking and heartbreaking. I knew Gwen was going but it still bought tears to my eyes. I can't commend Webb, Garfield and Stone for how they handled the entire Peter/Gwen arc. Peter's relationship with his aunt is also as captivating as ever, as seen in one other scene that made me tear up... when May expresses dismay that Peter keeps longing for his parents after she raised him and is working her butt off to get him to a good college. Peter has reassure her that she is enough and it is just beautifully handled in every way.

The action is also much improved from the first film. Yes, It's a little cartoony and CGI heavy at times but it always creative. You can see the team, after 5 Spidey movies, trying to come up with something innovative and they do an OK job for the most part. Still haven't quite topped that train sequence from Spider-Man 2 though, have they?

What doesn't work? Well, apart from the messy plot, I'm sad to say that the villains didn't do it for me. The Rhino was just a little cameo with a goofy Paul Giamatii... Nothing special or even anything worth talking about. Jaime Foxx's Electro was a huge disappointment. Not so much Foxx who gives an admirable performance and does his best with the material he's been given, but in the way the character lies flat on the flat. He really is a lesser version of Jim Carrey's Riddler... a poor sap who idolizes Spider-Man and feels rejected by everyone around him. The characterization is paper-thin and to top it all of, he simply turns into Harry Osborn's bodyguard. The Green Goblin was better executed but still feels like a stepping stone to bigger things (AKA Norman Osborn) and not a fully fledged villain in his own right.

The cast manages to wrangle this uneven script into to something emotionally memorable. Andrew Garfield has improved ten fold and I'm now fully behind him as Spider-Man. He nailed every scene whether he was in or out of the mask. He was funny, charming and now has so much presence with the character. Dane DeHaan was a true find as Harry, giving a wonderfully snobbish and almost tragic performance. It's just a shame he didn't have more in depth material. Everyone else performed admirably as well, but I simply have to single out two cast members for specific praise... Emma Stone and Sally Field. What on earth is this franchise going to do without Emma Stone? She was so brilliant in both movies and Gwen has very easily become one of the best superhero love interests ever. I simply cannot say enough good thing about Miss Stone. Sally also shone brightly in the movie and it was a joy to see her out of the house and interacting with more than just Ben or Peter. What more can I say? It's Sally Field.... you KNOW she gave a great performance.

If only I could ignore the villains and forgive the messy plot, this could almost have toppled Spider-Man 2 for the title of the perfect (ish) Spidey movie. That's one heck of an achievement after my reaction to the first film. What really makes this movie is Webb's confident directing (despite being clearly stifled by the producers and studio), an amazing cast, the sheer fun of the Spider-Man character and the emotional weight.

Webb is moving in the right direction... let's just hope Sony doesn't interfere too much in the future.

7/10

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I think that came out sounding more mixed than I intended, but nevertheless, those are my thoughts on the film.

Fantastic review, Pfeiffer-Pfan! A very interesting, well-written read that was balanced with nicely laid out points. Thank you for sharing, I really enjoyed reading that.

 

[AF3619]

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I was a bit more miffed by Peter's reluctance to give him his blood. I know he was fearing another Lizard scenario, but it's not like Harry doesn't have the manpower and resources to develop a more stable compound. For all he knows, they actually could work out a cure out of his blood.

Although, to be fair, I forget: did his refusal come before or after he learned that the spider venom only worked on his DNA? That would make a difference, I guess... but I think it came before.

Spoiler

he didn´t know but he was still scared of what happened after sharing his father´s research,Peter is worried for his friend and that even giving him his blood didn´t guaranted a cure,also he told Harry that he needs more time, then harry flips out and throws him the glass,also you know secret identity or give his friend an instable cure that could get Harry´s condition worse and he doesn´t want to be responsable to even kill his friend

 

[SpideyK]

Not really a review, but seeing as this is spoiler territory...

http://imgur.com/a/Wl6de

Speculations, guys?

EDIT: No, it's not a bootleg. It's an official preview from the Shazam app.

 

[jmc]

I think, based on what ive read, that many take issue with the inconsistent tone. One minute its cartoony and campy and the next its grounded and dark. Sometimes in the same scene. Havent seen it myself, but this seems to be a recurring complaint.

You're pretty much on the money there. The film tries to be both light hearted and grounded and it makes the overall tone of the film feel all over the place. They honestly would have been better choosing one style or the other.

 

[AF3619]

Not really a review, but seeing as this is spoiler territory...

Speculations, guys?

you can´t post bootlegs

 

[SpideyK]

you can´t post bootlegs

Actually, it's not a bootleg.

 

[BlackFox]

I think, based on what ive read, that many take issue with the inconsistent tone. One minute its cartoony and campy and the next its grounded and dark. Sometimes in the same scene. Havent seen it myself, but this seems to be a recurring complaint.

*insert sound of nail being hit on the head*

 

[TeeKay]

That's a good point , maybe he wanted to check on Electro (bromance lol) saw **** was going down and as you rightly said wanted to get revenge on spidey turning him down earlier. No offense but i would do the same

Good point. Never thought of that.

i don´t think he is cured, the condition comes and goes he still needs spider-man´s blood to be healed, he just accelerated the reaction with the venom(hence the greeness and the claws), then he was after spider-man because he still needed the blood, the suit is the thing that keeps him alive(kinda like Darth Vader), when he arrives he sees Spider-man and Gwen Stacy and after reserching about the spiders he deducted, who has something to do with RP,Oscorp and Gwen Stacy,who takes pictures of spider-man?,Peter, now that he realized his BF didn´t want to suport him even when he begged him, he just wanted revenge, after the fight he is at Ravencroft but he is still not healed, instead of slowly getting sick the condition is temporal,comes and goes until he dies, but he still needs to be healed.

The suit was shown that it healed him though.

 

[Nathan]

The suit was shown that it healed him though.

His injuries. Not his sickness. Otherwise Norman would have been cured ages ago.

 

[AF3619]

Good point. Never thought of that.



The suit was shown that it healed him though.

"Healing protocol activated" that´s what i read there, i remember because the transformation was on YT, if he was healed he wouldn´t be green

 

[TeeKay]

His injuries. Not his sickness. Otherwise Norman would have been cured ages ago.

Injuries from what?

"Healing protocol activated" that´s what i read there, i remember because the transformation was on YT, if he was healed he wouldn´t be green

The green was due to the spider venom. Harry seemed perfectly normal at the end though.

 

[AF3619]

Injuries from what?



The green was due to the spider venom. Harry seemed perfectly normal at the end though.

because the condition "comes and goes"

 

[Nathan]

Injuries from what?

The gruesome transformation he just went through, that had him crawl in pain towards the armor?

 

[TeeKay]

I have to watch the film again but thanks guys.

 

[Akimych]

So when he's healed in prison... healed by Fierce? And why Fierce didn't cure his father???

 

[AF3619]

So when he's healed in prison... healed by Fierce? And why Fierce didn't cure his father???

he is not healed, he clearly said "it comes and goes"

 

[Akimych]

he is not healed, he clearly said "it comes and goes"

nevermind, his father wasn't such in good condition =)