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The BATSUIT Thread

The real question is, "why would Batman announce he has armor via exaggerated armor design?". And as a follow-up question, "what even is the purpose of the Batman outfit if it's clearly just a glorified military uniform at first glance?"
I don't want a military uniform, I want a sleek and tight design. My only problem is that the torso armor shouldn't look like it's an oily naked body (B89, Forever, B&R) or vacuum-pressed super-muscles (BvS). So the solution in my mind is stylized breastplate, similar to Begins or Returns. Like it's mentioned above, Begins is a great baseline to work from. If we just hide his real body or some kind of armor plate under plain fabric akin to West or Year One graphic novel, it won't look that impressive in live action. Not implying that West series is boring, it's just it's a specific look that works for that show.
 
I'd rather not have a Begins style abs, those seams and creases looked so pointlessly futuristic, while still looking like thin rubber.
 
I don't want a military uniform, I want a sleek and tight design. My only problem is that the torso armor shouldn't look like it's an oily naked body (B89, Forever, B&R) or vacuum-pressed super-muscles (BvS). So the solution in my mind is stylized breastplate, similar to Begins or Returns. Like it's mentioned above, Begins is a great baseline to work from. If we just hide his real body or some kind of armor plate under plain fabric akin to West or Year One graphic novel, it won't look that impressive in live action. Not implying that West series is boring, it's just it's a specific look that works for that show.
Honestly, I'll always be a bit confused as to the changes they went with in the batsuit from BB to TDK.

The BB batsuit was really close to being pretty perfect. All most wanted was 1.) Darken the batsymbol, 2.) Increase mobility.

In TDK, they did that, and then were like, "annnnnnnnnnd here's all this extra crap you didn't want! We darkened the batsymbol, and but a pointless triangle of material around it that's also dark black, so you still can't see it! We increased mobility, and added a crazy jigsaw design over the entire body!"

It was just like....why?

I would love something similar to BB, which I think straddled the "it's armor but also still looks somewhat organic" line pretty well. I would agree that toning down the futuristic geometric ab design would help, but once you do that, it's a solid base. Have that kind of design, darken the batsymbol, and give us a suit that lets the actor have more mobility.

Now, as far some hot-button topics go, like say...lenses, I personally think they could be done. Just give the actors white contacts, then you maintain a lot of expression from the actor with the narrowing or widening of the eyes (or just white out the eyes via CGI). But I don't NEED that detail. I do think it could be a nice way to really differentiate the look of this Batman though.
 
Again, I'd have liked the BB suit even more if they had been able to make it look as sleek as it did in the concept art.

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They probably could accomplish that nowadays with how much the material had improved. Unlike most, I wasn't really keen on the giant neck the BB cowl had. All it ended up doing was making him look very top-heavy and making his shoulders and arms look a bit smaller than they were.
 
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I feel that the Nite Owl suit from the Watchman film is basically that armored/sculpted body look done "right" for its time compared to the Ozymandias' and the 90s Batsuits.
 
Eh, I don't want to return to the all blacked out suit. Go a darker blueish with the cowl and cape, but keep the gray.
 
I’ve never been a fan of the blue, but I would be open to seeing how designs would look. The gray/black is a good combo to go with I think. I actually appreciate that the black of the BB bodysuit looked so much lighter than the cape. It gave the impression of a gray/black look even if they intended for it to be all black.
 
Again, I'd have liked the BB suit even more if they had been able to make it look as sleek as it did in the concept art.

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They probably could accomplish that nowadays with how much the material had improved. Unlike most, I wasn't really keen on the giant neck the BB cowl had. All it ended up doing was making him look very top-heavy and making his shoulders and arms look a bit smaller than they were.

This, in the BvS colour scheme, is perfection.

Honestly, I'll always be a bit confused as to the changes they went with in the batsuit from BB to TDK.

It was just like....why?

While Nolan’s passion for realism is one of the trilogy’s strengths, it doesn’t mean it was a good thing all of the time. The TDK suit might reflect a more real world approach to tactical armour, but that doesn’t stop it looking like crap.
 
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I hope Reeves' stays away from rubber and an all black costume. To be honest, I wouldn't mind some CGI enhancements with Weta at the helm given their phenomenal work on the last two Apes films. I've always disliked the black make-up around the eyes.
 
I hope Reeves' stays away from rubber and an all black costume. To be honest, I wouldn't mind some CGI enhancements with Weta at the helm given their phenomenal work on the last two Apes films. I've always disliked the black make-up around the eyes.
Why do you hate the black around the eyes? I thought it was another genius innovation from Burton. Without it, the cowl looks a lot more silly. What would be your workaround? You’re mentioning CGI, but for what: to make it black around the eyes again, fake CG eyes, or just white eyes ala Deadpool?

I don’t see a reason for CGI in this case.
 
So, tangentially related to costuming: what kind of gadgets do we want to see for Batman, in terms of function, usage, and style?

I would like to see a bunch of gadgets with distinct enough styling that, once properly prompted, the audience can see Device X and know what it is. A batarang isn't just a batarang, but once the audience glimpses an electric batarang, they recognize it even if its not immediately used to shock someone. Etc. No devices that are indifferentiable batarangs or grenades or pellets, and a minimum of singular all-purpose devices.

This is partly because. . . okay, a scene I would like to see happen is "Batman thinks of everything". Specifically, a fusion of the detective lecture reveal and the gearing up montage, where Batman arms himself with a variety of different ( specific ) gadgets, in preparation for an upcoming confrontation. They are identifiable when chosen during the montage, but perhaps vague or inexplicable in usefulness. Over the course of the ensuing conflict, not only do they prove useful in clever and surprising ways, but their use is tied to flashbacks revealing Batman's train of thought, in how he used clues and information from earlier in the movie to make deductions and predictions about people and events later. The result is emphasizing Batman's genius, and how he isn't winning the fights, he already won them the scene before.

Only, correction: there's not one scene like this, there are *two*. The first one goes as above, with everything going according to plan, and the entire conflict revealed as a foregone conclusion because Batman Thinks Of Everything. The *second* one, by contrast, is against the Big Bad, and things don't go nearly as smoothly. Against a foe of comparable genius, unpredictability, or both, and since this is Batman, not Precogman, things are a lot dicier. Not all the plans work, not all the scenarios were expected, and Batman has to improvise by the seat of his pants a lot.
 
Why do you hate the black around the eyes? I thought it was another genius innovation from Burton. Without it, the cowl looks a lot more silly. What would be your workaround? You’re mentioning CGI, but for what: to make it black around the eyes again, fake CG eyes, or just white eyes ala Deadpool?

I don’t see a reason for CGI in this case.
I think the cowl could work with flesh tones around the eyes, depending on the design. Gary Frank and Lee Bermejo have managed to make it work, though granted that's only on paper. You could do something similar to Cap's helmet, or if you wanted it covered completely Daredevil's season 2/Defenders costume nailed it. Personally, I'd want something fabric based, as that's never been done properly onscreen before and it's more inline with hw I've always imagined the costume. I've never liked the make-up is because it's so obvious that's what it is and it breaks the illusion. Whenever Batman has taken off the cowl to reveal a perfectly clean face underneath it's always taken me out of the movie for a moment.

The reason why I suggested CGi was because as you said, it's probably impossible to do completely black eyes without make-up using real world materials. I always loved how fear toxin Batman looked in BB, and it's only recently that it's become possible to do something similar that looks photo real for an entire movie. I think if you were to go the CGI route it'd be a shame to not also do the white eyes. That way you still get the full range of emotion from the actor's expressions plus finally get a completely accurate look in live action for the first time. I'm not sure they'd work if they were immobile like in TDK.
 
Why do you hate the black around the eyes? I thought it was another genius innovation from Burton. Without it, the cowl looks a lot more silly. What would be your workaround? You’re mentioning CGI, but for what: to make it black around the eyes again, fake CG eyes, or just white eyes ala Deadpool?

I don’t see a reason for CGI in this case.

Agreed. It's crazy how Burton is responsible for giving Batman a grapple gun, among other innovations.
 
Agreed. It's crazy how Burton is responsible for giving Batman a grapple gun, among other innovations.
That can't be right, can it? I can't imagine Batman without a grapple gun. I never knew that.
 
This, in the BvS colour scheme, is perfection.



While Nolan’s passion for realism is one of the trilogy’s strengths, it doesn’t mean it was a good thing all of the time. The TDK suit might reflect a more real world approach to tactical armour, but that doesn’t stop it looking like crap.

I mean, I don't even know if it was a realism thing. They already had an armored look. And honestly, if you keep the segmented look of the TDK suit, but just keep all the pieces of the suit one set lighter black and make the batsymbol a darker black, you would hide the ugliness of the segmented look.

I think it was just a bad design choice. Now, to be fair to the suit, it looks MUCH better in action than it does in stills. But now that we've seen BvS pull off a suit that looks stylistically pleasing and seems to allow for good movement, I hope we continue along the same lines. I didn't like much about BvS, but the suit did look very good.
 
The BvS suit looked good in stills, but sometimes in movement it looked like it was filled with puff, like a muscle pillow suit.
 
The BvS suit looked good in stills, but sometimes in movement it looked like it was filled with puff, like a muscle pillow suit.
It had a bit of "teh Puffy" to bring back a BB term. But even though BvS is probably my least favorite Batman film ever made, I can't deny that they still filmed some damn good action sequences with it.

It's also based off a Batman design that isn't one of my favorites, but I can't deny it captured the Miller/Jim Lee Batman about as spot on in live action as you could get. If we can get that same kind of comic accuracy to a slimmer look, that also allows good movement, I'll be happy.
 
I think the cowl could work with flesh tones around the eyes, depending on the design...I've never liked the make-up is because it's so obvious that's what it is and it breaks the illusion. Whenever Batman has taken off the cowl to reveal a perfectly clean face underneath it's always taken me out of the movie for a moment.

The reason why I suggested CGi was because as you said, it's probably impossible to do completely black eyes without make-up using real world materials. I always loved how fear toxin Batman looked in BB, and it's only recently that it's become possible to do something similar that looks photo real for an entire movie. I think if you were to go the CGI route it'd be a shame to not also do the white eyes. That way you still get the full range of emotion from the actor's expressions plus finally get a completely accurate look in live action for the first time. I'm not sure they'd work if they were immobile like in TDK.

I *so* agree. The black makeup just takes me out, feeling increasingly anachronistic- particularly as technology moves forward. Spider-Man and Deadpool both have the eyes that define their signature looks, with full emotional expressiveness due to movement of the brow or lens or both. It’s crazy to me that Deadpool has functional white eyes but we don’t want that for Batman... especially considering his human eyes are almost never shown under the mask in the comics expressly because they look so silly. And purely from a tactical security standpoint, a thoroughly modern Batman would have to contend with scanners/cameras that could identify him by his eyes. I don’t love the voice scrambler, but I understand it. The eyes are similar. And while I’m a total nut for practical effects and costuming, this is one of the very few areas where I really feel CGI is superior and has caught up to its potential. The apes CGI is some of the best and most emotive I’ve ever seen - I gotta imagine Reeves could bring CGI enhancement to Batman’s costume in a way that would make it the most elegant, comic accurate and nuanced superhero suit currently on screen.
 
My only issue with the makeup is that they don’t allow it to appear when the actor has the cowl off. Arrow helped me to appreciate the grease paint look.
 
I *so* agree. The black makeup just takes me out, feeling increasingly anachronistic- particularly as technology moves forward. Spider-Man and Deadpool both have the eyes that define their signature looks, with full emotional expressiveness due to movement of the brow or lens or both. It’s crazy to me that Deadpool has functional white eyes but we don’t want that for Batman... especially considering his human eyes are almost never shown under the mask in the comics expressly because they look so silly. And purely from a tactical security standpoint, a thoroughly modern Batman would have to contend with scanners/cameras that could identify him by his eyes. I don’t love the voice scrambler, but I understand it. The eyes are similar. And while I’m a total nut for practical effects and costuming, this is one of the very few areas where I really feel CGI is superior and has caught up to its potential. The apes CGI is some of the best and most emotive I’ve ever seen - I gotta imagine Reeves could bring CGI enhancement to Batman’s costume in a way that would make it the most elegant, comic accurate and nuanced superhero suit currently on screen.

The thing is, I don't think we need CGI to capture the look we're going for. we can do a few things.
1.) Make the mask silicone. That way it will move with the facial muscles and retain an ability to have expression via the face. Give the actor white contact lenses, which will, in conjunction with a silicone mask, allow for a wide range of emotions to be displayed. No need to go CGI when this would achieve the look quite easily. If you want to be easier on the actor, skip the lenses and just white out their eyes with CGI. Simple, and would be the closest to the expressive nature the mask displays in comics.
2.) Keep a similar static mask to what we've had, but give the actors white contact lenses/cgi their eyes white. You still have the makeup in this scenario, but you get the white eye look, and have eyes that can narrow or widen and still emote, ala Deadpool.
 
My only issue with the makeup is that they don’t allow it to appear when the actor has the cowl off. Arrow helped me to appreciate the grease paint look.
It was done numerous times in films well enough. They just don't bother explaining where the make-up goes. Which is fine by me. In Returns in the final confrontation, in BvS when Batman returns to the Batcave and watches his tracker on the monitors and in TDKR when Batman returns from his first night after a long break.
 
I doubt we ever see a bat cowl with the white eyes for the entire movie.

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