The Atheism Thread - Part 6

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I was having a similar conversation with two religious guys in college. I forget what we were talking about, but I criticized God for being unfair. They said that you get to do that when you are creator of the universe.

Fyi… this question is often referred to as the “Euthyphro dilemma” (from one of Plato’s dialogues). Essentially: Is good approved by god because it is good, or is it good because it is approved by god? If the first part is true, this would indicate that god is observing a pre-existing and independent definition of goodness - i.e., morality doesn’t derive from god. If the second part is true, then morality is divinely arbitrary; if god says murder is good, then it’s good (we have no objective basis to say otherwise). Thus, the dilemma.
 
You missed the fun times with PW. 3/4 of his posts are gone but if you check his post history I'm sure you can get a general idea of how he his.

Actually he seems to be gone altogether now.
He seems like an odd and amusing fellow. Too bad I missed the juicy stuff. Perhaps when the shame wears off, he'll return.
 
I mean his account is gone so they may have had enough of him and removed him altogether.
 
They must have. The only posts of his I could see were ones quoted by others. Oh well, that's what I get for not snooping around here earlier.:oldrazz:
 
You missed the fun times with PW. 3/4 of his posts are gone but if you check his post history I'm sure you can get a general idea of how he his.

Actually he seems to be gone altogether now.

He seemed to piss alot of people off in the whole Community forum in general. We even got into it one time.
 
I think there are good lessons in the Babel story.
[Dont get ahead of yourself and over-reach.
Dont be arrogant with your successes. Failure can follow even the greatest successes.]
The Bible says God brought the tower down, but IMO God is a metaphor for the destruction and calamity that can follow hubris and trying to do too much too fast. Itd a good lesson imo.
Ive heard the argument from baptists that the tower of babel is God's warning against a one world government and that things like the UN and the EU or any attempt to unite the world is a sign of the coming apocalypse. I call BS on that.
Tho I think there is a very strong possibility that the Jews who wrote the story used it as a warning and as a way to stop the tribes from uniting with outsiders. I, however, dont think that a united world is the sign of doom. Thats just paranoid nonsense.

The Babel story is what furiated me also alot. I get all the metaphor ********, but still it makes God look like an complete idiot and a scared idot at that.
The way I saw it was that people got together, working together and having a common language helped. Then god comes by and is like "Oh no, if they can do this... they can do ANYTHING!!!"and scatters the people and mixes up the language to different ones. So now we have people not understanding each other so well because of all these barriers god made. What a dick move.
Even as a silly attempt of the times, to explain why there are different languages and races, it makes god look really stupid.
I must admit the bible does have some beautiful poetic stuff, like how the rainbow is the sign of the new deal between god and man, after the flood. I thought that is a beautiful idea. But that's about it.
 
Poor dinos and unicorns never got to see a ranibow:waa:
Kind of proves what a prick he was.





















:cwink::oldrazz:
 
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Poor dinos and unicorns never got to see a ranibow:waa:
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Kind of proves what a prick he was.

Ahah I'm sure it was compensated to them multiple times in heavens... like Job's dead children and wife later. :oldrazz:
 
Ahah I'm sure it was compensated to them multiple times in heavens... like Job's dead children and wife later. :oldrazz:

Ok, don't know who those people are. ...checks to see if accidentally in jesus thread.
Nope safe. So um animals go to heaven?:funny:

I wonder do all the transitional beings, proto-humans et all. supposed "missing" links, show up there too?
So when you get up there you see them and they kind of prove the whole bible is wrong on that?
 
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Ok, don't know who those people are. ...checks to see if accidentally in jesus thread.
Nope safe. So um animals go to heaven?:funny:

I wonder do all the transitional beings supposed "missing" links, show up there too?
So when you get up there you see them and they kind of prove the bible is wrong on that?

I don't know if animals go to heaven. Depends on which cult you ask I guess. And of course if the bible is correct, there won't be any missing link creatures in heaven, because they of course would not exist in that reality.
 
Poor dinos and unicorns never got to see a rainbow:waa:

According to the creationists, a sampling of all animals (dinosaurs, unicorns, etc.) made their way onto the Ark and all survived the voyage. Therefore, they got to see the proverbial rainbow. Now, many of these critters subsequently went extinct; so it might be asked, what was the point of preserving the specimens that were doomed anyway? But, apparently, god works in mysterious ways. :word:
 
According to the creationists, a sampling of all animals (dinosaurs, unicorns, etc.) made their way onto the Ark and all survived the voyage. Therefore, they got to see the proverbial rainbow. Now, many of these critters subsequently went extinct; so it might be asked, what was the point of preserving the specimens that were doomed anyway? But, apparently, god works in mysterious ways. :word:
Yeah I don't get why Ham and the likes have dinos and unicorns on the arc, doesn't having them wiped out and buried first, scew better for his insane timeline.
He's got them hanging with people, pulling carts and helping build pyramids and things.
Is there some passage he needs to have them around post arc story?
But there is others that seem to "rationalize" it that they were wiped out during the flood. Hence the unicorn never saw a rainbow, how freakin crewl and sad is that.:csad:
 
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Maybe because there are mentions of "behemoths" later in the bible, that are supposedly dinosaurs or some ****.

Dont forget Leviathan.

Job 41 describes Leviathan, and tell me that doesnt sound like a dragon.

1 Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3 Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4 Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6 Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8 If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9 Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
Who then is able to stand against me?
11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me.
12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
Who can penetrate its double coat of armor?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15 Its back has rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck;
dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before its thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee;
slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.
34 It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud.”
 
Dont forget Leviathan.

Job 41 describes Leviathan, and tell me that doesnt sound like a dragon.

1 Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3 Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4 Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6 Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8 If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9 Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
Who then is able to stand against me?
11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me.
12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
Who can penetrate its double coat of armor?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15 Its back has rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck;
dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before its thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee;
slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.
34 It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud.”

Is this sung to the tune of do your ears hang low?
 
He seemed to piss alot of people off in the whole Community forum in general. We even got into it one time.

You can ask DS about this but the other day he got into it with me, the next C Lee had removed a bunch of his posts, the next he vanished without a trace. Apparently I'm more well connected than I thought. :oldrazz:
 
You can ask DS about this but the other day he got into it with me, the next C Lee had removed a bunch of his posts, the next he vanished without a trace. Apparently I'm more well connected than I thought. :oldrazz:

*looks around whispers*

I took care of him. No one messes with my boyz!
 
Cool beans, I won't tell anyone but if I'm busted for anything I'm naming names!

I'M NOT GOING TO JAIL FOR YOU OR ANYONE ELSE! *Runs*
 
I don't know if animals go to heaven. Depends on which cult you ask I guess. And of course if the bible is correct, there won't be any missing link creatures in heaven, because they of course would not exist in that reality.
It definitely depends on which "believer" you ask and whether or not they have pets that they love, lol. People seem to interpret these things in convenient and inconsistent ways.
 
It definitely depends on which "believer" you ask and whether or not they have pets that they love, lol. People seem to interpret these things in convenient and inconsistent ways.

This very topic seems to have a bit of that going on >_>
 
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