BvS The Barry Allen/Flash Casting Thread

[MaceB]

I'm not perusing 20 pages just to prove your point for you. I don't come here every day you know.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Did you not like Superman's suit in Man of Steel?

He didn't wear "armor" in MOS, he wore under armor, and even so, it was more like snake skin or something than Iron Man or Nooolaaaan.

And in spite of looking too plastic at times (the rivets in it looked so big in some scenes), the suit was okay. I liked the cape, boots, and "S" shield a lot.

 

[InJustice]

What? Audience watchers are smart. I wouldn't discount them. And isn't this kind of thinking just an excuse to make a fun, wild, but stupid movie? I can watch the animated movies from home. Demands are a lot higher for live action stuff.

I'm not saying the audience is dumb, but to assume they'll ask questions like "why isn't he wearing armor?" is a bit too much credit to give them IMO, especially if they're not familiar with Flash's lore. It works for characters like Batman because he's risking his life in order to fight crime. The Flash is also human, but his access to speed is unique in that it basically helps him avoid things that could hurt him. I still have yet to see a decent rebuttal from what I've said regarding the physics of the Flash and how armor doesn't protect him.

This is the problem with your realism claim. You can go realistic, but you better be prepared to be consistent. Justifying the armor argument, while realizing that it's problematic for Barry makes no sense in terms of realism.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

I wouldn't mind Flash having a helmet like Captain America's, purely based on aesthetics.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Thanks for ignoring my points, and just replacing them with the argument that you think is more common. It has nothing to do with fashion, and everything to do with practicality.

Except there is no practicality in Flash wearing armor.

Okay, so now we're getting to it. I'm going to full scale admit it, I don't like the idea that the Speed Force protects his body for a whole bunch of reasons:

Well thank you for "full scale" admitting that you don't like the character the way he is, but the Speed Force/his aura does protect his body from things like burning up and his bones breaking, etc.

1) if the speed force does protect his body from damage, then it DOES make him super-strong as well.

Lol. No it doesn't. Read a comic. Are you kidding me? LOL.

And how far does that go? If Flash were going at breakneck speed and put his weight into a steel wall... would he go splat, or would be protected by the speed force?

The Flash has complete control over his momentum/mass, and he can vibrate his molecules to pass through solid things, in addition to being able to think at light speed....so he's not going to go "splat" into anything.

If he's protected... that means Flash is hella strong and can do some real damage, even possibly more than superman.

Good thing he's not hella strong then, right?

2) It's just overly complicated from a film perspective.

Lol. No it's not. Certainly no more complicated than an arc reactor or web shooters or a yellow or red sun. The Speed Force is the mystical energy field from which The Flash's powers are derived. Simple. Done.

For the speed force to make Barry super fast is one thing.. but to say it means he won't ever trip, and it provides this extra layer of physical protection seems tagged on and overly convenient.

No, HE makes sure he will "never trip". And even so, a little helmet or chest plate is not going to save him.

I believe film viewers not so intricately aware of the character will feel the same way.

Well someone even slightly aware of The Flash's abilities would never purport that he needs a helmet or armor or is super strong because of the Speed Force or any of the crap you are saying to begin with.

3) It takes away from the character a whole lot more than armor would. The Flash is supposed to be a man... just as vulnerable as the rest of us... but quick. We don't need another superman.

He's not super invincible, he is vulnerable and can be killed...if you catch him. He heals super fast because of his powers but you can overwhelm that and take him out...this takes nothing away from him and makes a lot more sense than anything you're saying does.

Oh I see... so you're just a comic book canonist who is afraid of change because these are the characters you loved as a baby. Of course that above sentence isn't true, but it's not fun to see your rational, intelligent points reduced to a falsity, is it? Just wanted you to keep that in mind.

Which I did to no one, as you had no rational or intelligent points to begin with.

I am not against canon change if it makes more sense or works/improves the canon in some way, but more times than not it doesn't, like your armor suggestions, and anything that's not better than the canon I'm against. Only makes sense.

Great! I agree. Let's go with a fabric, plated hybrid then. Maybe metal plated material around the knees, elbows, and head?

I can't think of a character who is more appropriate.
Superman - doesn't need it cause he's as hard as steel
Batman - traditionally has it in some form in the comics. Needs it.
Wonder Woman - traditional battle wear. Doesn't need it, but it's representative of her culture.
Martian Man Hunter - doesn't need it. Can go through walls.
Green Lantern - doesn't need it. The ring is his armor.
Cyborg - doesn't need it. Already built in.
Flash - totally vulnerable to damage. Needs.

Flash - Sees things in slow motion, can dodge and catch bullets, can increase/decrease his momentum/mass/has complete control over it, can vibrate through solid things, can heal fast, has fast reflexes/reaction time, can think fast.

Flash- doesn't need armor.

And lastly... I will buy in here, and say that Flash's costume... just in general could use some redesign work. I'm not a fan of the lightening ears for film, and I think a glossed plated exterior like that of a race car is a good approach for this one character in particular, and I'm totally down to see a change. It has nothing to do with trends. Just seems to make sense for this character.

The costume is one of the best designed suits of all time, why it has went through so little changes/tweaks since its inception in 1956, it is damn near perfect the way it is, it just needs some cool materials to be made out of for live action film. Redesigning this would make ZERO sense....especially for his character.

You basically want armor because you don't know anything about The Flash. In fact, most the people who do want armor are the ones who don't know anything about the character, and those are the people who should frankly have no input on what to do with him.

 

[Airwings]

The costume is one of the best designed suits of all time, why it has went through so little changes/tweaks since its inception in 1956, it is damn near perfect the way it is, it just needs some cool materials to be made out of for live action film. Redesigning this would make ZERO sense....especially for his character.

You basically want armor because you don't know anything about The Flash. In fact, most the people who do want armor are the ones who don't know anything about the character, and those are the people who should frankly have no input on what to do with him.

Correct, correct and correct.
If it aint broken, why fix it?
Stop asking for an armored Flash. It just doesn't make sense. He doesn't slip on banana peels.

 

[Octoberist]

The costume is near perfect. Don't 'fix' it!

 

[Shikamaru]

Except there is no practicality in Flash wearing armor.

This.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

He didn't wear "armor" in MOS, he wore under armor, and even so, it was more like snake skin or something than Iron Man or Nooolaaaan.

It was chainmail, a kind of armour.

And in spite of looking too plastic at times (the rivets in it looked so big in some scenes), the suit was okay. I liked the cape, boots, and "S" shield a lot.

I thought it was fantastic, best of the skintight suits on screen. Fortunately, a lot of the features of the fairly limited art style in comic books means there is a lot of room for interpretation in adaptation in regards to materials and textures.

I think Flash would be fine in a material similar to that of Superman's with a similar thickness.

 

[roach]

a character who's powers are speed and quickness would not want to weigh himself down with armor. It's like Spider-man. He doesn't need armor because his powers protect him and he has a level of durability.

 

[Batmannerism]

a character who's powers are speed and quickness would not want to weigh himself down with armor. It's like Spider-man. He doesn't need armor because his powers protect him and he has a level of durability.

Totally agree. The Flash is all about speed, so armour doesn't seem to really be his thing. IMO.

However, I don't want to see him in red spandex either, nor that caricature
helmet that showed up in earlier posts - sorry guy, it just looks goofy.

The flash's costume (in the comics) as far as I know, has never been about protection, but about disguising his appearance.

I suppose what's needed is something in between the armour and the spandex, something that looks functional, and practical (for a guy who runs everywhere) and doesn't look silly. I understand the influence of Batman, and Iron Man, in terms of armoured heroes ( and of course Captain America wears a degree of body armour and helmet, as does Thor -well at least he doesn't usually bother with the helmet, as it would make it tough to get thru doors).
Anyway, I can understand people's attraction towards an armoured flash, but personally, I'm not keen on that (but again, not the Spandex either).

Getting the costume just right will be a big ask, and no doubt, whatever they come up with, some fans won't be happy


Still convinced that Pine is the best choice - but also with his rising star power, a good draw card for the film. IMO

 

[Wise]

IMO Flash's suit should start out as just a red body suit with no yellow or symbol.

It should exist primarily as a garment that can withstand the friction of super speed without tearing or wearing down. After he decides to use his powers to help people he can make the suitable adjustments to the suit to make it more comic book like.

 

[Herolee10]

If anything, just design his suit in a way that they did for this design of the CA suit.

 

[roach]

Totally agree. The Flash is all about speed, so armour doesn't seem to really be his thing. IMO.

However, I don't want to see him in red spandex either, nor that caricature
helmet that showed up in earlier posts - sorry guy, it just looks goofy.

The flash's costume (in the comics) as far as I know, has never been about protection, but about disguising his appearance.

I suppose what's needed is something in between the armour and the spandex, something that looks functional, and practical (for a guy who runs everywhere) and doesn't look silly. I understand the influence of Batman, and Iron Man, in terms of armoured heroes ( and of course Captain America wears a degree of body armour and helmet, as does Thor -well at least he doesn't usually bother with the helmet, as it would make it tough to get thru doors).
Anyway, I can understand people's attraction towards an armoured flash, but personally, I'm not keen on that (but again, not the Spandex either).

Getting the costume just right will be a big ask, and no doubt, whatever they come up with, some fans won't be happy


Still convinced that Pine is the best choice - but also with his rising star power, a good draw card for the film. IMO

I was thinking something closer to the Spider-man suit's material

 

[Wise]

If anything, just design his suit in a way that they did for this design of the CA suit.

I've always thought that Evans looks goofy as hell in that cowl. It's his soft soulful eyes.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I'd love to this in live action

Though I also think a non-armored suit could work with the right material and details.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

IMO Flash's suit should start out as just a red body suit with no yellow or symbol.

It should exist primarily as a garment that can withstand the friction of super speed without tearing or wearing down. After he decides to use his powers to help people he can make the suitable adjustments to the suit to make it more comic book like.

It's funny, but I'm the most okay with the Flash having a basic/cheap looking suit. Like a speedskaters

 

[Kevin Smith]

It was chainmail, a kind of armour.

Yeah I knew it was chainmail, but it's like a downplayed version of it...kind of. I wish the "rivets" or whatever weren't as big....they could be a little smaller, IMO, maybe that's one of the tweaks they will give it in the follow up, who knows - I'd be fine with that.

I thought it was fantastic, best of the skintight suits on screen. Fortunately, a lot of the features of the fairly limited art style in comic books means there is a lot of room for interpretation in adaptation in regards to materials and textures.

I think Flash would be fine in a material similar to that of Superman's with a similar thickness.

The suit was okay, not the best adaptation of a comic book suit, but veeerry far from the worst. I really liked the cape, "S" shield, and boots on it. Really loved the boots. Blue was a little too dark for me at times and I hate the gauntlets.

But I do agree, The Flash's suit should be made out of a cool material a la Spider-Man or something, just not armory looking.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I'd love to this in live action

Though I also think a non-armored suit could work with the right material and details.

The suit there isn't armor and I agree that would be an AWESOME shot to see in live action (or even animation, hint hint).

 

[Wise]

I just need to see something like this. if done right it could be DC's answer to Spidey's jaw dropping live action web slinging scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crbmAWqflKE

 

[Kevin Smith]

If anything, just design his suit in a way that they did for this design of the CA suit.

I thought this suit looked good, too bad they didn't keep it more like this in the movie, even though I never "got" the things on the shoulders - that always looked bad to me.

His face though...looks funny in that mask there. Something about it I can't quite put my finger on...

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I just need to see something like this. if done right it could be DC's answer to Spidey's jaw dropping live action web slinging scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crbmAWqflKE

I wonder what Singer/Whedon will do with Quicksilver.

The suit there isn't armor and I agree that would be an AWESOME shot to see in live action (or even animation, hint hint).

Isn't it?

 

[Kevin Smith]

I just need to see something like this. if done right it could be DC's answer to Spidey's jaw dropping live action web slinging scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crbmAWqflKE

This.

Exactly.

 

[Wise]

I thought this suit looked good, too bad they didn't keep it more like this in the movie, even though I never "got" the things on the shoulders - that always looked bad to me.

His face though...looks funny in that mask there. Something about it I can't quite put my finger on...

He's almost Superman handsomefacing

 

[Kevin Smith]

He's almost Superman handsomefacing

Baha! ^^

What is that image from? Is that Superman/Batman Apocalypse?