BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[Sleiek]

So I watched it yesterday night.And I ****ing loved it.
Its weird though,I had read all the spoilers and I knew what was coming.Yet,this version of the film hit me the hardest emotionally.For a big Superman fan like me,the biggest thing Im happy about is they did his death justice.The ending was really good.
The thing this cut changed for me was,I used to tell people "I know its flawed,but I love BvS",now I can say "I love BvS".

Now I am even more pumped to watch the UC. The best thing about BvS is that it was an emotional movie for me. I empathized with almost every single major character.

 

[combocaz]

Much more fleshed out scenes that make sense of alot of things especially with how lex set the whole bvs up. Would be interesting to see if this version changes the views of people who hated the movie.

 

[gerrym51]

To put in perspective what additional scenes and a re-cut can do for a movie.

I purchased the Richard donner re-cut of Superman II. Donner had been fired 1/2 thru the second movie and the new director made several changes from Donners original script. Scenes and concepts were added and other things removed. Some footage Donner did were not used

The end result is that it seemed like an entirely new movie to me.

The ultimate cut might have a similiar result

 

[Tyrone Parker]

I already think The TC is a masterpiece and I really want to get the EC but I just hate Blurays personally and I don't know why it's not in DVD.

Are the additions really that significant even if you get what Snyder was trying to do in the TC in the first place??

You must really love that 480p picture quality.

 

[gerrym51]

You must really love that 480p picture quality.

we'll i'd have to buy a blu-ray player myself

 

[KillerMcQueen]

we'll i'd have to buy a blu-ray player myself

They aren't exactly expensive anymore though.

 

[Longshot777]

You must really love that 480p picture quality.

Lol no it's just when I got bluray when Avengers came out, it glitches and takes too long to load while DVDs never let me down and my superhero collection has big DVDs cases and 3 small bluray cases which is so uneven to my O.C.D. and vowed I'll just collect DVDs since digital HD will make bluray obsolete anyways. That is why the Xmen Rogue Cut DVD is more expensive than Bluray. Physical wise, bluray still can't make DVDs obsolete the way DVDs made VHS obsolete. DVDs and Blurays will die together at same time killed by Digital HD.

Anyways, when Clark was investigating Batman, did the people in Gotham actually seen Batman??? Or was he an urban legend?? And just started to be visible when Superman became public?? I thought he was in the shadows for 20 years when that cop Was shocked saying that was the first time he actually saw The Batman.

 

[morningmimosa]

It's pretty clear that people know he exists, he's definitly more than just an urban legend. Furthermore, the GCPD works or has worked with him in the past as shown in that caricature on the counter at the GCPD (which was very nicely done btw) and the existence of a bat signal.

The UC is definitly a lot better then the TC. As others have said before the scene transition is way smoother, the plot has more room to breathe in and plot points like Clark investigating in Gotham or the subplot with the African incident and the witness show the characters' motivation better.

 

[Bane Cook]

Really like the UC a lot. Only thing I would change(that's in the realm of possibility) is I would move that stupid Justice League scene to another part of the film or maybe as a post credit scene. It's placement in the film makes no sense.

 

[X Knight]

for those who have seen the UC.

does it show or make clear what happens to that African Warlord that Supes speed blitzes at the beginning? Does it make clear he is still alive?

Also, what is up with the missile that looks to be fired upon the village? Does Superman stop it?

 

[Jack Ups]

for those who have seen the UC.

does it show or make clear what happens to that African Warlord that Supes speed blitzes at the beginning? Does it make clear he is still alive?

Also, what is up with the missile that looks to be fired upon the village? Does Superman stop it?

No. The warlord is pretty much toast, though I dont love Superman breaking the guy, he is a warlord and in this world thats enough.

and Jimmy gets shot, the government back at HQ flip out and send a drone out to blow whoever killed Jimmy and superman intervenes due to Lois being there. It add to Lex's plot that even the Government really aren't sure whats going on.

 

[NateHevens]

Much more fleshed out scenes that make sense of alot of things especially with how lex set the whole bvs up. Would be interesting to see if this version changes the views of people who hated the movie.

I hated the TC.

I think the Extended Cut is better, but I still don't like it... it only fixed a few of the problems I had with the film, but nowhere near all of them.

You wanna know something sad, though? Despite how much I hated the TC, I preordered the BluRay for the extended cut. I kinda wish I could cancel it, but it's too late, now. And Dad liked the movie so much that I honestly might just gift it to him... or I'll keep it if Justice League is good and makes me want to have all the Justice League films (I'll finally get Man of Steel if that's the case).

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I hated the TC.

I think the Extended Cut is better, but I still don't like it... it only fixed a few of the problems I had with the film, but nowhere near all of them.

Agreed. It like putting a plaster on a huge bloody wound lol.

 

[matt47]

More thoughts and things that are really sticking out(things I didn't mention in previous posts) as to why I prefer the cut, so much more...

- The Library party scene is miles better, in this cut. The driving force of it is and should be Bruce and Clark Interacting/Bruce getting data of off Lex's Servers/Diana being mysterious. Lex's is speech is supposed to be aimless rambling, we're not supposed to hear most of it, as we're supposed to be focusing on what the other characters are doing. Somehow, inexplicably, the theatrical cut focuses on Lex's Speech, in a way that fixates us on it and leaves us puzzled. The Ultimate cut reverses the issue and cuts straight to Bruce on his mission right after Lex gets on stage. The only time we focus back on Lex dialogue is during the better parts of that speech, when we're being shown that Lex is so in his head, it's making him nuts..."Knowledge and Power are paradoxical..etc.". Overall the focus on the heroes gives the scene momentum and energy. I love those shoes, now I really love this scene.

Nothings changed in the Library scene.

 

[gdw]

Looks like they fixed the glitch on Cineplex' site.

How so?
What glitch are you referring to?

 

[AnneFan]

Agreed. It like putting a plaster on a huge bloody wound lol.

Righto.

 

[Willi Berg]

Nothings changed in the Library scene.

It might just be the different audio level quality of the different copies of the movie floating around, unless they changed the audio levels throughout that scene.

You wanna know something sad, though? Despite how much I hated the TC, I preordered the BluRay for the extended cut. I kinda wish I could cancel it, but it's too late, now. And Dad liked the movie so much that I honestly might just gift it to him... or I'll keep it if Justice League is good and makes me want to have all the Justice League films (I'll finally get Man of Steel if that's the case).

Lol no it's just when I got bluray when Avengers came out, it glitches and takes too long to load while DVDs never let me down and my superhero collection has big DVDs cases and 3 small bluray cases which is so uneven to my O.C.D. and vowed I'll just collect DVDs since digital HD will make bluray obsolete anyways. That is why the Xmen Rogue Cut DVD is more expensive than Bluray. Physical wise, bluray still can't make DVDs obsolete the way DVDs made VHS obsolete. DVDs and Blurays will die together at same time killed by Digital HD.

For me the dilemma is that there is the 4K version and there is the 3D one and I don't know which I prefer - unless I buy both.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Now I am even more pumped to watch the UC. The best thing about BvS is that it was an emotional movie for me. I empathized with almost every single major character.

Im super pumped for the UC, too, can't wait. But, I watched Man Of Steel the other day, probably like the fifth time I've watched it, but, Idk, maybe after having seen BvS (in the theater once) I felt a much stronger emotional connection to the character of Superman.



I'm not a fan of a lot of the criticism leveled at these films, I understand people's criticisms, I just wish they were a little more open to allowing DC to tell the kind of story they are telling. We all love these characters, or at least certain iterations. I grew up loving Superman going back before I have memories. Seeing Batman '89 in theaters is one of my earliest memories. I've always seen Superman as this big, serious leader with a moral code and he always makes the right choice. I'm really enjoying seeing this more humanized version, a regular guy that you can relate to and empathize with, he's still got that courage and that big heart, but he's struggling with his decisions, trying to become the idealized version of himself. I'm about to turn 30 years old, and I feel the exact same way.


I appreciate this version of the character, I think it's a great dynamic of having Batman as the older, more experienced, more cynical guy that Superman brings back from the dark side. I feel like sometimes people's expectations for the character might not make for the best story. Why jump straight into the confident leader, black and white Superman? That's like starting The Godfather off from the final scene of Godfather II. It's more interesting to see how he becomes that.

 

[Kane52630]

UC is better than the TC, but ffs, it's 3 hours long. It's a 3 hours Batman/Superman movie. Some stuff is much better than the TC (UC elucidates the whole Africe situation), but the heart of the movie stays the same: it's cynical as ****. It's boring. There's no sense of awe or wonder on this thing (except maybe for WW's appearance).

Exactly.

So for the time it takes people to watch the UC of BvS, I can watch The World's Finest animated movie 3 times back to back with a much better story?

 

[idiot09]

^^wnjcwjkk,you make a very good point about jumping straight into evolved version of the character.I shared this quote from Snyder in another thread,i'll do it here because it touches on what you are kind of saying.He is talking about how a very hard decision can make the characters grow :

"And it’s the only way to move forward with a hero, because otherwise the hero drowns in the mire of his own morality, in that he never can go forward, he never can evolve. He becomes an allegory, he’s a lesson, like, “This is the way to be, kids,” not a real story. He becomes like one of the Ten Commandments. He’s not like an actual person.So you give him a real-world scenario, and that’s when we all grow up."

 

[Jaxon]

^^wnjcwjkk,you make a very good point about jumping straight into evolved version of the character.I shared this quote from Snyder in another thread,i'll do it here because it touches on what you are kind of saying.He is talking about how a very hard decision can make the characters grow :

"And it’s the only way to move forward with a hero, because otherwise the hero drowns in the mire of his own morality, in that he never can go forward, he never can evolve. He becomes an allegory, he’s a lesson, like, “This is the way to be, kids,” not a real story. He becomes like one of the Ten Commandments. He’s not like an actual person.So you give him a real-world scenario, and that’s when we all grow up."

It's the template for the MCU. Barely a character has changed and if they have it's done in the space of 30 mins (Thor, IM) but nothing impactful. Bores me to tears.

 

[idiot09]

It's the template for the MCU. Barely a character has changed and if they have it's done in the space of 30 mins (Thor, IM) but nothing impactful. Bores me to tears.

Although I may have a similar opinion,I dont think its a good idea to bring up the MCU here.Lets just stick to the movie we liked,BvS

 

[idiot09]

I think both Marvel movies and DC movies have a place.I like Marvel movies for what they are,I love DC movies for what they are.They shouldnt be compared.I think one are comedy/action movies and one is drama/action so...both can co-exist peacefully and I dont think neither is copying one another or anything.

However this is about BvS UC.Can anyone tell me how many hours till its actually released and when is the screening?

 

[JangoNate]

It might just be the different audio level quality of the different copies of the movie floating around, unless they changed the audio levels throughout that scene.





For me the dilemma is that there is the 4K version and there is the 3D one and I don't know which I prefer - unless I buy both.

Having that dilemma, too, but going digital for 4K tomorrow and picking up the 3D later in July. Going to tap into some Dolby Vision goodness tomorrow night!

 

[DanielT]

SPOILER ALERT

Spoiler

Batman vs Superman Extended Cut Scenes

The footage between the theatrical and extended cut differs not only in the added content, but in the various scene-to-scene transitions as well. The order of the various scenes is also re-arranged, often appearing earlier or later compared to those in the theatrical cut.

So it is not just simply dropping previously cut out footage back into the theatrical cut at various points.

That being said, the narrative flows more smoothly in the extended cut and the proceedings feel less rushed compared to the original theatrical release.

Superman's story is now more fleshed out and it stands shoulder to shoulder with the tale of the Dark Knight. More light is also shed on Lex Luthor's work behind the scenes, adding an extra layer to complexity to his character.

There are a few seconds added here and there in various instances, such as Bruce Wayne encountering more survivors in the dust filled carnage of Metropolis' destruction. These short scene extensions provide more narrative exposition, but do not alter the story in significant ways.

However, there are much longer restored scenes that add much needed depth to the plot. Those notable additions are described below:

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00:11:25
Nairomi, Africa (Extended Scene)
Lois meets up with her replacement photographer who, unknown to her, is actually a CIA undercover operative. They link up with General Amajagh's men who then blindfold them before they are taken to the General's secret village hideout. Lois's interview with the General is slightly longer in the extended cut. After the undercover operative is discovered and killed, the CIA panics and decides to send in an armed Reaper drone to finish off the General.

Meanwhile, the mercs acting under Lex's orders start to execute the General's bodyguards and burn their bodies. In the midst of gunfire and grenade explosions, the General grabs Lois and holds her hostage.

The waiting CIA ground force objects to the decision to send in the drone due to the presence of non-combatants (including Lois), which would result in collateral damage. The ground force then defies the CIA's orders to stand down and immediately proceeds to the General's hideout on horseback. Unfortunately, the faster airborne Reaper drone manages to overtake the ground force.

The mercs leave the General's hideout just in time as the armed drone approaches. The CIA launches a hellfire at the building where the General is hiding (and has taken Lois hostage). This is followed by two explosions as Superman destroys both the missile and the drone in mid-flight. The CIA are puzzled at the sudden loss of contact with their drone, but the mercs know that Superman has taken the bait.

Supes saves Lois, who later emerges unharmed from the building as the ground force arrives to secure the site. Wailing women rush out into the open village courtyard and they point angrily at the burned bodies that could no longer be given a proper burial. Lois tries to comfort a grieving woman, but to no avail. She then picks up her notebook from the debris as the ground force looks on.

The scene then cuts to Kahina Ziri who testifies against Superman at a hearing chaired by Senator Finch.

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00:33:40
Clark's Apartment (Altered Scene)
Clark watches the news on TV as he cooks his breakfast. In the theatrical cut, the news report is "Gotham Bat's Dark Brand of Justice" about the criminal who is branded earlier by Batman. This is replaced with a news interview of Kahina Ziri, who earlier testified against Superman in the presence of Senator Finch.

In both instances, Clark ponders on the news report, but Clark's main focus has shifted away from the brutality of Batman (In the original theatrical cut) to Supes' own actions in Africa.

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00:36:38
Kahina Ziri's Apartment (New Scene)
When Wayne Industries ex-employee Wallace Keefe's failed attempt to defile the Superman monument appears on TV, Daily Planet's Perry White wants to run a news headline with it. This prompts Clark to pay a visit to Kahina Ziri at her apartment in Gotham. However, he later finds out from the residents that she no longer stays there.

An elderly man warns Clark to stay off the streets at night because someone is angry and that he is hunting. The man then shows Clark a picture of the Dark Knight's signature trademark.

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00:55:48
Clark's Apartment (New Scene)
After watching Senator Finch's interview on TV, a self doubting Clark picks up the phone and calls her mother at Smallville, waking her up in the middle of the night. Martha then gives Clark some reassuring advice that any concerned parent would.

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00:56:42
Forensics Lab / Daily Planet / Lockup (New Scene)
Lois brings the hi-tech bullet that she has found earlier, embedded in her paper notebook during the incident in Africa, to a ballistics expert (Rumor: Barbara Gordon) for analysis.

Meanwhile, over at the Daily Planet, Clark continues his research on the Bat-Brand that is considered as a death sentence for Gotham City inmates, specifically the notorious Blackgate Penitentiary.

The next scene shows the criminal who has been bat-branded earlier, is transferred out from the local inmate lockup to another prison. Much to the inmate's strong, but ultimately futile objections that he would most certainly be killed over there.

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00:59:10
Prison (New Scene)
Anatoli Knyazev, the lead Russian merc who works for Lex Luthor, arranges for the bat-branded inmate's killing to be carried out by another inmate during the prisoner visiting hours. Soon after, the latter acting on the Anatoli's instructions, proceeds to kill the marked inmate inside the prison exercise yard.

This ties in nicely with a later scene (which is also present in the theatrical cut) where Clark receives a package at the Daily Planet. Inside the package is the newspaper clipping on the Bat's brutality and photos of the now deceased marked inmate. This clearly shows that Clark is being manipulated by Lex Luthor through a series of well orchestrated events; which are carefully designed to get Supes, in the midst of his own troubles, to start turning against the Dark Knight.

Supes turning against Batman is a gradual process happening over a period of time. The extended cut gives Clark the opportunity to shine as an investigative reporter who does his own research and doesn't jump to conclusions quickly. However, it is his willingness to go beyond the extra mile to help those in need that Lex Luthor is counting on and it is exploited.

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01:04:50
Bruce Wayne Dream Sequence (Extended Scene)
The Dark Knight's nightmarish vision of a post apocalyptic future where Supes rules supreme is longer in the extended cut. A pacing more consistent with a 3 hour movie. Less rushed moments is good. And more of Bruce Wayne's feverish horror is even better.

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01:12:36
Prison / Street (New Scene)
Clark pays a visit to the prison where the bat-branded inmate is killed and tries to get more information from the duty officers. As he is turned away at the counter, he spots the emotionally distraught girlfriend of the deceased inmate about to leave with a child in tow. She explains to Clark that the guards don't care about the well being of the inmates, and there is nothing Clark could do to change what has already happened.

This then drives Supes to confront the Dark Knight during the film's batmobile chase sequence.

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01:23:02
Public Bus / Senator Finch's Office (New Scene)
Kahina Ziri, who has testified against Superman earlier on, is heading home to her new apartment when she spots the Russian merc, Anatoli Knyazev, hanging out in the street talking to the locals. Fearing for her life, Kahina pays a visit to Senator Finch. When the Senator hears a heated argument outside her office, she steps out and Kahina confesses that she is not entirely truthful during the initial hearing.

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01:25:32
Metropolis City Hall (New Scene)
While Lois is on her way to the congressional hearing where Superman is due to attend, she makes an urgent call to Perry White. She tries to convince him to run an immediate news flash about the conspiracy that has happened earlier in Nairomi, Africa.

Lois informs Perry that her anonymous source (ex-General Swanwick) confirms that the mercs, who are armed and paid by Lex Corp, are directly responsible for that heinous crime.

Lois is convinced that Supes would not plead guilty at the hearing, once the truth breaks out in the news. However, Perry insists on having conclusive evidence and he refuses to publish a story which might put the Daily Planet's reputation at risk.

Meanwhile, a furious Senator Finch has learned about the truth from Kahina Ziri that Lex Luthor is using the committee as a puppet to achieve his own goals. As she heads down the hallway towards the conference room with her aide, Lex suddenly appears and greets her (This is where the original theatrical cut picks up).

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01:27:34
Metropolis Subway (New Scene)
The merc, Anatoli Knyazev spots Kahina Ziri at the subway station waiting for the train to arrive. She feels that something is amiss and turns around to see Anatoli standing right behind her. He immediately pushes her onto the tracks of the incoming train and she is killed instantly.

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01:31:40
Metropolis City Hall (New Scene)
In the aftermath of the bombing at the congressional hearing, Supes ferry those who are still alive to the city hall steps to be aided by paramedics. Dozens of bodies lay covered in canvas.

Supes then looks towards Lois at a distance, who like the rest of the public, is barred from entering the incident zone. Their eyes meet briefly before a clearly upset Supes takes to the air and disappears.

Unfortunately, it only fuels more media speculation and Supes is now blamed by the masses as a possible co-conspirator for the bombing.

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01:42:56
Lois Lane / Wallace Keefe's Apartment (New Scene)
Lois watches the news report on TV about the confiscation of bomb making materials at the late Wallace Keefe's apartment and she decides to visit the crime scene. She later discovers that Keefe's refrigerator is still stocked up with fresh groceries and she realizes that he is not suicidal, contrary to what the seized evidence might suggest.

The ballistics expert also informs Lois that the hidden compartment in Keefe's wheelchair is lined up with lead. Lois is convinced that it is to prevent Supes from seeing the bomb during the congressional hearing.

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02:41:15
Kryptonian Scout Ship (New Scene)
A Metropolis SWAT team breaches the crashed scout ship to arrest Lex Luthor. They find him in the Kryptonian birthing matrix with an alien looking creature holding three boxes. Both the creature and the boxes then disappear, and Lex is taken into custody.