Yeah, I think I read somewhere that singer's inserting old unused footage from superman 2 so that'll be his new lines.
Yeah....that's been the huge rumor. Supposedly, Singer dug into WB's deep vault and found deleted footage that had never been used after Donner got fired and I think alot of stuff got cut out. I think I read that half of Superman II was filmed while filming Superman the Movie....so that could explain some stuff.
The problem I have with the Brando footage, if indeed it is the stuff Donner shot, is that it's using another man's work, Donner's vision.
Yeah, but I mean....c'mon.....that's like saying that Donner is a hack for using someone else's vision by making a Superman movie....after all, he didn't create Superman....
As an artist I would take particular offense if I found something I painted, wrote or filmed turning up in another person's project.
NOT if you gave your permission.....which Donner has. As an artist, I get you....but I think filming something is different territory when you talk about painting, drawing or designing.
Look, we've already established how Singer is paying homage to the original "STM" and how he's utilizing many themes and scenes from the first film. O.K. While that's not the way I would have done it, it's his baby and his choice so that's that.
That's the thing...Singer's "IT" is Donner's. He grew up with that. It's HIS definitive Superman.
Like BATMAN BEGINS is for me, so....if I ever got the chance to make a Batman film....chances are, I'd do a lot of the stuff that Batman Begins did....simply because it's the IT film for me....so think about that.
But when you start lifting a scene directly form another movie, authored by another director and actor, that's just wrong.
Not if the artist, or director in this case, gives permission....which Donner did.
I liken it to the way certain musicians "sample" other musicians music. Even if it's legal it isn't ethical.
Maybe back then....not anymore. That might be too old school rule of thought that is totally out the window in the music buissiness.
The artist should have enough pride and confidence in his own abilities not to have to steal or borrow from another artist.
C'mon....ALL artists borrow or steal atleast a LITTLE of something....even if they're not aware of it. Nobody is completely original anymore....I'm an artist and trust me....it's like that. Even if it's something like a style....or an idea for an origin...or anything. All artists seek inspiration.....which some people would call "stealing" or "borrowing".
I have issues with this movie, for sure, but good or bad, I would prefer Singer veering away from the original and trying something new. I would respect him more for it.
Not if the film is good. If it's good, that's all that counts.
You'd be right to if it happened without your knowledge. But Singer checked with Donner first and got the okay to do it, same as the Fortress visuals.
Yup.
And artists always, since the beginning of time, have stolen and borrowed from other artists. That's part of art itself, and always has been, and always will be. Repurposing what you see into your own interpretation has been done since Shakespeare, and the tradition has been carried on ever since, both in writing and in music. I'm very highly certain a fair amount of your favorite artists (singers, directors, writers, artists) can be accused of "Stealing" from other artists to create their own vision of the world, and I'd argue that more often than not they're better for it.
****in Yes.....your on top of things.
Examples of a director using another director's footage in order to amp up his film's power?
Ridley Scott - using Stanley Kubricks shots from "The Shining" in Blade Runner
Stephen Soderbergh - Using Ken Loach's "Poor Cow" for parts of Terence Stamp's performance in "The Limey"
I didn't know that..but there ya go.
But the really good ones change just enough so that their source or inspiration isn't so obvious.
Well, in terms of how deep you go....it CAN be obvious. Since this is a Superman movie...it's obvious to us since we pick and nick at everything....so yes, to us. For most...it might not be. If you check mosts artists and dig deep....the inspirations would become obvious.
C'mon....you NEVER hear anyone bad mouthing the Led....so yeah, he's right...MOST people don't care. They are legends...and honestly, that's the first time I've ever heard about the album stealing. If it were a big problem...more people would hate on them for it.