BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[STARMAN]

Snyder shepherd the entire process from beginning to end. He's ultimately responsible.

 

[The Batman]

I see once again you have avoided my question.

I'm not avoiding it. I'm ignoring it. Your questions have no relevance to me. I was disputing the silly notion that Snyder isn't responsible for how long the script was. That's it.

 

[idiot09]

I'm not avoiding it. I'm ignoring it. Your questions have no relevance to me. I was disputing the silly notion that Snyder isn't responsible for how long the script was. That's it.

You said :
"Snyder can take the blame for making a three hour film in the first place"

Implying making a 3hr movie is something wrong.

Thats why my following question :

1.So Snyder/Terrio shouldnt have made a 3hr movie?

OR

2.You can cut 30mins off a 3 hr movie and it doesnt make a difference,and its Snyders fault that he couldnt do so?

 

[The Joker]

I really hate that I have to bring this up but I've just completed watching the first Supergirl season and it really showcases just how easy it is to have compelling arcs and stories for a god-like character. That show tackles the struggles of being a hero and even brings up the same questions that are asked upon Superman in MoS and BvS. The difference between the two interpretations is one is always remembering their hero is suppose to represent something whilst the other is too busy trying to disprove something. Despite its light tone and at times silliness and lame plot devices, from a character perspective Supergirl is a better representation of what can be done with these character concepts.

That's the harsh truth of it.

....Snyder "was just the director"?

You understand that the director is usually the main creative force behind a movie, right? Story, editing, costumes, cinematography, etc. Ultimately filter through him. He helped co write the story. The Russo's cut down Civil War to an acceptable screentime...before they started filming. The Dark Knight Rises script was allegedly massive before Nolan cut it down. So yeah, Snyder can take the blame for making a three hour film in the first place, just as WB can take the blame for approving it.

I've never seen people conjure up so many excuses for a guy who consistently making polarizing product. It's never Snyder's fault for anything, ever, even when he's clearly the common denominator for the mediocre-to-negative reception to most of his films.

Exactly.

 

[The Batman]

You said :
"Snyder can take the blame for making a three hour film in the first place"

And you said that "its not Snyder's fault that the script was 3hrs long", which, by your standards, also implies that making a 3 hr movie is something wrong. So, maybe you should answer your own questions.

 

[idiot09]

And you said that "its not Snyder's fault that the script was 3hrs long", which, by your standards, also implies that making a 3 hr movie is something wrong. So, maybe you should answer your own questions.

I said it because Ive seen people blaming Snyder for making the script 3 hr long.

Okay mate I'll be honest with you.I'm really curious to know what are your views regarding the question I asked.Lets say for the sake of the argument,I'm wrong.There you go,I'm wrong.Now look,I dont have any animosity with you,neither will I reply further to continue this argument.Just tell me this :

1.Was it wrong for Snyder to make a 3hr movie?

2.Or is it,that a competent director can cut 30mins off a 3 hr movie and it doesnt make a difference,and its Snyders fault that he couldnt do so?

Look I dont win anything for winning an internet argument.I just want to hear other peoples opinions.And I am really interested in hearing this.Just answer this my friend,I'm really curious to know.I wont bother you further.

 

[The Batman]

Okay mate I'll be honest with you.I'm really curious to know what are your views regarding the question I asked.

I'm glad you've decided to be honest, because it was very clear that your questions had nothing to do with what I was actually arguing.

Lets say for the sake of the argument,I'm wrong.There you go,I'm wrong.Now look,I dont have any animosity with you,neither will I reply further to continue this argument.Just tell me this :

1.Was it wrong for Snyder to make a 3hr movie?

2.Or is it,that a competent director can cut 30mins off a 3 hr movie and it doesnt make a difference,and its Snyders fault that he couldnt do so?

Look I dont win anything for winning an internet argument.I just want to hear other peoples opinions.And I am really interested in hearing this.Just answer this my friend,I'm really curious to know.I wont bother you further.

I think the length of the movie doesn't matter as much as content. The main problem with this film, IMO, is that it's hollow, not that compelling, and overstuffed. If you did a 3 hr TDK-quality movie that focused solely on the conflict/relationship between Batman and Superman, you'd be ok.

 

[idiot09]

I'm glad you've decided to be honest, because it was very clear that your questions had nothing to do with what I was actually arguing.



I think the length of the movie doesn't matter as much as content. The main problem with this film, IMO, is that it's hollow, not that compelling, and overstuffed. If you did a 3 hr TDK-quality movie that focused solely on the conflict/relationship between Batman and Superman, you'd be ok.

So you had a problem with the content of the film.Okay.

For the record,I have no problem with them trying to make a 3hr movie.I liked the content,though I completely understand why someone wouldnt.I did have a problem with whoever decided to make the film 2.5 hrs and hack away important content.Whoever that is.Hope we get more clarification regarding that.

 

[kguillou]

Uhhhhhh I just saw on CBM that this was delayed until July 18th??? Can anyone confirm??

 

[egg]

i wonder for those that seen it. does it make you like the movie any more if having issues with it, or just something good for existing fans mostly?

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Uhhhhhh I just saw on CBM that this was delayed until July 18th??? Can anyone confirm??

Physical comes out July 19th, that's always been the date. Digital comes out three weeks earlier on June 28th.

 

[idiot09]

i wonder for those that seen it. does it make you like the movie any more if having issues with it, or just something good for existing fans mostly?

It makes the story more coherent,it has better pacing/editing and fixed a few plot holes.Also develops the characters of Clark,Lois and Lex more.Some huge character moments are there.Its just a better structured more complete version of the film.

 

[Mindreaper21]

So yeah I am so ready to see this Ultimate cut. The wait is torture.

 

[Jumpman]

i wonder for those that seen it. does it make you like the movie any more if having issues with it, or just something good for existing fans mostly?

Fans who didn't care for it might find it a tad better just for its pacing and character stuff but if you didn't care for the characterization and liberties taken with the characters, it'll be more of the same to those.

 

[chintai80]

Agreed.

and what do you think,considering its true that the UC is lot more coherent and smooth,would this vindicate Snyder of the blame that he is not a good storyteller?Would you be more confident about the Justice League?

i'm waiting to see the UC to determine my final verdict. i hope it's good and fixes most if not all the problems i felt about the movie.

if it's good, it would probably make me feel a little more hopeful about JL.

even then, i still feel Snyder is a bit of an acquired taste. all his movies aren't the type to appeal as broad as an audience like the marvel studios or raimi spiderman stuff did.

i think snyder did better storytelling with MOS, but i suspect that had some to do with nolan's input.

 

[Tyrone Parker]

I just find it odd here that from what I see in these forums, fans of the movie like the movie, and accept the fact that it didn't jive with others, they would defend the film, but otherwise totally cool with the fact that some people don't like it. While detractors almost seem un-accepting of the fact that some people actually likes this film, and will tear it down to shreds regardless. It feels like they feel almost vindicated that the numbers prove to them that the movie was basically s***, and push those facts on to fans going, "Why do you still like this?! Cinemascore says you're not supposed to!"

I can understand not liking a film, heck I hated IM3, but I didn't stay on that board to rain on people. BvS was released 3 months ago, and yet we're still here talking about the same stuff lol. I would've imagined most of you guys would be in the CW and XMA forums discussing the merits of those films. Yet here you still are. Now we have a UC coming, and about 90% of you who haven't seen it yet come in here bashing it like you have . It's gotten so bad that you guys got the JL speculation thread locked. I mean come on!

Exactly, I'm not a fan of the MCU universe. I don't like the adventure comedy tone of the movies(personally find most of them kinda boring) and was never a fan of Marvel characters. Only Hulk, Thor and the X-Men interest me. Yet I don't constantly come on here and bash them.

 

[Micromind]

I just find it odd here that from what I see in these forums, fans of the movie like the movie, and accept the fact that it didn't jive with others, they would defend the film, but otherwise totally cool with the fact that some people don't like it. While detractors almost seem un-accepting of the fact that some people actually likes this film, and will tear it down to shreds regardless. It feels like they feel almost vindicated that the numbers prove to them that the movie was basically s***, and push those facts on to fans going, "Why do you still like this?! Cinemascore says you're not supposed to!"

I can understand not liking a film, heck I hated IM3, but I didn't stay on that board to rain on people. BvS was released 3 months ago, and yet we're still here talking about the same stuff lol. I would've imagined most of you guys would be in the CW and XMA forums discussing the merits of those films. Yet here you still are. Now we have a UC coming, and about 90% of you who haven't seen it yet come in here bashing it like you have . It's gotten so bad that you guys got the JL speculation thread locked. I mean come on!

Agreed.

Those who hated the movie are still here to discuss it and try to convince those who liked it , why they are wrong, liking a movie is subjective thing, citing Cinema-scores, RT meter or other criterion is not going to make people who like the movie change their mind.

Haters of this movie need to stop going on and on about demerits of this movie, believe it or not most people are fully aware of the shortcomings of it.

I get it, there are many people who hated this movie, now it would be better to stop recirculating same arguments why you hated it, stop beating the dead horse.

 

[StormC]

I don't care if people like the movie. I take issue with people who live in a bubble who are convinced that Zack Snyder is some misunderstood genius that's so much smarter than Marvel and Nolan and what have you and that people who don't like it just don't "get it."

 

[The Joker]

Even Jeremy Irons publicly said the movie deserved all the bad reviews. I loved his brutal honesty. I wonder how many others associated with the movie will speak out against it.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Even Jeremy Irons publicly said the movie deserved all the bad reviews. I loved his brutal honesty. I wonder how many others associated with the movie will speak out against it.

He didn't "speak out against it", but stated that it tried to do too much. He's right about that, but he admitted that the BO results were just enough to outweigh the negative critic reviews. He's right about that, too.

 

[Flint Marko]

He didn't "speak out against it", but stated that it tried to do too much. He's right about that, but he admitted that the BO results were just enough to outweigh the negative critic reviews. He's right about that, too.

He outright said that it deserved poor reviews. I'm not sure what the textbook definition of "speaking out against it" is, but that seems like a good start.

 

[AnneFan]

Alec Guinness called Star Wars fairytale rubbish with lamentable dialogue. Doesn't make me enjoy the film any less.

 

[Frodo]

Ultimately, what matters most is how you felt about it. I didn't like the film, but I could really care less about whether someone else liked it or didn't like it because it doesn't change how I responded to it. I don't lose sleep over it either way.

That said ,The film is gonna be debated discussed and argued about pro or con, endlessly for years to come , like it or not .

 

[Lantern Venom]

He outright said that it deserved poor reviews. I'm not sure what the textbook definition of "speaking out against it" is, but that seems like a good start.

He said it was "overstuffed", not "garbage". He also seemed excited for a smaller scale story with Alfred and Batfleck. I'd be more inclined to think he hated it if he lingered on the topic or walked away from reprising his role. He seemed to be saying, "we should have done a little better". After all, he was in love with the script.

 

[sf2]

I don't care if people like the movie. I take issue with people who live in a bubble who are convinced that Zack Snyder is some misunderstood genius that's so much smarter than Marvel and Nolan and what have you and that people who don't like it just don't "get it."

pick me! pick me!
may you step outside.