The Batman vs The Dark Knight

[Iceman]

The two things I liked better in The Batman was the world building elements and the style/vibe of Gotham.

Yeah, those 2 elements stand out very strongly. I think the Reeves-verse is building to something great and has good foundations in place now.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The two things I liked better in The Batman was the world building elements and the style/vibe of Gotham.

Definitely. I loved how dark and moody Gotham was and then at the end we finally see it in the light. It mirrors Batman's arc in a way of beginning in darkness and ending in light.

Yeah, those 2 elements stand out very strongly. I think the Reeves-verse is building to something great and has good foundations in place now.

Agreed I cannot wait to see what Reeves comes up with for the sequel.

 

[antsman41]

I cry every time he sparks that flint.

 

[Kane52630]

The scene:

Me:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The scene:

Me:

Also was it just me or did the citizens make a bat symbol in the way they followed?

 

[GothamCity]

Yeah i like tdk more.

In my opnion every action scene is better.

The whole scene with the Batmobile and Batpod chasing Joker is fantastic. Also the conversation between Batman and Joker is so much better then that scene with Riddler, that just looks like a bad clone scene. The fact tdk looks much more realistic is cool, it all just looks real. Yeah its just a fantastic film, also inspired by Heat ofcourse.

But i just hope the sequel to The Batman has a better more original story.

 

[Captain Tired]

Can I just point out that, given the bad guys in these films are often captured by the police, and the police oftentimes consult Batman, occasionally you're gonna get scenes where Batman talks to the bad guy in an interrogation room. It doesn't automatically mean they're just aping TDK.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Can I just point out that, given the bad guys in these films are often captured by the police, and the police oftentimes consult Batman, occasionally you're gonna get scenes where Batman talks to the bad guy in an interrogation room. It doesn't automatically mean they're just aping TDK.

Fair point. I remember reading that the scene in TDK was partly inspired by Batman's interrogation of 'Joker' at Arkham in Alan Moore's The Killing Joke. Batman's interrogated people before.

 

[GothamCity]

Can I just point out that, given the bad guys in these films are often captured by the police, and the police oftentimes consult Batman, occasionally you're gonna get scenes where Batman talks to the bad guy in an interrogation room. It doesn't automatically mean they're just aping TDK.

Ofcourse. But it feels to much like a copycat scene, dont know why. It looks but isnt as good as TDK scene, but thats just me. The Batman scene is somehow cringe i thought while watching it.

 

[WayneMB]

Yeah i like tdk more.

In my opnion every action scene is better.

The whole scene with the Batmobile and Batpod chasing Joker is fantastic. Also the conversation between Batman and Joker is so much better then that scene with Riddler, that just looks like a bad clone scene. The fact tdk looks much more realistic is cool, it all just looks real. Yeah its just a fantastic film, also inspired by Heat ofcourse.

But i just hope the sequel to The Batman has a better more original story.

ah, right. batman talking with a villain. they're copying TDK. that's the type of asinine stuff i love to read.

 

[Herofan]

Can I just point out that, given the bad guys in these films are often captured by the police, and the police oftentimes consult Batman, occasionally you're gonna get scenes where Batman talks to the bad guy in an interrogation room. It doesn't automatically mean they're just aping TDK.

Yes it does. At least when the climax includes Batman trying to pummel the bad guy in frustration or Batman hitting his own head against glass in frustration and the bad guy gloating at it.

 

[Captain Tired]

You think what you like.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Yes it does. At least when the climax includes Batman trying to pummel the bad guy in frustration or Batman hitting his own head against glass in frustration and the bad guy gloating at it.

You might be shocked to learn that comic books exist

Batman beating the snot out of a bad guy in frustration is not something Nolan invented lmao

Also the interrogation scene isn't even the climax of TDK, it's the end of the second act. And Batman doesn't even attack Riddler in The Batman, either.

 

[BatLobster]

It's not just the fact that it's an interrogation scene that gives people that vibe. It's it being an interrogation scene where the villain has just intentionally allowed himself to be caught, as his master plan comes to light and Batman starts unleashing his rage to no avail. Pattinson's performance when he rages in that moment even evokes Bale (which I dug).

They're different scenes and obviously Batman talking to incarcerated rogues is a Batman trope, but there are certain parallels there. The TDK Joker interrogation scene also just happens to be one of the greatest and most iconic scenes in a CBM movie, so there's that.

 

[BatsAndNights]

It's not just the fact that it's an interrogation scene that gives people that vibe. It's it being an interrogation scene where the villain has just intentionally allowed himself to be caught, as his master plan comes to light and Batman starts unleashing his rage to no avail. Pattinson's performance when he rages in that moment even evokes Bale (which I dug).

They're different scenes and obviously Batman talking to incarcerated rogues is a Batman trope, but there are certain parallels there. The TDK Joker interrogation scene also just happens to be one of the greatest and most iconic scenes in a CBM movie, so there's that.

Oh yeah there are definite comparisons to be made, I'm not denying that. I just think claiming that Matt Reeves outright intended to copy the interrogation scene is flat out silly. It's a pretty standard thing in Batman stories, Nolan didn't invent it. Does he have the best version of it? Abso-goddamn-lutely. But claiming Matt ripped off Nolan or implying he did because he did his own version of that is ludicrous

The scene:

Me:

I'm not someone who cries at fiction in general.

And yet I've watched the movie 6 times now and everytime he lights that ****ing flare and the music swells I start utterly sobbing

 

[Gothamsknight]

Film is a different medium than comics. With a scene as iconic as the interrogation scene in TDK, anything remotely similar is gonna feel derivative. Yes it's "common" in the comics, but this isn't a comic book, so I think it's fair for some to say it felt like it was riffing on TDK. Even though I don't think that was the intention at all.

 

[BatLobster]

I mean, let's also be real here, Reeves is very, very aware of TDK's legacy and is a massive fan of it himself. He's talked about it at length in the past, including that very scene. If anything I see it more as a bit of an homage as opposed to a "rip off". But just saying, I think it's inevitable that people are going to make some associations between those scenes.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Film is a different medium than comics. With a scene as iconic as the interrogation scene in TDK, anything remotely similar is gonna feel derivative. Yes it's "common" in the comics, but this isn't a comic book, so I think it's fair for some to say it felt like it was riffing on TDK. Even though I don't think that was the intention at all.

Film is different, sure. But it's still adapting comics, where that type of scene is very common. To say that the scene is flat out copying TDK means you have to basically ignore this fact.

 

[BatLobster]

I forgot to mention, another parallel with the scene is the villain confessing to Batman that they kind of have a mancrush on him and he inspires them.

"You complete me!"

"You inspired me!"

There is a thematic parallel going on here beyond "this is just a trope of the comics". Intentional or not, it's there.

 

[Brother Jack]

I mean, let's also be real here, Reeves is very, very aware of TDK's legacy and is a massive fan of it himself. He's talked about it at length in the past, including that very scene. If anything I see it more as a bit of an homage as opposed to a "rip off". But just saying, I think it's inevitable that people are going to make some associations between those scenes.

There is no possible way Reeves didn't anticipate comparisons to the interrogation scene when he was writing and shooting that Arkham scene. That doesn't make it a case of plagiarism or him trying to one-up Nolan or something, but it does mean it had to have been in his mind.