The Batman General News & Discussion Thread - Part 2

[BatsAndNights]

ASHOSE is the only one that outright says it. Gotham took it a step further by saying he abused his younger sister and its the things that Hatter says to her that alludes to him being a pedo.

Yeah I know about Gotham, I was talking main comics specifically. Especially New 52 ones given as far as I recall, the canonicity of stuff from the New Earth days is a little sketchy

 

[SwordOfMorning]

With Hatter something closer to BTAS with an emphasis on the mind control aspect would have sufficient creepy subtext anyway. You can write about personal violation without having it be literal sexual violation.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Damn, yikes… I didn’t know that about Dixon. FWIW, I still love Robin Year One. The dynamic between Bruce, Dick, and Alfred is the best part of the story. I’d definitely draw from that story and Dark Victory for a Robin origin.

My favorite version of Mad Hatter is from BTAS. Now that I think of it, it’s strange how little representation he’s gotten in animation.

Agreed with all of this. Definitely let down to hear that about Dixon because I do love his work.

Robin Year One and Dark Victory are my favorite stories involving Robin honestly. I actually think Robin Year One doesn't get talked about nearly enough as it should.

 

[BatsAndNights]

With Hatter something closer to BTAS with an emphasis on the mind control aspect would have sufficient creepy subtext anyway. You can write about personal violation without having it be literal sexual violation.

Agreed. And I kinda prefer for Hatter to be almost...pathetic, in a way. And while sex offenders most certainly are, I think there are more effective ways of conveying that, ala my own suggestion of him literally doing it to recreate his childhood because he thinks he's the Mad Hatter from his time roleplaying as him.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Agreed. And I kinda prefer for Hatter to be almost...pathetic, in a way. And while sex offenders most certainly are, I think there are more effective ways of conveying that, ala my own suggestion of him literally doing it to recreate his childhood because he thinks he's the Mad Hatter from his time roleplaying as him.

I see Hatter as someone who would be horribly offended at the idea that he’s abusing his ‘Alice’ or thinking of her in a remotely sexual manner - he probably DOES view it that way, but I think it’s more interesting if he responds to that with shame and repression and denial. Assuming he’s targeting adult women like BTAS, I’d rather totally avoid any of that subtext with kids.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I see Hatter as someone who would be horribly offended at the idea that he’s abusing his ‘Alice’ or thinking of her in a remotely sexual manner - he probably DOES view it that way, but I think it’s more interesting if he responds to that with shame and repression and denial.

Yeah. It's not a POS actively taking advantage of kids, it's a pathetic twerp who wants to play dress up and live in a fantasy world.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I see Hatter as someone who would be horribly offended at the idea that he’s abusing his ‘Alice’ or thinking of her in a remotely sexual manner - he probably DOES view it that way, but I think it’s more interesting if he responds to that with shame and repression and denial. Assuming he’s targeting adult women like BTAS, I’d rather totally avoid any of that subtext with kids.

Yeah this scene from BTAS kind of touched on what you’re talking about re Mad Hatter’s motivations

 

[BatsAndNights]

Yeah this scene from BTAS kind of touched on what you’re talking about re Mad Hatter’s motivations

God this show's still got it

 

[Invader Joker]

With Hatter something closer to BTAS with an emphasis on the mind control aspect would have sufficient creepy subtext anyway. You can write about personal violation without having it be literal sexual violation.

The problem is that I'm not sure this universe suits itself to a concept as sci fi as mind control.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Yeah. It's not a POS actively taking advantage of kids, it's a pathetic twerp who wants to play dress up and live in a fantasy world.

Yep, on top of that this interpretation allows a degree of empathy and complexity for him which you lose the second he’s a child molester. I don’t want Batman’s rogues to be ‘the worst scum of the earth’, apart from Joker and some others my preference is always that they be treated as tragic figures - maybe the biggest influence I want from BTAS.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Not credible in the slightest and I somewhat doubt Reeves even has a final cut of the movie yet. He takes his time with the editing process. I reckon we won't have a clear idea of the runtime until 2022 honestly

 

[Invader Joker]

RT gets its data from Flixster which has a history of getting runtimes completely wrong.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The problem is that I'm not sure this universe suits itself to a concept as sci fi as mind control.

Meh, use the Drops or something. Doesn’t have to be a mind control hat. If you’re not R least touching on mind control why even use the mind control character?

 

[BatsAndNights]

Yep, on top of that this interpretation allows a degree of empathy and complexity for him which you lose the second he’s a child molester. I don’t want Batman’s rogues to be ‘the worst scum of the earth’, apart from Joker and some others my preference is always that they be treated as tragic figures - maybe the biggest influence I want from BTAS.

Exactly. Joker's the biggest bad because there's nothing empathetic about him. He's the living embodiment of Evil itself. There's no understanding, no reasoning, no empathy from him. He only gets pleasure from chaos and pain and he laughs gleefully when he gets it.

But if you have a backlog of villains who are similar, Joker loses his appeal in a way

 

[Predator jp]

i bet it's gonna be closer to 213m than 2h 13m

 

[Invader Joker]

Exactly. Joker's the biggest bad because there's nothing empathetic about him. He's the living embodiment of Evil itself. There's no understanding, no reasoning, no empathy from him. He only gets pleasure from chaos and pain and he laughs gleefully when he gets it.

But if you have a backlog of villains who are similar, Joker loses his appeal in a way

An incel with an Alice in Wonderland fetish that is obsessed with young blonde women to the point of stalking them, kidnapping them and taking away their autonomy is something completely creepy/irredeamable without being similar to Joker at all.

And what I just described applies to even the TAS version of Hatter.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

The amount you guys want pedo stuff and rape in this is a bit weird ngl.

Very bizarre that people jumped from “disturbing mystery to “kids are getting ****ed.”

 

[BatsAndNights]

An incel with an Alice in Wonderland fetish that is obsessed with young blonde women to the point of stalking them, kidnapping them and taking away their autonomy is something completely creepy/irredeamable without being similar to Joker at all.

And what I just described applies to even the TAS version of Hatter.

I changed the post for that reason. I more mean in the sense that you can feel sad for the dude because he's just that pathetic and with the sole exception of Joker, you should feel that type of sadness for most if not all the other Rogues. Joker's the exception because that's what makes him unique.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Exactly. Joker's the biggest bad because there's nothing empathetic about him. He's the living embodiment of Evil itself. There's no understanding, no reasoning, no empathy from him. He only gets pleasure from chaos and pain and he laughs gleefully when he gets it.

But if you have a backlog of villains who are similar, Joker loses his appeal in a way

I disagree with this entirely. If the other villains being empathetic and not dangerous makes Joker more appealing, then that makes Joker the most pathetic villain to me.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I disagree with this entirely. If the other villains being empathetic and not dangerous makes Joker more appealing, then that makes Joker the most pathetic villain to me.

Never said the other villains weren't dangerous, just that you could feel sad for them. One of the major appeals of Joker is the amount you don't understand about him. That's why people insist he doesn't get a backstory, because that's one of the major aspects of him as a character.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Two-Face and Freeze have sad compelling stories, but I don’t really see a reason to empathize with many other villains. I do like the darker and more realistic versions of the characters, because that’s part of what makes me love Batman even more. Batman is the one that’s called upon when the monsters come out at night. I feel it would be a waste for Hatter simply be a pathetic guy that wants to play dress up when there is much more that can be done with his character, given the type of criminal he is. A lot can be explored with other villains as well rather than just the comical caricatures of the themselves. Many of them have a uniquely dark aspect of themselves that can tie into this entire story. I feel the Arkham games did a pretty good job with finding that balance between the dark and comical aspects of each villain. This is what I want for this series and it already looks to be that way anyway.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I’m at the point where I’d much rather see Two-Face in an R-rated political thriller solo film.

 

[Milkman95]

New Synopsis? It's not on the Official Site yet, so don't know if it's real, but it's popping up everywhere:

THE BATMAN is an edgy, action-packed thriller that depicts Batman in his early years, struggling to balance rage with righteousness as he investigates a disturbing mystery that has terrorized Gotham. Robert Pattinson delivers a raw, intense portrayal of Batman as a disillusioned, desperate vigilante awakened by the realization that the anger consuming him makes him no better than the ruthless serial killer he’s hunting.

Thoughts?

 

[Eddie Dean]

Very bizarre that people jumped from “disturbing mystery to “kids are getting ****ed.”

The idea that turning The Riddler into a pg-13 version of a character from a James Patterson novel is at comparable to that is baffling to me.