The Dark Knight Rises The Box Office Thread

[Liam_H]

That would only make the OW take lower.

OW is only Fri-Sat-Sun. They didn't add up TF2's 5-day take and call it its OW. Neither did they do that for BB, which also opened on a Wednesday.

If WB is gunning for the weekend record, they'll open on Friday.

What's done is done. It's too late to convert TDKR to 3D and we'd all riot if they did anyway.

What I'm saying is the numbers will show that its extremely difficult for TDKR to top The Avenegrs on OW. So they'll give up on that and go for a 5 day haul. That way the media can't say they lost.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yep. It could be better than Knight but because it didn't reach the numbers of Avengers opening weekend, it'll be spin as "why didn't Batman beat Avengers"...which is nonsense because it never could. Not without 3D.

Avatar made two billion at the box office but alot of people still rank TDK above it. So ultimately it doesn't matter if TDKR falls short of a billion. If the TDKR tops TDK, then I doubt the public and general audience will care how much it makes. In fact, they rarely do.

 

[Anita18]

What I'm saying the numbers will show that its extremely difficult for TDKR to top The Avenegrs on OW. So they'll give up on that and go for a 5 day haul. That way the media can't say they lost.

The media might say they looked at Avengers and gave up. There's no way to win this, at least not until it gets some Oscars.

 

[joker1524]

its been a while since ive posted here guys but ive been lurking and checking up on things....i too feel that TDKR wont match TA OW..but it wont be no slouch either...it was great seeing the TDKR trailer get an overwhelming praise...honestly it was the first time i ever heard anybody cheer for any trailer...i was nervous at first because of the amount of marvel fans at the show but they loved it....spiderman got a pin drop...nobody really cared

 

[J.Howlett]

Avatar made two billion at the box office but alot of people still rank TDK above it. So ultimately it doesn't matter if TDKR falls short of a billion. If the TDKR tops TDK, then I doubt the public and general audience will care how much it makes. In fact, they rarely do.

In the long run, yes. During opening weekend, it would be perceived this way.

 

[Liam_H]

ASM could've been so awesome they just didn't have words for it.

 

[Micromind]

Let's first see if media compares Avengers' OW to TASM's OW.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

In the long run, yes. During opening weekend, it would be perceived this way.

No, it's not. In 2008 (long before my SHH account), the chatter wasn't about how much money TDK was making, not at all. It was about how great TDK was as a film.

When Avatar and Deathly Hallows Pt. 2 broke records, did analysts and critics suddenly downplay TDK? No.

So what are you worried about?

 

[Liam_H]

Let's first see if media compares Avengers' OW to TASM's OW.

They'd compare it to the Raimi trilogy in some way but they've already combat this by opening it up on a Tuesday.

 

[Micromind]

No, it's not. In 2008 (long before my SHH account), the chatter wasn't about how much money TDK was making, not at all. It was about how great TDK was as a film.

When Avatar and Deathly Hallows Pt. 2 broke records, did analysts and critics suddenly downplay TDK? No.

So what are you worried about?

News reporters classify both Avengers and TDKR as comic based movies that are in a same genre, hence the comparison.

 

[Iceman]

Let's first see if media compares Avengers' OW to TASM's OW.

I hope not!

 

[J.Howlett]

News reporters classify both Avengers and TDKR as comic based movies that are in a same genre, hence the comparison.

Yeah. That's all I'm saying. I'm not worried about anything. Great movies, better for us.

 

[Sith Scotti]

What I'm saying is the numbers will show that its extremely difficult for TDKR to top The Avenegrs on OW. So they'll give up on that and go for a 5 day haul. That way the media can't say they lost.

who bleeping cares . . Avengers has a 3d advantage and 9s geared to a family audience TDKR wioll be the film that gets a Best picture nomination . . Avengers may win the box office but TDKR will get the first comic book movie best pic nomination so both will get bragging rights . That's my call

 

[Filmmaster]

Nothing until Men in Black 3

i will laugh if MIB3's budget will be 1 Billion.

 

[Anita18]

In the long run, yes. During opening weekend, it would be perceived this way.

By the time the opening weekend is posted, it's probably too late for any negative news in the mainstream media to hurt it.

OW determines how much hype it has. TDKR will likely break presales records, which is one thing it has against Avengers, which had a lot of walk-up business. The fact that it sold out some IMAX theaters in JANUARY will probably be in some reports.

The multiplier from the OW determines how much it will make total. If the movie has good WOM from its audience, it will get a higher multiplier. I don't think any movie has gotten a crap multiplier because some news reports said it was a box office disappointment opening weekend. The multiplier is only determined by WOM as dictated by the people who have actually seen it.

Nolan has never directed a movie with a multiplier of less than 3. Even TDK had a multiplier of 3.3, which is AMAZING for a film that opened so big. I don't think we need to be worrying about TDKR's multiplier now.

I think we just don't want the news media to be saying anything negative about our beloved Batman, but I don't think he minds.

 

[joker1524]

i will laugh if MIB3's budget will be 1 Billion.

if bayformers can break a billion than anything is possible

 

[DoomsdayApex]

News reporters classify both Avengers and TDKR as comic based movies that are in a same genre, hence the comparison.

I understand that, but who cares if reporters compare the films? Grossing totals don't alter the public's opinion of a movie.

People here are too swept up on box office records/totals.

Do you think the crowds from last weekend will remember The Avengers as a 200 million OW movie? No. They'll remember the gorgeous final battle and great character moments.

Hell, as I remember it, TDK didn't diminish Iron Man's appeal as a stellar movie because of a billion dollars.

 

[DKDetective]

Yep. It could be better than Knight but because it didn't reach the numbers of Avengers opening weekend, it'll be spin as "why didn't Batman beat Avengers"...which is nonsense because it never could. Not without 3D.

This is why I hate 3d. On a level playing field, TDKR, if it is as good as suggested so far, would easily wear the crown. However, I don't think we should all despair yet. I remember how things were after Iron Man was released, there was a lot of TDK box office doubt and we all remember how that turned out...

 

[samsnee]

TA needed this record in order to validate Marvel's plan of having different movies leading up to this.

TDKR does not need an opening record. The hardcore anti-Marvel fans need it for bragging rights.

Quality-wise, both movies will hold up in my opinion. But here again, even if TDKR sweeps the Oscars, I don't think that takes away from the enjoyment of TA.

These kind of "us vs them" mentalities are self-destructive. We should want all quality comic-book movies to do well, as a rising tide lifts all boats. I'm sorry, if you honestly think that TA is not one of the top 5, if not top 3 comic book movies of all time, then there is no argument that will persuade you.

 

[Filmmaster]

**** 3d

 

[lililatigresse]

TA needed this record in order to validate Marvel's plan of having different movies leading up to this.

TDKR does not need an opening record. The hardcore anti-Marvel fans need it for bragging rights.

Quality-wise, both movies will hold up in my opinion. But here again, even if TDKR sweeps the Oscars, I don't think that takes away from the enjoyment of TA.

These kind of "us vs them" mentalities are self-destructive. We should want all quality comic-book movies to do well, as a rising tide lifts all boats. I'm sorry, if you honestly think that TA is not one of the top 5, if not top 3 comic book movies of all time, then there is no argument that will persuade you.

That's a great post.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

TA needed this record in order to validate Marvel's plan of having different movies leading up to this.

TDKR does not need an opening record. The hardcore anti-Marvel fans need it for bragging rights.

Quality-wise, both movies will hold up in my opinion. But here again, even if TDKR sweeps the Oscars, I don't think that takes away from the enjoyment of TA.

These kind of "us vs them" mentalities are self-destructive. We should want all quality comic-book movies to do well, as a rising tide lifts all boats. I'm sorry, if you honestly think that TA is not one of the top 5, if not top 3 comic book movies of all time, then there is no argument that will persuade you.

That's the point. If TDKR gets a Best Picture nod at The Oscars but fails to reach a billion dollars, does it make TDKR a lesser movie than The Avengers? No. If The Avengers continues to break box office records but fails to receive any awards, does it make the film a lesser one than TDKR? No.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Warning I SEE SPIDEY is going to say something and it's going to sound like she is some complaining Nolan fangirl but she isn't and often argues with those people because they annoy her:

Anyways, here is the deal, I think that The Avenger's keeps the opening weekend record and it should get major props for that. I mean it did mind blowingly amazing and has a shot at out grossing TDK in total. And if it does, good for it!

Still it's not a great movie to me, it's a good movie and it's tons of fun but it's not great and it's not at the top of my list for anything expect action scenes and entertainment value to be honest because it's too insubstantial. I can't see TDKR's out grossing The Avenger's domestically or internationally to be honest but I still see it doing well and most importantly I imagine it will be a better movie than The Avenger's because it will feel less studio influenced.

This post is not meant to be a Marvel v DC thing. I love both companies characters. And I liked the Avenger's I just think that TDKR's is going to be a better film and in the end that's what I care about. I wish I agreed with the sentiment that The Avenger's is the greatest comicbook movie or Marvel movie ever but I don't.

 

[Greens]

TA needed this record in order to validate Marvel's plan of having different movies leading up to this.

TDKR does not need an opening record. The hardcore anti-Marvel fans need it for bragging rights.

Quality-wise, both movies will hold up in my opinion. But here again, even if TDKR sweeps the Oscars, I don't think that takes away from the enjoyment of TA.

These kind of "us vs them" mentalities are self-destructive. We should want all quality comic-book movies to do well, as a rising tide lifts all boats. I'm sorry, if you honestly think that TA is not one of the top 5, if not top 3 comic book movies of all time, then there is no argument that will persuade you.

And that's exactly what's happening. The Avengers and TDKR will both make boat loads of money. It's great.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

who bleeping cares . . Avengers has a 3d advantage and 9s geared to a family audience TDKR wioll be the film that gets a Best picture nomination . . Avengers may win the box office but TDKR will get the first comic book movie best pic nomination so both will get bragging rights . That's my call

Yeah, but that's like being voted "MVP" for the season, but still losing the superbowl.