Rather than a direct reply to a poster or two, I thought I would work all in a new post.
Is God a loving God? If so, then why does God kill people, both young and old, such as when he (God) sent the Hebrew people into Canaan to kill everybody. God is indeed good and the answer is completely justified.
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/slaughter-of-the-canaanites
Is the earth stationary? A clear answer of "no" is here which further shows that the Bible (and God) got it right:
Does the Bible say that the Earth is motionless?
The following verses are often use by Geocentrics to claim that the Earth does not move.
1 Chronicles 16:30. Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Psalm 93:1. The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved.
Psalm 96:10. Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously...."
The word "world:" in these verses is translated from the Hebrew word "tebel" [
Strong's Ref. # 08398 ] and it means "the fertile and inhabited Earth." It is likely referring to only dry land and not the Planet Earth. This is supported by the use of the same Hebrew word in geologic contexts that can only be a reference to dry land.
1 Samuel 2:8. He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.
Some times
stalactites and stalagmites meet forming what is are
actually called columns or
pillars. These are most likely "the pillars of the earth" in 1 Samuel 2:8. The verse says that God set the world on these pillars, this shows the it must refer to dry land and not the entire planet Earth.
2 Samuel 22:16. And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, At the rebuking of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.
Now,the planet Earth dose not have foundations but the continents sit on a granite crust, that go deep into the Earth and as such are quite literally their foundations, so the word "world" here clearly refers to the continents and not the planet.
In each of these cases the word "moved" is translated from the Hebrew word "
mote". [ Strong's Ref. # 4131 ] According to Strong it means: "to waver; to slip, shake, or fall." So the word has noting to do with being absolute motionless, but a steadiness in motion and permanence.
This is because saying that something does not "to waver; to slip, shake, or fall"
does not eliminate other forms of motion. Furthermore the word "
mote" is used in a geologic context.
Psalms 125:1. They that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
Here the Hebrew word "mote" is translated "removed". Now this is a geologic context and it clearly is not intended to say that Mt Zion never moves from geographic activity. Mt Zion has experienced
Earth quakes. One of which is recorded in Matthew 27:51. So Mt Zion has moved in the sense of earth quakes, thus the word "mote" is not intended to speak of absolute motionlessness.
Psalm 104:5. Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Isaiah 13:13. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.
The geocentric position centers on verses that are interpreted as saying that the Earth doesn't move. Most of discussion here center around the word "moved" but the word "earth" is assumed to mean the planet as a whole. However while the Hebrew word "eh'-rets" can mean the planet Earth, it can also refer only to the dry land on the planet Earth.
In fact, it is used both ways in Genesis 1.
Genesis 1:1-2.
1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis 1:10. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
If the verses that are interpreted as saying that the Earth doesn't move, are referring to dry land and not the planet, then their scientific meaning goes from astronomy to geology. Based on this interpretation the references to the foundations of the earth are a perfect description of the granite continental crust on which most of the dry land sits and as shown above these references can not be a barrier to motion from geologic activity since so in these verse the word Earth, refers to the continents not the Planet.
What about the stars, do they die as science has shown or did scripture get it wrong and say they live forever? Stars do indeed die and scripture in Isaiah 40:26 does not say anything otherwise. What this scripture says is that stars will not fail to meet God's will for them, that is, to be in their proper place at their proper time.
In Psalm 104:6-9, the passage does indeed say that the mountains rose after these mountains (land) were under water. The rising of these mountains is after a time they were under water according to the scripture and the sea fossils we find on mountain tops confirm evolution's explanation of why we find sea fossils on mountain tops, at least to the point of mountains rising after being under water. The Bible really did get it right even despite evolutionists denial of the flood account, the idea that evolutionists will say that the mountains were under water is exactly what this scripture says.... oh, and scripture says it perhaps thousands of years before evolutionists found this to be true.
Continued talk about humans, chimps, etc... having a common ancestor.. I say God could have created many in a very similar way to each other, why couldn't he have done that? Think of it as the same artist using the same paint on several different pictures. They are all unique pictures to themselves, but they have something in common to one another, the paint. Think God using the same earth to create all life. Think about the pictures being made directly from the same paint and not gradually from one another. Think about the artist going back to these pictures and adding little features to them such as a birds to the clear sky. This could be the "after their kinds" we read in scripture and the "variations" we see in evolution, but the picture still remains the same picture just as dogs (despite their variations - breeds) remain dogs. Some here I'm sure will cry foul with this in some way that suits their fancy but think for yourself and most importantly, think that the Bible and God may be true. Their are creation links at the bottom of this post that can help you further.
What about Israel? Since her rebirth in 1948, has she met the requirements she was to fulfill in terms of Bible prophecy? You bet!
Israel was to be first re-gathered in disobedience, to go through judgement, and then later to become spiritually cleansed of their sins. I have a couple of links below this that address many prophecies that have been fulfilled in Israel and there are too many to brush aside. Indeed, God has and is showing us that he does exist and he really is leaving us without an excuse to not believe in him. The fool truly does say, "there is no God."
http://www.jewishawareness.org/is-1948-the-promised-return-2/
The rest of this post is from a previous post of mine but it does add to the above in some cases possibly.
For those who are open and seeking the truth, the Bible does hold up to the tests that are brought to it. After a few words to begin, I've copied and pasted a post that shows a lot of evidence that I believe leads to the truth.
You can know that (perhaps from Romans 1:20, that what has been clearly made gives man no excuse to not believe):
God did indeed spread out the heavens as per Isaiah 40:22. You can see that the big bang may actually be an act of God.
God created things so they can reproduce "after their kinds" as per Genesis 1:24. I believe this refers to the variation within natural kinds, roughly what biologists refer to families, and that this has happened, allowing for great diversification since the flood and ark. I believe this is the limit to what we see in evolution and so the common ancestor does not exist. Evolutionists will disagree that this is the limit to what evolution brings forth, but check the links further on down or simply google it and check some creationists answers to the question since you'll probably get enough evolutionists giving their details to back up their position.
Psalm 104:6-9 tells us through various translations that "mountains rose".... and that the flood waters would never flood the earth again, hence why we know that there is not enough water to flood over everything - which adds a little extra food for thought on God's amazing revelations in the Bible. How would the writer have known this back then, that there isn't enough water to flood over the whole earth, if it wasn't for God?). And this "mountains rose" is exactly what is taught by scientists/evolutionists to answer why some sea life fossils are found on mountain tops. Of course the timeline would probably be vastly different between the Bible's account and evolution's account, but the Bible has got this teaching correct.
The Bible is full of amazing evidence that it's words are true and I hope you can see the beauty of it. If you're searching for the truth, I believe the Bible teaches it. Amen. The copied/pasted link is below:
For the seeker of truth:
Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
Psalm 14:1: "The fool says in his heart, "there is no God.""
Psalm 10:4 "In his pride the wicked man does not seek him in all his thoughts, there is no room for God."
As has been presented over the last couple of pages in this thread, one can see these scriptures "come to life" quite clearly by many in this thread. God has revealed things that show that his divine qualities are seen, but you need to look openly (and if you are an evolutionist, get out of the evolution box) and look at the world around you.
Israel is a skeptics worst nightmare. The fulfilled prophecies with that nation cannot be overlooked. If one overlooks Israel, then I would think that especially Romans 1:20 and Psalm 10:4 rings true for them. Israel is for real and she is of God.
http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/Ar...sFulfilled.htm
http://therefinersfire.org/recent_prophecy.htm
You can also see that events taking place in the world are as per scripture said they would be.
http://www.raptureforums.com/BiblePr...01lastdays.cfm
Many of these people here who I have debated with will deny the scriptures, that they are full of contradictions. But God is good and does answer many of these supposed contradictions.
2 Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, correcting..."
http://thedevineevidence.com/skeptic...adictions.html
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...cripture-index
(This one has to do with creation-evolution)
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...tering-critics
There are some good creation websites you can visit to learn more about why the creation model of how life came to be does indeed stand up with evolution. Remember, evolution is not the only door that answers the question on how we are here today. Since everybody is responsible for themselves, I invite you to check these out and be open to the truth the Bible presents. And be open to God who does give us reasons to believe in him. I ask you to taste the goodness of God, and he will lead down the correct path. The correct path is found in Jesus. Jesus saves!
http://www.icr.org/
www.answersingenesis.com
