BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

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He said it was muddled, overstuffed, and deserved the poor critical reception. Seriously, what more do you need?

Just because he said positive things a year ago, he's a hypocrite now for criticizing the final film? I could easily find quotes from Ryan Reynolds talking about how excited he was to work on X-men Origins Wolverine, or Green Lantern, or RIPD.... doesn't mean that's what he actually feels, nor does it mean he can't look at the finished film and be unhappy with it.

Do you see Reynolds trying to sell us RIPD 2 or Merc without a mouth? Either Irons believes in the DCEU or he's selling out the integrity of his art form.
 
Do you see Reynolds trying to sell us RIPD 2 or Merc without a mouth? Either Irons believes in the DCEU or he's selling out the integrity of his art form.

You can believe in the DCEU and still criticize how BvS turned out. Hell, a lot of people are doing that.

I'm really not understanding the point of contention here.
 
You can believe in the DCEU and still criticize how BvS turned out. Hell, a lot of people are doing that.

I'm really not understanding the point of contention here.

The point is obvious : if Irons really does think that BvS is bad, but continues to promote the universe in which it's built, then he's just money grubbing. That why I'm choosing to believe that he s a little more rational than that.
 
Good to know the master actor is there for paycheck only. Exciting stuff.

That's the nature of the business with big tentpoles. When Harrison Ford was asked if he got sentimental putting on the Han Solo costume again, his response was "I got paid."
 
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You can believe in the DCEU and still criticize how BvS turned out. Hell, a lot of people are doing that.

I'm really not understanding the point of contention here.

He said what he said. I think the difference is that he may be commenting that he agrees with the criticism that it was muddled and overstuffed that he may have heard from mainstream critics and not the possibly exaggerated criticism that the movie was terrible, which I don't think he would say.
 
That's the nature of the business with big tentpoles. When Harrison Ford was ask if he got sentimental putting on the Han Solo costume again, his response was "I got paid."

I love that about Ford. Talk about the resentful hero. Never really played the whole SW thing up for fans, but they still love him.
 
The point is obvious : if Irons really does think that BvS is bad,

He does, and he said as much.

but continues to promote the universe in which it's built, then he's just money grubbing. That why I'm choosing to believe that he s a little more rational than that.

Again: he can believe in the DCEU and still criticize how BvS turned out. Not sure how those two ideas are mutually exclusive. He signed a multi-picture deal and is most likely hoping that the rest turn out better.

And if not, and he's just doing it for the paycheck, how is that not "rational"?
 
He outright said the movie deserved the critical response it got. What else is there to read into?

Nothing. It couldn't be more clear cut what Irons meant. But mountains as big as Everest are made from molehills frequently on these forums.
 
He said what he said. I think the difference is that he may be commenting that he agrees with the criticism that it was muddled and overstuffed that he may have heard from mainstream critics and not the possibly exaggerated criticism that the movie was terrible, which I don't think he would say.

That's how I read it. Irons understands that the film was rough around the edges, but he still believes in the DCEU's foundation, which is irrevocably BvS, to go forward with the project. If he truly does believe that BvS was a terrible film, he shouldn't let the door hit his dark crack on the way out.
 
You guys are taking what an actor playing a secondary character said way too personally.
 
I mean, Irons flat out said that it's a good paycheck...

He may enjoy playing Alfred, working with Ben, etc. That doesn't automatically mean he's going to fanboy over the final product when he thinks the critical backlash was justified.

It's also a pretty low commitment role, when you think about it. The only other actor he worked with was Ben. The majority of his scenes are in one location (the cave), with a couple of other scenes in the Wayne penthouse and cemetery.

The idea that he should walk away if he wasn't a fan of BvS is laughable...as if all actors automatically love all the movies they're in. Irons was just honest about it.
 
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Exactly. I don't give two ****s what he says about the movie(s) as long as he does a good job, which he does.
 
So no "legit" pre release reviews of the UE ?

Is the communion scene in the cut?
 
The point is obvious : if Irons really does think that BvS is bad, but continues to promote the universe in which it's built, then he's just money grubbing. That why I'm choosing to believe that he s a little more rational than that.

If you've actually followed what he's said, it's obvious Irons was a fan of the original film, but was disappointed with the theatrical cut. He has said how he told Snyder, after seeing the TC, "You've cut so much," referring to story.

Why should he now back out of all future films? Just to satisfy you're presumptions?
 
The idea that he should walk away if he wasn't a fan of BvS is laughable...as if all actors automatically love all the movies they're in. Irons was just honest about it.


I also find it somewhat laughable that Irons giving a fairly honest answer to a question that was posed to him equates to him "speaking out against" the film.
 
I also find it somewhat laughable that Irons giving a fairly honest answer to a question that was posed to him equates to him "speaking out against" the film.

Again, he said it was overstuffed, muddled, and that it deserved the critical smackdown. What is your definition of "speaking out against", and how does that not qualify?
 
Again, he said it was overstuffed, muddled, and that it deserved the critical smackdown. What is your definition of "speaking out against", and how does that not qualify?

I'm aware of what he said, and you've made a point of reiterating his words several times in this thread, it seems.

Maybe we have different opinions or views about what we consider to be "speaking out against" something. Personally, I would equate it more to someone publicly taking a firm stance on a subject/issue, most often with the intention of protesting/rejecting something and/or spreading awareness about the subject/issue at hand.

"After the recent court case, college students across the country are speaking out against rape on college campuses."

"Jennifer Lawrence speaks out against the gender pay gap in Hollywood."

"This activist has spent the past year speaking out against animal cruelty at SeaWorld."

"Dozens of celebrities have spoken out against Donald Trump."


I also think there's a clear difference between speaking out against something and simply giving on honest opinion about something when prompted to do so. If someone asked me, "Do you agree that Burger King is not as good as McDonalds?"...I would probably say something like, "Well, Burger King's burgers are sort of flavorless and a bit overpriced compared to McDonalds, so yeah, I understand why most people prefer McDonalds." I think it'd be pretty silly for someone to go on about how I had "spoken out against" Burger King in that case. It'd be a little different if I were to reiterate my words multiple times in different public forums, or if I'd chosen to share my anti-Burger King opinions on social media or something. That would be me making a point to speak out against something.

Similarly, if someone asked me my opinion about Donald Trump's policies and I said that I disliked all of his proposed policies but happened to agree with one of them (which is not true) and explained why, I'd be a little shocked if you guys started going on about how "The Shape has spoken out in favor of Donald Trump!"

In the case of Irons, he casually answered a question posed to him, and his answer wasn't "loaded" with any intention other than to give a seemingly honest answer to an interviewer -- which is something I have no problem with. He didn't outright say it was a bad film, or that it should have been better. He didn't say that films like BvS shouldn't be made, or that they should have hired a different creative team, or that he was unhappy with the process of making the film, or that he was against the idea of making another one, or that he wishes he was never involved in it. As far as I know, this is the first time he's said something like this and might be the last time, so it isn't like he's out there making the press rounds, trashing the film and reiterating his words at every turn to multiple sources -- at least for now.

Now, of course, you can feel free to ignore everything I've just said and come back at me by breaking this down in the most technical, literal way possible. "You're wrong because Jeremy Iron said this to someone, so he was 'speaking', and the words came out of his mouth so he was "speaking out", and he agreed with something negative about the movie so he was therefore 'speaking out against' the movie." But I think you understand what I mean regarding the connotation behind this phrase in terms of how it is most commonly used, and how that differs from the situation we're currently discussing.

Again, this is just my view on the phrase and you're free to continue feeling otherwise and viewing it differently.
 
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He didn't outright say it was a bad film, but he did say it "rightfully" got critically panned so I mean...it is what it is. He wasn't being proactive in "speaking out" against it and I doubt he hated the movie, but he also clearly didn't feel much of a sense of loyalty or protectiveness over the film to come in its defense when he was asked a tough question.

I respect him for being honest about it though. I really wonder how Affleck will handle it in the future. Probably more diplomatic, I'd imagine.
 
I like his brutal honesty. He's not afraid to say the movie deserved the bad reviews. Refreshing to see an actor call a spade a spade, and not white wash it.
 
He didn't outright say it was a bad film, but he did say it "rightfully" got critically panned so I mean...it is what it is. He wasn't being proactive in "speaking out" against it and I doubt he hated the movie, but he also clearly didn't feel much of a sense of loyalty or protectiveness over the film to come in its defense when he was asked a tough question.

I wasn't arguing against any of that.



I respect him for being honest about it though. I really wonder how Affleck will handle it in the future. Probably more diplomatic, I'd imagine.

I agree and definitely give him props for answering the question honestly, which he's never been afraid to do. If I remember correctly, he's received some backlash in the past after ranting about gay marriage and abortion during interviews.
 
He didn't outright say it was a bad film,

He didn't have to - anyone should be able to see that he clearly doesn't have a very high opinion of the film, and therein lies the entire issue.

If this, in your criteria, does not qualify as "speaking out against" then that's all well and good. But when you indirectly state in a public forum that the movie you just starred in was bad, don't be surprised that others are going to find that a fairly appropriate label.
 
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