The annual cross over events.... what's next?

[spideyboy_1111]

So they're happening annually now, and we know another will be on its way eventually. It all started with Dissassembled, then House of M, Civil War, World War Hulk, and Secret Invasion. Many minor events following (Decimation/Dark Reign/Back in Black) but what do you think is coming on the horizon for us?

what would you like to see?


I started noticing a pattern that made me predict a skrull event before i knew about secret invasion. The Marvel Universe was getting a bit skrully... (Hulkling and the YA arch, Xavin, the "superman" skrull from spidey, etc...)

right now my prediction would be a Magic or something like "Inferno" happening again..

My reasoning's for this, is that there have been many "hellish" and/or magical events happening as of lately, and in a much greater abundance in the marvel universe of late, esp compared to the last 5 years or so. They are as follows

-One More Day/Brand New Day
-the return of Majik and the events leading up to it
-Red Hood and Dormamu's imminent return..
-Bolasco's Daughter
-Now 2 ghost riders getting there own comics and getting more panel time in other comics
-there being a new sorcerer supreme
-the return of morgan le fay
-Loki and his/her scheming
-the mysterious return of scarlet witch
-the "mystic arcana" event
-all the "evil" being released in captain britain and the MI:13
-some hinting at the return of baron mordo...
-Doctor Doom and his "master"
-the return of Morlun in black panther

Alot of magical things have been going on.. and arguably more then a long time. It would not surprise me at all if a big magical event is about to happen.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Something involving magic, like you said

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Something involving magic, like you said

Very astute post there, Spoons. It's like you read the whole thing.

 

[Aristotle]

I think the Skrull thing was a coincidence, because Bendis hasn't had this planned for very long, regardless of what he says. What warning signs did we have that Wanda was about to go nuts and reshape reality into the House of M? What were the indicators that Tony Stark was going to shoot the Hulk into space before the Planet Hulk/World War Hulk storyline happened? What tipped us off to the idea of superhuman registration and civil war before Road to Civil War in Spider-Man?

I think the Skrull stuff before Secret Invasion actually doesn't suggest Secret Invasion. I think it proves that Secret Invasion wasn't planned. I know Bendis said he wanted us to understand the motivations of the Skrulls and understand them as a race, but what he really wanted was an evil race of bastards, because that's what he wrote. The various Skrulls appearing elsewhere in the MU for a few years before SI were sympathetic Skrulls.

 

[bryanss3]

I'd prefer less events, but I know thats not gonna happen. but I hope they start doing it crossover style instead of an 8 issue story taking 8 months plus tie ins, it could be anywhere from 8-16 issues and take 4 months. but then they can't drag it out and make a **** load of tie ins

 

[venom892]

Me I ignored Secret invasion and it didn't affect me at all.So if I'm not intrested in the next event I won't buy it etheir.If they do something with magic I hope it's more like Annihilation where it focuses only on those characters then Secret invasion where it includes all the heroes.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the Skrull stuff before Secret Invasion actually doesn't suggest Secret Invasion. I think it proves that Secret Invasion wasn't planned. I know Bendis said he wanted us to understand the motivations of the Skrulls and understand them as a race, but what he really wanted was an evil race of bastards, because that's what he wrote. The various Skrulls appearing elsewhere in the MU for a few years before SI were sympathetic Skrulls.

Did he really say that? That makes no sense, given that he created the motivations for the SI Skrulls from whole cloth. There were no religious zealot jihadists amongst the Skrulls before SI. They were a race of once-peaceful shapeshifters who were pushed into never-ending war with the Kree. All the religious elements came from Bendis and took center stage among the Skrulls because the Annihilation War wiped out virtually anyone who would've organized well enough to seriously object. Even Kl'rt, the original Super-Skrull, thought the SI Skrulls were a bunch of crazy extremists, like modern-day Christians look at the Crusaders of the Middle Ages.

Anyway, I would love to see a big magic event, but I wouldn't want Bendis to handle it. The Scarlet Witch and Dr. Strange have proven to me that he doesn't know how to write magic very well. Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa has supposedly had some magic crossover ideas for a while now, but he hasn't gotten to use them. I'd be down with him spearheading a big magic event. I can't stress enough how much I want all the magical bases covered, though. I hate half-assed magic events like Mystic Arcana that seem to forget half of the magic characters in the Marvel universe because it'd be inconvenient to try and fit them in. As far as I'm concerned, there are four major magic areas of Marvel with a bit of overlap between them: gods (Thor, Herc), mystics (Dr. Strange, Baron Mordo), magic agents (Black Knight, Captain Britain), and horror/supernatural beings (Ghost Rider, Lilith). Mix those all together for a big magic throwdown and I'd be all over it. Exclude any of those groups and the magic event isn't really a magic event.

 

[November Rain]

would you put the influence of cosmic entities within the realm of a dimension of magic?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If you're talking about cosmic entities like Love and Hate, Chaos and Order, Death, Eternity, et al., I think at that level the lines between science and magic break down completely. If science is about working within the rules of the universe and magic is about working outside of them, neither of them matter to the big-time entities because they're playing with the fundamental forces of the universe, rules be damned.

 

[November Rain]

but wouldn't someone like the silver surfer be seen as an agent of magic even though he wields the power cosmic.

I mean he too has access to breaking the laws of the universe but he does so naturally.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He taps into the same fundamental energy of the universe that Galactus does. The Power Cosmic is supposedly the energy the entire universe runs on, so the Surfer can do virtually anything by manipulating that. That doesn't make him an agent of magic, though. He can handle magic as just another form of energy, but he's not especially attuned to magic and he's not perceived as a magic character; he's a cosmic/sci fi character.

Conversely, Thor can manipulate all forms of energy with Mjolnir as well, but that doesn't make him a sci fi character. There's a little overlap but he is first and foremost a magic powerhouse. The Surfer is first and foremost a sci fi powerhouse. An argument could be made for the Surfer to be part of a magic crossover, but it'd be a long and highly debatable argument because he's primarily a sci fi character and he always has been.

 

[November Rain]

it's strange, i would have never defined thor as a magical powerhouse since his power isn't necessarily magically defined unless you are going on the interpretation the asgardian realm is magical in its very nature.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What interpretation? That's fact, as far as every Marvel comic I've ever read goes. The godly realms and gods themselves are all magical in nature.

 

[Blader5489]

There's no annual crossover this year. But I think there is some kind of magic-based story being built in the background. Daniel Acuna (I think?) said he has been seeding a magic event for a while now, it just hasn't been given the greenlight yet.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Daniel Acuna's an artist. I think you may be thinking of Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa's ideas that I mentioned earlier. He's had a magic crossover in mind for a while.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think the Skrull thing was a coincidence, because Bendis hasn't had this planned for very long, regardless of what he says. What warning signs did we have that Wanda was about to go nuts and reshape reality into the House of M? What were the indicators that Tony Stark was going to shoot the Hulk into space before the Planet Hulk/World War Hulk storyline happened? What tipped us off to the idea of superhuman registration and civil war before Road to Civil War in Spider-Man?

I think the Skrull stuff before Secret Invasion actually doesn't suggest Secret Invasion. I think it proves that Secret Invasion wasn't planned. I know Bendis said he wanted us to understand the motivations of the Skrulls and understand them as a race, but what he really wanted was an evil race of bastards, because that's what he wrote. The various Skrulls appearing elsewhere in the MU for a few years before SI were sympathetic Skrulls.

i've heard quite the opposite with bendi's planning. Hell it's the only way some things even make sense (like the NA's trip to the savage land and encountering shield agents, as well as pym giving janet the growth formula) And there were no signs of wanda going nuts in disassembled (per say), but there were enough chaotic moments where one could assume she'd eventually lose control. And wants she lost control we would know something crazy might happen. Also concerning world war hulk, it's not the fact he was shot up into space but the fact we could easily predict a hot headed return to earth as an epic event.

 

[Manic]

I'd like to see a magic event, provided it was handled by the right writers and had all the right characters. I don't want it to just be Dr. Strange and this Hood guy having a slap fight. I want to see everyone from Loki to Nico Minoru.

I'd also like to see someone use Jack Holyoak, but I know that'll never happen.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Agatha Harkness, Nicholas Scratch, and the Salem Seven.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah, i think a magic event like this would be a great place to showcase both Wiccan and Nico, and as always would make a great YA/Runaways tie in

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Agatha Harkness, Nicholas Scratch, and the Salem Seven.

Agatha's dead isnt she? she's been a rotting corpse for a bit now

 

[Aristotle]

i've heard quite the opposite with bendi's planning.

He wants you to hear that, and he wants you to think that.

Hell it's the only way some things even make sense (like the NA's trip to the savage land and encountering shield agents, as well as pym giving janet the growth formula)

Pym giving Janet the growth formula could mean literally anything, including it just being a nice gift. As far as the Avengers running into SHIELD agents, what's more likely to me is that Bendis was seeding his current Secret Warriors story ([blackout]SHIELD was controlled by Hydra all along[/blackout], which is just as irritating, to be sure, as Secret Invasion) for a long time, had to put it on hold because of Civil War, and then suddenly found himself in a position to do an entire event, so he did Secret Invasion. There's absolutely nothing about Secret Invasion that looks planned for more than a few months.

And there were no signs of wanda going nuts in disassembled (per say), but there were enough chaotic moments where one could assume she'd eventually lose control.

Yeah, but that's still in pretty close proximity to House of M. That's not "seeding" a story, that's buildup.

Also concerning world war hulk, it's not the fact he was shot up into space but the fact we could easily predict a hot headed return to earth as an epic event.

Again, that's not "seeding." That's obvious buildup.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

He wants you to hear that, and he wants you to think that.

Pym giving Janet the growth formula could mean literally anything, including it just being a nice gift. As far as the Avengers running into SHIELD agents, what's more likely to me is that Bendis was seeding his current Secret Warriors story

there would be no SECRET WARRIORS without SECRET INVASION....

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Why not? Secret Warriors comes more from Bendis' Secret War mini-series a while back than Secret Invasion.

 

[Aristotle]

there would be no SECRET WARRIORS without SECRET INVASION....

Secret Warriors has almost nothing to do with Secret Invasion. It's much more a continuation of Secret War.

Those SHIELD agents in the Savage Land, I would assume they were originally just meant to be part of the Hydra corruption in SHIELD. In fact, weren't we literally told that they were Hydra agents?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Very astute post there, Spoons. It's like you read the whole thing.

Haha, well we've all talked about the next event before and we all agreed it was most likely gonna be something magical. Just paraphrasing lol