BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

[Flint Marko]

He said it was "overstuffed", not "garbage". He also seemed excited for a smaller scale story with Alfred and Batfleck. I'd be more inclined to think he hated it if he lingered on the topic or walked away from reprising his role. He seemed to be saying, "we should have done a little better". After all, he was in love with the script.

This is a professional actor straight up admitting that his movie deserved the critical lambasting it received, not saying they "should have done a little better".

That's "speaking out against" his own movie if I've ever heard it.

 

[OutOfBoose]

What's the big deal if an actor is agree with critics opinion. We all can admire honesty, if it's his honest opinion, but what does it change?

 

[Micromind]

Some people seem to have overlooked hidden subtext in this movie, which is drowned in the loud criticism of this movie.

Now, some of the criticism is well deserved but just because flaws exist, denying that the movie also has some well thought of sub-text and layers is baffling.

 

[StormC]

Now, some of the criticism is well deserved but just because flaws exist, denying that the movie also has some well thought of sub-text and layers is baffling.

Send me down the Nile then because I'm denying it hard.

 

[Lantern Venom]

This is a professional actor straight up admitting that his movie deserved the critical lambasting it received, not saying they "should have done a little better".

That's "speaking out against" his own movie if I've ever heard it.

I guess we'll just have to disagree or wait until Irons clarifies himself. He said a couple of lines in an interview that suggested he understood that the movie was flawed. I didn't get the impression that he thought the entire film was without merit. It would mean that his thought pattern is:

*The movie's story foundation is amazing (a year ago)
*Everything about the film, including the story that I adored, is worthless (today)
*I'll be appearing in multiple future films, playing the same character, based on the same worthless story, which will be inhabited primarily by the same people that made the disaster of which I'm speaking.

So either Irons is utterly contradicting himself, or critics of the film are jumping on some honest reflection and projecting their own feelings into his words. Until I hear more about his feelings, a passing comment about BvS being "overstuffed" doesn't seem like a complete indictment.

 

[Kanye West]

The good to bad ratio is about 8:2 in favor good.

Don't kid yourselves

 

[souperman]

Send me down the Nile then because I'm denying it hard.

possibly the worst pun-reversal set up ever...

kudos !

 

[souperman]

Alec Guinness called Star Wars fairytale rubbish with lamentable dialogue. Doesn't make me enjoy the film any less.

True.

 

[ApophènX]

Send me down the Nile then because I'm denying it hard.

I'm sorry but MoS had alot of subtext the movie was buit around birth process, and i'm no Snyder fan but it's just there, all the other flaws too. But he brought well those elements. Now those technique are used in every movie it's just what they do because, movies are reservoir of symbols and hidden puzzle with things thought out to link the story or the character on a sub counscious level, every freakin movie does in it's own way, more conciouss or less, it's even in the natural process of writing a story, because art is creation is morphing is repeating is creating meaning. And often movie director have other interest like mythology or whatev' and they will melt it in the movie to give it some depth, It's just part of the process.

It's just one of those movie where everything is think in a special way, that doesn't carry the blockbuster side away, That's doesn't carry thr flaws away but it's surrely more interesting to duel on the subtext and learn more on it because that is where the true art and intention of the autors are. What he try to built. And it is more interesting to me to try to understand all of those intention and interaction in the story than focus on all the little details you can't change and that are personnal disliking of the film.

 

[Flint Marko]

I guess we'll just have to disagree or wait until Irons clarifies himself. He said a couple of lines in an interview that suggested he understood that the movie was flawed. I didn't get the impression that he thought the entire film was without merit. It would mean that his thought pattern is:

*The movie's story foundation is amazing (a year ago)
*Everything about the film, including the story that I adored, is worthless (today)
*I'll be appearing in multiple future films, playing the same character, based on the same worthless story, which will be inhabited primarily by the same people that made the disaster of which I'm speaking.

So either Irons is utterly contradicting himself, or critics of the film are jumping on some honest reflection and projecting their own feelings into his words. Until I hear more about his feelings, a passing comment about BvS being "overstuffed" doesn't seem like a complete indictment.

Who said he thought the entire film was without merit? Who said his comments were a complete indictment?

The original point of contention was you disagreeing with the notion that Irons "spoke out against" the movie. He did. He straight up said it deserved bad reviews. That was my entire point.

 

[The Joker]

He didn't "speak out against it", but stated that it tried to do too much. He's right about that, but he admitted that the BO results were just enough to outweigh the negative critic reviews. He's right about that, too.

When an actor says the movie deserved the bad reviews, that's speaking out against it. Plain and simple. That's how the headlines reported his quotes all across the net. If that wasn't what he was saying, then why hasn't Irons spoke out clarifying he's being mis-quoted and wasn't saying that?

As for him seeming excited about the next Batman movie, to me it sounds like he's just happy to be getting a paycheck;

“I’m tied into The Batman at the minute, which is nice because it’s a bit of income… Not that I need a bit of income but it’s nice to keep ticking over.”

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-reviews-jeremy-irons/

 

[OutOfBoose]

Good to know the master actor is there for paycheck only. Exciting stuff.

 

[souperman]

Good to know the master actor is there for paycheck only. Exciting stuff.

He has a right to his opinion too. He probibly prefers Pride and Prejudice type stuff.

 

[OutOfBoose]

He has a right to his opinion too. He probibly prefers Pride and Prejudice type stuff.

In the end the only thing that matters - if he did his job well. He did. In fact, it's my favorite Alfred of all cinematic incarnations.

At least I can appreciate his honest indifference.

 

[Kanye West]

Not all actors suck up to the movies they're in?

Irons has an opinion?

I can use this to justify my objective opinion of this movie being bad?

YES!

 

[Sleiek]

Same with numbers. They help feel good about yourself.

 

[The Joker]

He has a right to his opinion too. He probibly prefers Pride and Prejudice type stuff.

In other words he prefers being in good movies

Not all actors suck up to the movies they're in?

Irons has an opinion?

I can use this to justify my objective opinion of this movie being bad?

YES!

Translation: Not all actors speak out AGAINST the movies they're in.

 

[Lencho01]

Even Jeremy Irons publicly said the movie deserved all the bad reviews. I loved his brutal honesty. I wonder how many others associated with the movie will speak out against it.

If any of the actors say something, I imagine they'll blame it on the editing and say that the film they shot was great. Eisenberg will hype up the script over and over.

 

[souperman]

In other words he prefers being in good movies :cwink

Depends on the version I guess..but either way...ugh! You can keep em.

 

[souperman]

Not all actors suck up to the movies they're in?

Irons has an opinion?

I can use this to justify my objective opinion of this movie being bad?

YES!

If Irons was the main star he would have kept his mouth zipped.
Gotta keep ticking over...

 

[souperman]

Has there been any "legit" advance reviews yet?

 

[Lantern Venom]

When an actor says the movie deserved the bad reviews, that's speaking out against it. Plain and simple. That's how the headlines reported his quotes all across the net. If that wasn't what he was saying, then why hasn't Irons spoke out clarifying he's being mis-quoted and wasn't saying that?

As for him seeming excited about the next Batman movie, to me it sounds like he's just happy to be getting a paycheck;

“I’m tied into The Batman at the minute, which is nice because it’s a bit of income… Not that I need a bit of income but it’s nice to keep ticking over.”

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-reviews-jeremy-irons/

Until I hear more negative elaboration on his part, I'm still inclined to believe that more is being read into his words than he intended. I find it difficult to believe that the final product caused him to do a 180 from the enthusiastic actor he was a year ago. Perhaps I don't want to believe that he's that much of a hypocrite.

 

[Boom]

He outright said the movie deserved the critical response it got. What else is there to read into?

 

[Lantern Venom]

Good to know the master actor is there for paycheck only. Exciting stuff.

Justice League : Alfred's Shameless Cash Grab

 

[Flint Marko]

Until I hear more negative elaboration on his part, I'm still inclined to believe that more is being read into his words than he intended. I find it difficult to believe that the final product caused him to do a 180 from the enthusiastic actor he was a year ago. Perhaps I don't want to believe that he's that much of a hypocrite.

He said it was muddled, overstuffed, and deserved the poor critical reception. Seriously, what more do you need?

Just because he said positive things a year ago, he's a hypocrite now for criticizing the final film? I could easily find quotes from Ryan Reynolds talking about how excited he was to work on X-men Origins Wolverine, or Green Lantern, or RIPD.... doesn't mean that's what he actually feels, nor does it mean he can't look at the finished film and be unhappy with it.