The Batman General News & Discussion Thread

[Captain Tired]

People here (including Reeves himself, I gather) seem to be confusing 'grounded' with not being campy or ott in its presentation. If you're calling it relatively grounded (that is, relative to most other stuff in the genre), then sure, that I can get behind.

 

[WatchProtect]

So you mean like Two-Face with actual Split Personality Disorder, permawhite Joker as a performance artist with signs of sadistic personality disorder and clinical sociopathy, etc.

That kind of stuff, or am I misinterpreting it?

Two-Face does have actual split personality I believe, but yes with Joker I'd give him Albanism but that other stuff works great

 

[Eddie Dean]

People here (including Reeves himself, I gather) seem to be confusing grounded with not being campy or ott. If you're calling it relatively grounded (that is, relative to most other stuff in the genre), then sure, that I can get behind.

Reeves is a character guy. The Apes films, Let Me In, even something he just wrote like The Yards. That's very much how he's talking about grounding things here. He grounds his films with real people, not real situations.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Two-Face does have actual split personality I believe, but yes with Joker I'd give him Albanism but that other stuff works great

I just feel like in the video games and comics they have Dent switch back and forth in such a way that feels rather cartoonish; to me, at least.

 

[WatchProtect]

For instance, Two-Face using a giant penny (Penny Plunderer still deserves his respect) is too far fetched.

Put Two-Face splitting a bank between two groups of people and then murdering one group would work out

 

[WatchProtect]

I just feel like in the video games and comics they have Dent switch back and forth in such a way that feels rather cartoonish; to me, at least.

I understand that stance, nuance is key with Harvey or he just becomes a parody

 

[Eddie Dean]

Obviously Two-Face wouldn't use a giant penny. That's ridiculous. He'd use two giants pennies.

 

[Eddie Dean]

What kinda coin is Two-Face’s coin? Half dollar?

 

[Juke Box Hero]

I think going in hard on using actual mental health conditions is a very fine line, especially with Harvey. Obviously you can still tell a story with him becoming Two-Face (The Dark Knight did it perfectly) and you don't need to go into a campy territory, but really highlighting a mental illness with him would make me feel suuuper uncomfortable when they villainize him. That's Frank Miller's Batman, and I think we could all stand to see a little less of that lol.

For the record, I don't think Reeves would go that far anyway. That's almost meme territory like Joker was and this probably isn't the vehicle for a message or story like that. It's one thing to make a sympathetic villain, it's another to say "this character has a severe mental health condition and tragic backstory out of his control and the audience needs to bleed with him... and then root for Batman against him", you know? You can tell a perfectly fine and safe story with Harvey without going down that route and still have plenty of depth.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I have less then zero interest in seeing Harvey's downfall again.

 

[Juke Box Hero]

And I know what I described is the nature of the character anyway but usually it's not given an angle such as that unless he's there just to be a sympathetic figure (most of the time, anyway).

 

[hellblazer103]

.... But several characters legit have mental illness lmao

 

[WatchProtect]

I want to see Harvey's breakdown because Nolan completely skipped the abusive father part

 

[Eddie Dean]

He was just saving it for Snyder to use it for Lex Luthor.

 

[Juke Box Hero]

.... But several characters legit have mental illness lmao

Yea but not most stories don't take themselves serious enough/ground themselves in such severity that it becomes awkward to watch/read.

 

[WatchProtect]

You know if Gotham wasn't such a horrible place to be, quite a few Rogues could have become great people, fantastic doctors, extraordinary Scientists and actors, it's a shame

 

[hellblazer103]

You know if Gotham wasn't such a horrible place to be, quite a few Rogues could have become great people, fantastic doctors, extraordinary Scientists and actors, it's a shame

It's not exactly as black and white as that. The TAS episode "Trial" tackles this brilliantly

Speaking of TAS ...

Yea but not most stories don't take themselves serious enough/ground themselves in such severity that it becomes awkward to watch/read.

TAS always handled these topics very well.

And personally I'm a fan of stories like Night Cries that take things in directions that other stories would be afraid to, and like I keep saying... If this movie and Reeves want us to buy into how utterly dAaHrK his universe is, then yeah... Go there, then. Less talk.

I'm not saying be like Snyder and all edge with no substance or anything tho, especially since Reeves is obviously capable of something with more depth.

 

[WatchProtect]

It's not exactly as black and white as that. The TAS episode "Trial" tackles this brilliantly

Only joking Mr. Blazer

 

[hellblazer103]

Only joking Mr. Blazer

Damn, my dumbass lmao

 

[WatchProtect]

Damn, my dumbass lmao

Ah we'll be fine

 

[hellblazer103]

Ah we'll be fine

"nnNAAAH. It'ull be FOUYNE"

 

[WatchProtect]

 

[Razor Crest]

Jog my memory: what is it SPECIFICALLY about “Drops” that brings in the association of Jervis Tetch?

 

[WatchProtect]

Jog my memory: what is it SPECIFICALLY about “Drops” that brings in the association of Jervis Tetch?

The images around the Drops, the lyrics about Madness and Sanity, it looks like the Cheshire Cat, drops like Acid Drops, trippy hallucination spirals, that kinda stuff, plus the rumors that Hatter was being reimagined as a Drug dealer

 

[Razor Crest]

The images around the Drops, the lyrics about Madness and Sanity, it looks like the Cheshire Cat, drops like Acid Drops, trippy hallucination spirals, that kinda stuff, plus the rumors that Hatter was being reimagined as a Drug dealer

Ah! Clearly it’s him them: pharmaceuticals in Gotham don’t mean sh#t evidently.