BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[Lantern Venom]

My biggest problem is I feel like I don't know Clark at all. What his life was like growing up before he was Kal-El. What are his likes and dislikes? His hopes and dreams? I honestly couldn't quote a single line he says in MOS besides the horrible "YOU'RE A MONSTER ZOD AND I'M GONNA STOP YOU."

"YOU THINK YOU CAN THREATEN MY MOTHER?"

That's my favorite line that Supes has ever said on the big screen.

 

[Sleiek]

Me too.. I was totally into that scene because of that dialogue. I can't remember another scene where he was totally mad.

 

[The Batman]

Wasnt Batman in his prime in TDK ?

Um, no. He makes the type of mistakes you only see a rookie Batman make. He underestimates the Joker. He thinks that all he has to do is take out the mob, then he can retire and settle down. He doesn't realize he has an obsession with being Batman. The whole film is about him understanding the full responsibility of being Batman. A Batman in his prime wouldn't have these kinds of problems.

Also, either Nolan or Bale described Nolan Batman as still being in "Year One" mode during TDK.

Pine was all Kirk at the end of ST and all thru ITD.

I would not say he was "all Kirk" at all.

 

[Monochron]

1. Of all the things you know of Superman, why would you say he slammed someone in the wall? Superman would have broken the wall first and the man flew threw with Superman. Superman even said he didn't kill anyone in Africa. I grow tired of that silly complaint.

Given how much emphasis Snyder puts into the realistic portrayals of Superman's powers the guy was dead the moment he was picked up. A regular human body doesn't survive going from zero to however ridiculously fast it was when Superman grabbed him.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Given how much emphasis Snyder puts into the realistic portrayals of Superman's powers the guy was dead the moment he was picked up. A regular human body doesn't survive going from zero to however ridiculously fast it was when Superman grabbed him.

You gotta have suspension of disbelief somewhere, otherwise we might as well never see Flash save anyone moving forward. His main way of doing it would surely kill most people lol.

 

[Sleiek]

You gotta have suspension of disbelief somewhere, otherwise we might as well never see Flash save anyone moving forward. His main way of doing it would surely kill most people lol.

I know. Everytime I see an episode of The Flash, a part of me starts thinking about the laws of physics.

 

[Monochron]

You gotta have suspension of disbelief somewhere, otherwise we might as well never see Flash save anyone moving forward. His main way of doing it would surely kill most people lol.

It's one of the side-effects of emphasising realism. These things have to be considered. It's the whole reason the Speed Force was created.

 

[The Shape]

Batman in TDK was not on the level of "Batman in his prime" from the comics or "Batgod". However, for the limited career that Batman had in the Nolan films in terms of how long he was active, I would say that TDK represents his "prime".

 

[Lantern Venom]

Me too.. I was totally into that scene because of that dialogue. I can't remember another scene where he was totally mad.

That totally humanized Superman. In that moment, he wasn't the protector of the Earth or even the last son of Krypton. He was just a hacked off farm boy ready to lay the smackdown.

 

[souperman]

That and how with each film, they're always saying something to the effect of "Ok, guys! Now, he's gonna be the Bond you know and love!"

I was slightly making jest of the argument used for this Superman among some fans that the next film is going to be with the one "We know and love."

Did you not like the Craig Bonds? I did. I of course love the Connery Bond and even Moore for the 70's, at the time. Bronson and Daltry were fun to watch at the time too, having no other Bond to enjoy, but I really like the Craig Bond. It's fun and exciting and a little more believable than most of the ones past Goldfinger !

 

[Lencho01]

Did you not like the Craig Bonds? I did. I of course love the Connery Bond and even Moore for the 70's, at the time. Bronson and Daltry were fun to watch at the time too, having no other Bond to enjoy, but I really like the Craig Bond. It's fun and exciting and a little more believable than most of the ones past Goldfinger !

I liked them enough. I'm just amused how long of an origin story it is. One in which at one point, they talk of how he's too old for the job too. They were at ABC and then jumped to XYZ.

 

[souperman]

I know. Everytime I see an episode of The Flash, a part of me starts thinking about the laws of physics.

a mind is a terrible thing...

 

[souperman]

I liked them enough. I'm just amused how long of an origin story it is. One in which at one point, they talk of how he's too old for the job too. They were at ABC and then jumped to XYZ.

I don't see them as all origin stories as much as an ongoing connected story sort of like what the DCEU is trying to do. Bond IS evolving thru the arc.

I do agree that they did seem to jump a bit from Bond being in his prime and starting to him being over the hill after a few years...but then again, double Os don't have very long life spans and this Bond really has gotten beat up a lot more than others. He's much more physical to date.

 

[souperman]

Um, no. He makes the type of mistakes you only see a rookie Batman make. He underestimates the Joker. He thinks that all he has to do is take out the mob, then he can retire and settle down. He doesn't realize he has an obsession with being Batman. The whole film is about him understanding the full responsibility of being Batman. A Batman in his prime wouldn't have these kinds of problems.

Also, either Nolan or Bale described Nolan Batman as still being in "Year One" mode during TDK.

The kind of Batman you describe is boring! After TDK, he is a physical wreck, so he was in his prime. He may have made some mistakes but he wins out! That's the point. He overcame and conquered. In TDKR he overcomes again and regains his strength and resolve. Why is this bad?


I would not say he was "all Kirk" at all.

He did all the Kirkish things including sacrificing his life for his crew...He was a brilliant, witty ladies man who loves to fight...the only thing I'm not sure if he did yet is the flying double leg kick ! Pretty Kirkish to me.

 

[Lencho01]

I don't see them as all origin stories as much as an ongoing connected story sort of like what the DCEU is trying to do. Bond IS evolving thru the arc.

I do agree that they did seem to jump a bit from Bond being in his prime and starting to him being over the hill after a few years...but then again, double Os don't have very long life spans and this Bond really has gotten beat up a lot more than others. He's much more physical to date.

That's just how I feel about their approach. Too much "We're going to get him there" for my tastes. I would've left it at CR (and QoS if you view it as part of CR).

But, to tie it into this version of Superman, I get the same amusement from the "Next time, guys" stance. "It was his first day in MOS!" Ok, fine. But, then they go straight into Death of Superman. Such a weird approach to me for any character, let alone this version of Superman.

I still don't understand how WB let that fly and Snyder's reason for it makes no sense whatsoever to me. But, it's not my money being spent to make these films and I'm not a studio exec nor a businessman. Those guys went to school for that and I'm sure they had a fine education. t:

 

[Doctor Octopus]

You gotta have suspension of disbelief somewhere, otherwise we might as well never see Flash save anyone moving forward. His main way of doing it would surely kill most people lol.

lol you must do that for most of movie. You must force to believe Batman could have stupid reasons he had to kill Superman. You must force believe that Lex Luthor is believable as Schumacher type campy villain. You must force believe Cavill version is supposed to be Superman when he almost nothing like him. You must force believe in stupid Martha scene.

 

[souperman]

That's just how I feel about their approach. Too much "We're going to get him there" for my tastes. I would've left it at CR (and QoS if you view it as part of CR).

But, to tie it into this version of Superman, I get the same amusement from the "Next time, guys" stance. "It was his first day in MOS!" Ok, fine. But, then they go straight into Death of Superman. Such a weird approach to me for any character, let alone this version of Superman.

I still don't understand how WB let that fly and Snyder's reason for it makes no sense whatsoever to me. But, it's not my money being spent to make these films and I'm not a studio exec nor a businessman. Those guys went to school for that and I'm sure they had a fine education. t:

Funny.t:

They are mostly throwing spaghetti at the wall and dressing hair !

I've said it before and my thinking is that WB and Snyder must have believed the world was ready !

They saw that their last approach to the character in SR was only moderately successful and criticized for being the BBS (boring Boy Scout). I thought it was a modernized Donner film (which it was) with modern effects. It was good as far as that went.

They must have felt they could do more with it to bring it down to earth and make it more relatable. It worked for me because I was getting a little tired of the same old and this was different and refreshing.

I don't mind the wait for the payoff as long as they make enough bank to make the next one...I'm good with it.

 

[Lencho01]

Funny.t:

They are mostly throwing spaghetti at the wall.

I've said it before and my thinking is that WB and Snyder must have believed the world was ready !

They saw that their last approach to the character in SR was only moderately successful and criticized for being the BBS (boring Boy Scout). I thought it was a modernized Donner film (which it was) with modern effects. It was good as far as that went.

They must have felt they could do more with it to bring it down to earth and make it more relatable. It worked for me because I was getting a little tired of the same old and this was different and refreshing.

I don't mind the wait for the payoff as long as they make enough bank to make the next one...I'm good with it.

Felt more like they saw the success of one character and didn't fully understand why it was so and tried to apply it to another. And in all that they allowed Snyder to do whatever he wanted. I mean looking at it just another IP and comparing it to how others have been treated, how do not try to build it up after years of false starts (or things not going as well as they wanted) and make it something that audiences would be fond of and then kill him? We all know he's coming back, but it's still baffling to me.

Yeah, and then they pretty much went ahead and copied the Donner films again anyway.

The whole relatable thing is still odd to me. Like none of these characters are all that more relatable to me than any other. I may not live the lives that they do, but as characters, I can understand their decisions and who they are. They all have powers and tools I don't have and it's pretty obvious they'll always win (sometimes at a cost). They're just entertaining.

Frankly, I don't see much of a payoff happening. At least not one that feels organic. So, as always, I'll be waiting for the reboot and just hope someone wants to and is able to do a better job.

 

[souperman]

You dont even have to infer it.Clark said it himself.

"If I wanted it,you would be dead already".

That's right idiot!


Sorry couldn't resist. ; )

 

[souperman]

Felt more like they saw the success of one character and didn't fully understand why it was so and tried to apply it to another. And in all that they allowed Snyder to do whatever he wanted. I mean looking at it just another IP and comparing it to how others have been treated, how do not try to build it up after years of false starts (or things not going as well as they wanted) and make it something that audiences would be fond of and then kill him? We all know he's coming back, but it's still baffling to me.

Yeah, and then they pretty much went ahead and copied the Donner films again anyway.

The whole relatable thing is still odd to me. Like none of these characters are all that more relatable to me than any other. I may not live the lives that they do, but as characters, I can understand their decisions and who they are. They all have powers and tools I don't have and it's pretty obvious they'll always win (sometimes at a cost). They're just entertaining.

Frankly, I don't see much of a payoff happening. At least not one that feels organic. So, as always, I'll be waiting for the reboot and just hope someone wants to and is able to do a better job.

How old are you? You may have a long wait! ; )

 

[Lencho01]

How old are you? You may have a long wait! ; )

Old enough to have seen many versions of Superman before this one. Thus, many more will come after. Plus, we're already getting one on TV at the same time. So, hopefully that version is more up my alley (as I expect it to be).

EDIT: But, I think that's enough talk about all this. More on the BvS UC stuff.

 

[The Joker]

Old enough to have seen many versions of Superman before this one. Thus, many more will come after. Plus, we're already getting one on TV at the same time. So, hopefully that version is more up my alley (as I expect it to be).

Well lets face it, it can't get much worse than what the DCEU is currently offering.

 

[obredaan]

Funny.t:

They are mostly throwing spaghetti at the wall and dressing hair !

I've said it before and my thinking is that WB and Snyder must have believed the world was ready !

They saw that their last approach to the character in SR was only moderately successful and criticized for being the BBS (boring Boy Scout). I thought it was a modernized Donner film (which it was) with modern effects. It was good as far as that went.

They must have felt they could do more with it to bring it down to earth and make it more relatable. It worked for me because I was getting a little tired of the same old and this was different and refreshing.

I don't mind the wait for the payoff as long as they make enough bank to make the next one...I'm good with it.

I think this is sort of the problem WB has with Superman. The Donner film is the staple to which the character will always be held up against. The film is that good and Reeves is that good in the role that he's defined it for generations of fans. Now the issue WB seems to be facing is they want to runaway from that character but still keep all the elements in place. Slightly changing things up a bit to make it more modern. And that's why they've failed to connect with audiences. Superman is a hero of a bygone era and thus trying to bring him into the modern era while de-constructing him has left many scratching their heads as to why any of us should care about this Superman?

Many have brought up the Superman beating down Zod scene out of anger for his mother. For some, this made Superman more human. For me, it made Superman feel irresponsible as the entire fight leads to half of Smallville being smashed over Superman's anger. Now, had the film bothered to tackle the issue of Superman controlling his anger and made it a point that his anger can lead to terrible results than the fight would mean something. Ultimately, its just a big action piece with little character development. If the scene had added a moment of reflection where Superman realizes that his losing control leads to carnage, than the scene would have a layer to it that would allow Superman to question himself and how to use his powers.

 

[Lily Adler]

I like beets cause they're good and make you pee red!!!!!!! REEEEED!

 

[kguillou]

I'll be completely honest, I damn near cheered at the "YOU THINK. YOU CAN THREATEN MY MOTHER!" scene. I can definitely understand the viewpoint that it was a big, reckless action scene for action's sake but I don't care. I had been waiting forever to see Superman get angry and throw down and I just really connected with how Superman came to his mother's defense like that. It's what I would have done and what I would have said to Zod.