The Batman General News & Discussion Thread - Part 2

[FunkMiller]

Really can’t see Reeves sticking around if Zaslav demands he integrates the other DC heroes into the universe he’s created. Utterly changes the entire tone and style of the narrative. Nolan wouldn’t have done it, nor would Reeves.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Honestly I wouldn't even really care if the ReevesVerse was canon to the new DCEU. All you have to do, really, is get someone who loves the other characters as much as Reeves loves Batman, have them make their own separate movies on those characters and have crossovers occasionally via Justice League (maybe World's Finest specifically for Batman and Superman). Interconnected cinematic universe doesn't automatically equal MCU.

Just keep the creative control in the hands of those who should have creative control. There's no real reason why The Batman has to be 100% standalone

Really can’t see Reeves sticking around if Zaslav demands he integrates the other DC heroes into the universe he’s created. Utterly changes the entire tone and style of the narrative. Nolan wouldn’t have done it, nor would Reeves.

I don't see really why not. Reeves himself has said he has no issues with other superheroes existing in his universe. He just wants his Batman stuff to be self contained.

 

[Rick190293]

I can definitely see Reevesverse being connected with some more fantastical elements. Battinson on a Justice League movie, IF done right, would be awesome. Just remember the Timmverse, they started with BTAS wich wasn't that fantastical through... (at least in some episodes).

 

[BatsAndNights]

I can definitely see Reevesverse being connected with some more fantastical elements. Battinson on a Justice League movie, IF done right, would be awesome. Just remember the Timmverse, they started with BTAS wich wasn't that fantastical through... (at least in some episodes).

And even then, a major aspect of The Batman was the death of the Gotham Cop/Mobster and the birth of the Gotham Superhero/Supervillain. It's not like it's impossible to start incorporating the concept of slightly more whacky stuff like Superman existing (requires a delicate touch and careful transition, but can absolutely work under right circumstances)

 

[WatchProtect]

I mentioned it awhile before the first film came out but if they wanted other heroes to show up here I think the perfect way to do it would be to have Battinson is the Justice League Dark, he'll mesh better with Constantine, Zatanna, Etrigan and people like that, occult stuff is much easier to introduce than aliens.

Then if they ever wanna do a big crossover have someone from JLD, tie into a Justice League film.

 

[BatLobster]

I still think having to play ball with other films and a larger framework of films is fundamentally what Reeves was opposed to having to deal with though. Once you go shared universe, it becomes a producer's medium rather than a director's medium.

I'd also say a flying superhuman alien is a little more than slightly more whacky than a Zodiac-inspired serial killer. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing this universe get more fantastical, but there's quite a bridge to gap there. I'd hope it's a very gradual process if that's the way it goes. Again, they need to figure out what they're doing with Superman before any of this is even relevant IMO.

 

[WayneMB]

new matt reeves content just dropped. lets goooo

 

[KaijuDude1992]

I mean if anyone could make it work, I believe its Reeves who's already shown that he can handle multiple villains/characters in one movie and not make it feel overcrowded.

I just don't want it to feel forced, but at this point there's probably very little he can do about it since the shared universe decision would be coming from someone way over his head.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'd rather these movies be their own thing, but let's see how this shakes out and what the plan is.

 

[Iceman]

I would let Reeves do his thing the way he wants and just lift the characters (assuming the actors were interested) and let them do different things in other films while not having universe events that make the events of Reeves’ films impossible.

 

[shauner111]

Would not be shocked if they make Pattinson's Batman the main DCEU version.

Keaton and Affleck seem to be done after the Flash/Aquaman. Ezra is done. Gal and Jason are up in the air right now. Aquaman 2 and Wonder Woman 3 could be their swan song. But not sure.

New young Superman around Rob’s age. Let Reeves make each Batman movie without writing in superhero cameos. Make a couple of Superman films at the same time. Somewhere it’s mentioned that Gotham exists in Superman’s world (keep it a mystery as to which Gotham they’re referring to). Then cross over Rob and new Supes for World’s Finest with a separate director at the helm. Now they’re both in their early 40’s. Get a new Wonder Woman (not an origin, make sure the tone is right) for around 2030-ish. The actress can be around 30 years old. A new Flash who is the opposite of Ezra in personality and looks lol. Forget this Green Lantern HBO series, make way for a John Stewart GL film before the end of this decade..

Early 2030’s...now you’re ready for a Justice League event. Battinson is the Downey of the “DCU”. You’ve built it from 2022 to 2032. Smooth transitions.

 

[shauner111]

new matt reeves content just dropped. lets goooo

The Zoe story was fun. And I loved that he confirmed Catwoman and Batman will be pitted against each other the next time we see them.

 

[WayneMB]

If we're talking about the supposed rebooted DCEU. I am not against Battinson crossing over at all. This new DCEU doesn't need to riddled with cameos. Warner should just state that the Batman universe and the other new films will be set on the same earth, just put it out there for people to know. Have slight references to the outside of Gotham and somewhere down the line, if everything falls into place and Reeves' films and other, new films are successful, start crossing them over. Preferably with a World's Finest movie we deserve. And then who knows, maybe even Justice League. DCAU started with a lowkey, noir batman too.
And who are we kidding, would anyone here be opposed to a classic batman/superman dynamic on the silverscreen finally being done right.

 

[Boom]

Eh, can you really imagine Superman flying around in Reeves' Gotham City? Interacting with Reeves' Batman? I can't.

If they're going to include Batman in whatever shared universe plans they have, I think they gotta lean into the heightened sci-fi/fantasy aspects of the character. I just don't see it here without feeling extremely forced and unnatural.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I can but, personally, its just built into Batman for me. Even in the grittiest, most serious Batman comic ever he lives in a world where Superman is flying around - they just don't talk about it. As long as it doesn't invade Reeves movies themselves it doesn't matter to me. It isn't my preference, but it's not a big deal.

I would love to see a meaningful, well written relationship between Pattinson's Batman and Superman. Enormous potential. Realistically, the movie they make probably wouldn't be as thoughtful and interesting as I am imagining it being... but on paper, it's an idea I'm quite into.

 

[Boom]

Well then it begs the next question: What if Pattinson doesn't want to be doing Justice League movies with all these other characters?

 

[u41211]

I don't see anywhere where they said anything about Reeves's Batverse at all in the announcements so why is everyone automatically thinking they are gonna make Reeves merge his universe with the wider DC universe. I really hope they don't and let it be its own separate thing but that's just my feelings on the matter.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Well then it begs the next question: What if Pattinson doesn't want to be doing Justice League movies with all these other characters?

Totally possible! I, frankly, would not blame either Reeves nor Pattinson for walking. I have nothing but utter contempt for the new regime so a small part of me would be happy to know they don't have to deal with the probable headaches. There is very little doubt in my mind that we will get nothing but safe, boring, digestible movies from here on out with the possible exception of the Reeves movies being grandfathered in - the call today had some nice talk, but I cannot imagine having faith in these people having sound judgment about what is and isn't quality.

That being said? While Pattinson is probably very invested in any Batman stuff he partakes in being of quality after his previous blockbuster experience I've always felt people overstate him having some ultra principled, ride or die Reeves's vision perspective on the role - the impression I get is he just really, really enjoys being Batman and has his own ideas about the character.

 

[dhandler01]

I don't see anywhere where they said anything about Reeves's Batverse at all in the announcements so why is everyone automatically thinking they are gonna make Reeves merge his universe with the wider DC universe. I really hope they don't and let it be its own separate thing but that's just my feelings on the matter.

Because a guy who is often wrong (Frosty) who is part of a clickbait factory that is often wrong (Collider) heard it from someone who likely has no idea what they are talking about.

 

[antsman41]

Nah, **** Superman. My Batman is purely Batman… we don’t need powers in his world or the one that Reeves created. Bruce dealing with being a parent is more interesting and tragic than any magical green rock or invisible jet will ever be.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I guess it make sense why Colin kept saying “I hope” when they asked about the Penguin series.

Yeah, I suspected something fishy was happening when they didn’t start filming back in June like originally scheduled.

 

[FunkMiller]

Eh, can you really imagine Superman flying around in Reeves' Gotham City? Interacting with Reeves' Batman? I can't.

If they're going to include Batman in whatever shared universe plans they have, I think they gotta lean into the heightened sci-fi/fantasy aspects of the character. I just don't see it here without feeling extremely forced and unnatural.

I don’t see any situation where Reeves or Pattinson are content with the project they’re working on being fundamentally and completely altered to suit a mandated shared universe.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I still think having to play ball with other films and a larger framework of films is fundamentally what Reeves was opposed to having to deal with though. Once you go shared universe, it becomes a producer's medium rather than a director's medium.

I'd also say a flying superhuman alien is a little more than slightly more whacky than a Zodiac-inspired serial killer. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing this universe get more fantastical, but there's quite a bridge to gap there. I'd hope it's a very gradual process if that's the way it goes. Again, they need to figure out what they're doing with Superman before any of this is even relevant IMO.

It is, but Reeves also found a way to make two movies about talking apes created from a mutated super virus work and be a genuinely touching apocalypse story. He's proven he can make whacky work with grounded.

Eh, can you really imagine Superman flying around in Reeves' Gotham City? Interacting with Reeves' Batman? I can't.

If they're going to include Batman in whatever shared universe plans they have, I think they gotta lean into the heightened sci-fi/fantasy aspects of the character. I just don't see it here without feeling extremely forced and unnatural.

I don’t see any situation where Reeves or Pattinson are content with the project they’re working on being fundamentally and completely altered to suit a mandated shared universe.

You don't necessarily have to /include/ Superman in the movies themselves nor even really change what Reeves and Pattinson are doing. Just start out with him existing, then let Matt go from there with what he wants to do. Paint a picture of how that affects Gotham, potentially even how that affects Bruce (how this Bruce finds himself and continues to be the hero he needs to be in the face of a literal superhero could honestly be a very interesting story). Then transition from that into a World's Finest movie. You could easily have the underlying foundations of that arc begin with Batman 3, then do a World's Finest movie to further expand on that and kinda let the new DCEU naturally expand from there. The Batman being connected to a shared universe doesn't inherently mean Reeves would have to overhaul everything

 

[Gothamsknight]

Keaton and Affleck seem to be done after the Flash/Aquaman. Ezra is done. Gal and Jason are up in the air right now. Aquaman 2 and Wonder Woman 3 could be their swan song. But not sure.

New young Superman around Rob’s age. Let Reeves make each Batman movie without writing in superhero cameos. Make a couple of Superman films at the same time. Somewhere it’s mentioned that Gotham exists in Superman’s world (keep it a mystery as to which Gotham they’re referring to). Then cross over Rob and new Supes for World’s Finest with a separate director at the helm. Now they’re both in their early 40’s. Get a new Wonder Woman (not an origin, make sure the tone is right) for around 2030-ish. The actress can be around 30 years old. A new Flash who is the opposite of Ezra in personality and looks lol. Forget this Green Lantern HBO series, make way for a John Stewart GL film before the end of this decade..

Early 2030’s...now you’re ready for a Justice League event. Battinson is the Downey of the “DCU”. You’ve built it from 2022 to 2032. Smooth transitions.

This is definitely how it should go if they're gonna do a shared universe, but I'm not confident in WB to pull it off.

 

[Rick190293]

Frankly, the odds of Battinson being connected with a larger DCEU are almost 0%. Reeves has stated from the beginning that it's his own thing, he seems very focused to his plan, and seeing it's success and similarities with Nolan, I don't think WB is going to clash with him... at least not now.
Affleck, I can see coming back. He said he was done and is doing 2 more films, plus he has a pretty big fan base, and it's clearly in a better place right now.