Guardians of the Galaxy The Benicio Del Toro Thread - Who Is He Playing?

[jonathancrane]

I liked the post credit scene. It had the magic of the cantina scene in A New Hope.

 

[mkilban2]

We can make logical deductions. Logical deductions like: they won't hire BDT to play an "inconvenience"; they don't want to make any other character seem like he's smarter or more powerful or more sinister than Thanos, if he's the one they're setting up to be The Big Bad; the "one down, five to go" reference isn't even remotely open to interpretation, as it's glaringly obvious who (and what) that's foreshadowing; rather than sprinkling the story with a bunch of extraneous and redundant characters with identical motives to more major characters, the writers will most likely try to simplify rather than complicate.

The actual point of the TDW scene was to attach The Collector's goals to Thanos' goals. The scene simply doesn't make any sense if The Collector is going on his own Thanos Quest, if Thanos is already on his, you know, Thanos Quest. The scene *does* make sense if you view it knowing that The Collector works for Thanos, that The Collector is playing Sif and Volstagg for fools, that Loki is playing Sif and Volstagg for fools, and that both The Collector and Loki are trading Gems with each other for power. Thanos knows full well that Loki is alive, and disguised as Odin (he's omniscient, in both the comics and the film universe); and Loki offers the Aether as a trade that he hopes will keep Thanos off his ass, and that he hopes will appease Thanos enough to allow Loki to keep the Tesseract.

Or Loki, as Odin, is giving that gem away because he knows how dumb it would be to keep two in Asgard when Thanos already knows one is there. And he's giving it to the Collector to spread them out. I'm not actually believing that but I'm just playing both sides of the theory here.

The Collector is either a.) attempting to get them for Thanos or b.) getting them because he wants a complete set just like any serious collector would want. I don't think he wants them for his own "Thanos Quest" or has some sinister plan to rule the cosmos himself in either scenario. Hes either a pawn working for Thanos or he's a collector who wants these things just to have them on rarity alone.

Of course both of those could be wrong, if I'm not mistaken he's a more neutral party in the comics but viewed as villanous right? I'm willing to wait and see how it's presented in the film or until we have more information to form an actual theory of how I think it will happen and what his role actually is. At this moment, anything is actually possible, he could be played closer to his comic role or he could be being rewritten however they see fit, like Killian.

 

[Gr0oT]

Would you just look at that collection?
Just imagine the potential for easter eggs!

[BLACKOUT]Can someone change the title already?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[cherokeesam]

Would you just look at that collection?
Just imagine the potential for easter eggs!

[BLACKOUT]Can someone change the title already?[/BLACKOUT]

Yeah, I can't wait for an HD blowup of that menagerie. It's a LOT bigger than what we saw in TDW.

And while a mod is changing the BDT thread title, it'd be nice to change the Lee Pace one as well. We already know that they're playing The Collector and Ronan respectively.....misleading thread titles are misleading.

 

[Loki882]

He looks like the alien love child of David Bowie and Liberace. For some reason, this works for me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love the quick shot in the new trailer. Both him and his place look great.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I await seeing the Collector makes a guest appearance on storage wars

LOL

The Collector is the universe's biggest hoarder.

 

[Hyde]

Betting five bucks that Star-Lord cracks a joke about how he should be called "The Hoarder" rather than The Collector

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

I'm sure the Collector is going to be a entertaining Villain.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Betting five bucks that Star-Lord cracks a joke about how he should be called "The Hoarder" rather than The Collector

LOL, I hope so. I would probably fall out of my seat laughing.

Speaking of hoarders... anyone here watch that show? That is some truly terrifying ****.

 

[LEOZZTT]

 

[Ms. Marvel]

*Honest trailer voice*

MUGATU!

 

[Levsky]

The Collector makes an impression of some diva or cosmic superstar. This came to my mind especially when he turned looking over his dark glasses in such a bad-ass way in trailer. But I don't dig an idea of him being Thanos in disguise as some of you imply. It would be intriguing, right, and surprising but combining these two into one character I would find a waste.

 

[Dev-El]

One of the many things marvel gets right is casting and Del Toro is a really great choice. If the collector is here does anyone think we'll see the other Elders of the Universe, like the Grand Master for example?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Could it be that Tivan is collecting the stones for something related to Adam Warlock?

 

[cherokeesam]

Could it be that Tivan is collecting the stones for something related to Adam Warlock?

Maybe; but doing Thanos' dirty work sounds more likely, especially considering his dialogue and demeanor in the TDW scene. He's shown to be pulling a fast one on the Asgardians, with obvious plans to double-cross Loki at some point to nab the Tesseract. "One down, five to go" shows he's been planning this for awhile now. His fawning sycophancy toward the Asgardian emissaries is replaced by bitter and sinister resolve after they leave.

This has Thanos/ IG/ Thanos Quest written all over it; I mean, how can it not? All other interpretations of this flies directly in the face of what is common Marvel lore of one of the biggest and most beloved epics in company history. I see no reason to believe that Marvel would rewrite that to undermine Thanos, and I see every reason to believe that everything in the Avenger movies, GOTG and Thor films is building Thanos and his Gauntlet quest up piece by piece.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Maybe; but doing Thanos' dirty work sounds more likely, especially considering his dialogue and demeanor in the TDW scene. He's shown to be pulling a fast one on the Asgardians, with obvious plans to double-cross Loki at some point to nab the Tesseract. "One down, five to go" shows he's been planning this for awhile now. His fawning sycophancy toward the Asgardian emissaries is replaced by bitter and sinister resolve after they leave.

This has Thanos/ IG/ Thanos Quest written all over it; I mean, how can it not? All other interpretations of this flies directly in the face of what is common Marvel lore of one of the biggest and most beloved epics in company history. I see no reason to believe that Marvel would rewrite that to undermine Thanos, and I see every reason to believe that everything in the Avenger movies, GOTG and Thor films is building Thanos and his Gauntlet quest up piece by piece.

I'm not suggesting they're not building towards the IG and Thanos. However, it still stands to mention Warlock's involvement and possession of the IG at various times in the comics.

The thought crossed my mind because in the stinger that cocoon (presumably Warlock's) is right in front of Tivan as he utters those words. I'm not fully convinced he's working for Thanos quite yet.

 

[The Endless]

The Collector won't be working for Thanos... I'll bet my life savings on it. Seriously. They are not allies in the comics, there is no reason to make them allies in the film.

Tivan will want the stones because... he's The Collector of rare things.

Thanos will want the stones because... well it doesn't need to be explained.

 

[cherokeesam]

The Collector won't be working for Thanos... I'll bet my life savings on it. Seriously. They are not allies in the comics, there is no reason to make them allies in the film.

Tivan will want the stones because... he's The Collector of rare things.

Thanos will want the stones because... well it doesn't need to be explained.

Notice the way even you hesitated to come up with that excuse for Tivan?

Again, it just doesn't make sense, when viewed against (a) the TDW scene and (b) the obvious canon take on Thanos and the gathering of the Gems. In TDW, just those few brief moments we see and hear from The Collector are enough to show that he has a very deliberate and single-minded purpose in gathering these six Stones specifically, and he's quietly gathering these Stones from Loki and Peter Quill without them even being remotely aware that they're playing right into his hands. That's Thanos-level skullduggery, not just some obsessive curator getting a new collection at random.

 

[Figs]

Maybe; but doing Thanos' dirty work sounds more likely, especially considering his dialogue and demeanor in the TDW scene. He's shown to be pulling a fast one on the Asgardians, with obvious plans to double-cross Loki at some point to nab the Tesseract. "One down, five to go" shows he's been planning this for awhile now. His fawning sycophancy toward the Asgardian emissaries is replaced by bitter and sinister resolve after they leave.

I have to disagree.

The Collector is ancient and some of his collection consists of items of power that he collected just to keep out of reach from others. I also don't believe in the fan theory that it's really Thanos this whole time. Also, didn't he tell the Asgardians to keep the Teseract because these items shouldn't stay together. If he were working for Thanos(or was Thanos in disguise)you would think he would have been more than happy to take both.

 

[Rock Sexton]

That's Thanos-level skullduggery, not just some obsessive curator getting a new collection at random.

Why? You got all of that from one sentence out of Tivan's mouth?

 

[The Endless]

That is the biggest reach i've ever head.

Go read Thanos Quest. The answers are right there in the comic. The Collector has one of the gems and he doesn't even know it's true purpose or power. He just knows it's incredibly rare. The same thing will happen here. He just wants to complete his COLLECTION.

There is absolutely zero link between The Collector and Thanos. It's dumber than the idea of Del Toro playing both of them.

 

[AlexanderLykins]

He's not working for Thanos. Anyone who's read a comic with The Collector would know this.

 

[Figs]

Hasn't cherokeesam been pushing this opinion since the after credit scene in Thor? I refuse to believe that's the route they would take this character...and if they did it would be moronic.

 

[Khonshu]

I could buy the concept that Thanos might "persuade" the Collector to pass along any rare gems... in exchange for his life.