BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 1

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You seriously didn't watch the movie yet? I envy you.

I am the same, I want my first impression to be the best version and best format hence the reason why I watch some of my movies first in IMAX. But I also lack patience, there's my shortfall. lol
 
Managed to watch the Ultimate cut today. What a phenomenal, sprawling epic this film is...such a shame that theatrical cut is what most people saw and what most people will ever see.

Now, to be clear I admire and appreciate Snyder's approach with these characters. This "deconstructed view" that places these characters in our problematic, corrupt world and tries to imagine how they would navigate it. How they would be viewed, by a more cynical, modern population. A lot of people don't have patience for this thought experiment. It puts the characters in a tricky position and keeps them from being light, wise-cracking, and chipper. If you can't get past Batman killing or Superman being troubled by what's going on around him, in BvS, this cut is not going to do much for you.

However, if you felt that there were moments in the film that really worked, moments that were puzzling, and that the film felt too choppy editing-wise. You stand the most to gain from this cut. I put myself in this category. This Ultimate Edition was sooo much more cohesive and better-paced. I'll give you an example...the Ultimate Edition introduces us to Gotham and The Batman in far better manner than the theatrical cut, because the scenes have room to breathe. In the theatrical cut we enter the scene with the bats escaping the chimney, which is a ham-fisted way of saying we're about to enter a batman-oriented scene. The ultimate cut shows police-men hanging out before getting called out to a crime scene, and then we see the shot of the bats flapping about. It tells us that the Batman is here, or has been here. It makes for a much more mysterious and cooler introduction to the character and the world. There are so many scenes that have be re-worked and re-postioned like that, throughout the cut, which allows the film to work better, flow better, and flat out make sense.

Also, Superman gets his film back, in this cut. We all know Snyder loves Batman, but you really get to see the respect, admiration, and appreciation Snyder continues to have for Clark/Superman, too. Such great Clark/Superman/Smallville/Metropolis stuff here that it gives creedence to rumors that WB execs wanted the film to be more Batman heavy, and probably had some of the great Superman stuff forced out.

I have a lot more to say about this cut, but, overall, I'll just say that this cut serves the ambition of the BvS concept, in a far better way than the theatrical one did. It's so obvious that the theatrical cut was focused on moving from one climactic scene to another to hastily keep audiences attention, but it did so at the risk of chopping up the main narrative and removing the motivations that were pushing most of the characters forward.

My only slight negative that is a holdover from the theatrical is that the apocalypse/Justice League stuff was too "out there" and too much to stuff into this film. They do so some stuff with the audio to make the apocalyspe/flash stuff a bit more digestible, but I don't know...I understand the logic of setting the seeds for Justice League here, but they should made it a post-credits scene or something.

I'm really looking forward to watching this version many more times and also as double-bill with Man of Steel, because this version is a far better companion piece.

Hey Supes,

In the Africa scene, were there any new Superman "action scenes" like him fighting soldiers, tanks, planes and copters??

And was there any more new action scenes of Superman in the movie???

And how was the ending different from the theatrical cut??

Thanks.
 
It is connected to the Ultraviolet account, right?

If yes, and if you haven't done it already, connect your Ultraviolet account to Flixter account and stream it via Flixter Video app.

EDIT: Guess you figured it out.

Couldnt get flixster time work either.
 
apparently cineplex somehow knows where your from when even searching it now???
yesterday it actually showed up but failed on checkout, now i was gonna do the gift card route bt it wont even show up for me
 
Actually there is a difference. During the part where Batman flings the wooden crate at that thugs head you actually see blood spray on the wall from the impact

I may have missed this. I can't wait for the ultimate cut. I liked the original version but I am hoping this is even better.
 
Hey Supes,

In the Africa scene, were there any new Superman "action scenes" like him fighting soldiers, tanks, planes and copters??

And was there any more new action scenes of Superman in the movie???

And how was the ending different from the theatrical cut??

Thanks.
You see the shots of Superman colliding with missiles that were sent by the government. The stuff added to Africa is fantastic because you see lex's goons trying to make it look like Superman massacres the town. They shoot up everyone but then they use flame blower to set the bodies on fire, so it looks like Superman did it with his heat vision.

The ending is better because there's just more stuff to chew on. Empty Metropolis businesses and streets cuz they're all at his funeral, Perry and jenny coming to the Kent house for Clark's funeral. Better takes of Lois and Martha grieving together.
Pete getting dialogue.
Lex steffenwolf scene works really well and shows why he's so unhinged at the end. Eisenberg's face dropping when Batman tells him that he's going to Arkham is also great.
 
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Looking forward to it. The ending you mentioned specifically gets me excited. Sure Superman is dead, but things have turned around.
 
Do batman and superman fight more than once in the uc?
 
You see the shots of Superman colliding with missiles that were sent by the government. The stuff added to Africa is fantastic because you see lex's goons trying to make it look like Superman massacres the town. They shoot up everyone but then they use flame blower to set the bodies on fire, so it looks like Superman did it with his heat vision.

The ending is better because there's just more stuff to chew on. Empty Metropolis businesses and streets cuz they're all at his funeral, Perry coming the Kent house for Clark's funeral. Better takes of Lois and Martha grieving together.
Pete getting dialogue.
Lex steffenwolf scene works really well at the end and shows why he's so unhinged at the end. Eisenberg's face dropping when Batman tells him that he'should going to Arkham is also great.

The whole scene in Africa made so much more sense that I'm actually even more angry at the theatrical cut. I'm only 30 minutes into the EC now, and it makes so much more sense and is a much better film...
 
Great review, thanks, and I glad to hear we get more Superman here and it seems more like his movie. I like Batman and all, but Superman was the big draw here for me as I am a much bigger Supes fan.

Sure. This cut could've been called "Man of Steel 2" it's so full of Superman stuff.
 
Does Superman talk more?

Clark talks more because there are more Clark scenes. A few more Superman moments added in, like him sticking around after the capital explosion, show him doing more but not necessarily talking more.
 
I am midway through the UC and holy crap I am liking it a lot, the scenes and story flow greatly, there are some establishing shots now, even some slight scenes reordering that does wonders to the pacing; that is without mentioning the extra content that not only expands on the plot but actually help make sense to some previously muddy stuff as well as more character content that was sadly missing from the TC.

I have not finished my viewing of UC yet and I am already really mad at WB for messing up the movie like that, it was shredded to bits on the TC. One might not like Zack Snyder's style or the tone of the film, some of the characterization if you will, but this movie shows to me that Snyder is definetely capable of making a properly constructed movie and telling a coherent story while at it; WB pretty much painted Snyder as an inept on that regard with the TC.
 
Just watching the UC. I hate how they put the Communion scene in. Totally breaks the flow.
 
So I just finished the extended cut.

It's much better, yes... but still not great. Sorry, but it does not help the conflict and fight between Batman and Superman at all. That was still... pathetic.

Since this probably contains spoilers, I'll just put it all under the spoiler tag...

They do not show Superman looking for his mom after his confrontation with Lex on the helicopter pad. That really ticked me off, actually, because it again suggests that he didn't even try. He just immediately caved to Lex's demands. If they had included a single shot of Lex watching Superman leave while on the phone with the Russian guy, to make sure he headed in the right direction, then I would have forgiven it. But Lex was already gone. Sorry, but HISHE got that 100% correct, and I've no doubt that Honest Trailers and Everything Wrong With will drag that... rightly.

The Knightmare, while extended, was still superfluous and unneeded. The "and now a message from our sponsor: Justice League!" scene (the one where Diana watches the trailers for Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg) still breaks the flow in a very weird spot. It should have been after the credits, or not shown at all.

The scene with Lex seeing the alien (likely Steppenwolf, I guess) right before he's arrested was also weirdly placed.

Honestly, the only thing really fixed, here, aside from some pacing issues, was the Africa scene near the beginning of the film. That made so much more sense... enough, in fact, the elevate my opinion of the film just a little bit.

The extended cut is absolutely better than the theatrical cut, and yeah, it probably would have done a lot better on Rotten Tomatoes and with audiences in general. But it still would have been critiqued harshly, IMO. The things the added footage fixes were not even close to the only problems I and many others had with it.

I remember reading that if you loved BvS or were "meh" on it, you'd enjoy the extended cut. I agree, and would add that if you did not like BvS, the extended cut will definitely alleviate a few of your problems with it, but not even close to all of them.

Oh... and I think it's safe to say that Clark Kent is gone. It would be very hard, especially with Perry White actually being at his funeral (which was an open casket), for him to just return at the exact same time as Superman without people catching on, unless they want to claim that Perry knew Clark was Superman. I think I'd be okay with that if they showed Clark's obituary saying that he was "missing in action attempting to cover the Doomsday battle with Lois and presumed dead", but they didn't.

Any attempt to bring Clark Kent back in Justice League while maintaining the secret will be stretching the suspension of disbelief well beyond its breaking point.

Unfortunately, I'm still disappointed in BvS, and still angry about it. Also... still not celebrating its failure. This damn movie should not have failed. It should have been a rousing success... it should have been the best comic book movie in a long time. And I realize, for some, that it is.

But it isn't for me. I'm sorry. I just don't like it. And I tried. I honestly did try.
 
I am midway through the UC and holy crap I am liking it a lot, the scenes and story flow greatly, there are some establishing shots now, even some slight scenes reordering that does wonders to the pacing; that is without mentioning the extra content that not only expands on the plot but actually help make sense to some previously muddy stuff as well as more character content that was sadly missing from the TC.

I have not finished my viewing of UC yet and I am already really mad at WB for messing up the movie like that, it was shredded to bits on the TC. One might not like Zack Snyder's style or the tone of the film, some of the characterization if you will, but this movie shows to me that Snyder is definetely capable of making a properly constructed movie and telling a coherent story while at it; WB pretty much painted Snyder as an inept on that regard with the TC.
watching while typing...hmmm...
 
The UC version sounds a lot like the reasoning of some in the Uk to have used to leave EU.

If you'd stood back a bit, had a think and stopped to consider there maybe a wider vision to consider, then all the screaming, shouting, name calling and regret post event could have been avoided.
 
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