The camp has been erased for a reason.

[Daredevil_2003]

Seriously. I'd love to see Tim Burton and Nicholas Cage's Superman, tough aggressive Man of Steel, rather than Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh's non-violent sensitive emasculated metrosexual deadbeat dad jealous peeping tom soft spoken baby-faced pretty boy with brown hair wearing a spandex costume with low-riding short-shorts which makes people think Superman is gay.

Count me in with the camp that would rather have seen Burton's Superman. I enjoyed Returns. A lot, actually, but it was so tired and boring after the first viewing.

 

[theMan-Bat]

While not a fan of Singer's movie, I also disagree with "Dark Superman". Superman SHOULD NOT be dark. That is Batman's job. Superman represents hope and the belief in good, not another cliche dark, agressive, and borderline psychotic that are a dime a dozen in today's comics.

Basically, give us a Superman like Timm's. Serious, but not overly dark.

Definitely. Superman is about hope, optimism, heroism, fun cheer moments. Strength and compassion. That's Superman. Not Bryan Singer and Brandon Routh's bleak and brooding, sad emo character. The Burton/Gilroy Superman Lives script has plenty of cheer moments. Superman saves dozens of children and Lois's niece in the elevators at Lexcorp. Superman saves a kid from a burning building. Superman saves Lois from Brainiac. Superman gives a speech about how his place is here on earth, this is his home, these are his people, etc. that is faithful and respectful to who Superman is and what he symbolizes.

Superman is suppose to be a positive role model. Nicolas Cage said "The death of Superman and his resurrection will be a part of the story, but I have other points that I want to address. I saw it for me as an opportunity to reach a lot of kids around the world and say something positive. I've never really made a movie for children before, but to me, Superman is an opportunity to reach children all around the world, and to say something to them that I believe. I guess I'm trying to take the judgment out of the way kids treat each other. To me, this project is very important because it's going to affect children around the world. What do I want to see happen to children around the world? I can't claim that I'm really going to be able to do this, but at least I can try. Which is if I can play up to Superman's feelings of being an alien, feeling different, feeling weird basically feeling like the kid I felt like when I was in school then I can maybe get that little boy to stop teasing that little boy because Superman is different. That's my thought process. It's okay to be different because Superman is different. If one child sees that and says 'maybe I'm Superman' then I've done my job."

 

[Daredevil_2003]

^ The more I find out about this project, the more and more I wish we could have gotten Superman Lives.

 

[CaptainClown]

I think they had the right idea but I am sorry Nick Cage isn't superman to me.

 

[Daredevil_2003]

They said the same thing about Michael Keaton...he may not physically be the Batman most think of, but he got the character perfectly and delivered a great performance, I think Cage would have turned out the same way. Especially given his passion for the character and the project, he/Burton would have proved us all wrong.

 

[CaptainClown]

I still don't like Keaton as Batman he wasn't batman to me. His performance I thought also was ok. Then again my standards are unreasonably high.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I still don't like Keaton as Batman he wasn't batman to me. His performance I thought also was ok. Then again my standards are unreasonably high.

My standards are unreasonably high too.

They still haven't been met.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya, Bale was alright still not what I would want for Batman. I still love his Bruce Wayne thought, hilarious.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I could not believe how horrible and campy this show was when I watched the first episode last week. I thought it might be fun, but I didn't think it would be this bad.

Sure it looked cartoony from the ads but so does the spectacular spider-man but that show is very good and quite serious.

They have spent too long erasing the camp from Batman for a reason. And after The Dark Knight he deserves a better and serious cartoon series.
Don't bring this crap back.

The idot producer said they wanted to remind people Super heroes have senses of humor well, Batman doesn't he's a dark not a joke.

Understand which charcters are light then do that with them not Batman. Idiots.

I think the whole show is a marketing ploy. Batman is their biggest draw-that much is obvious. And this way their lesser known characters-e.g. Blue Beetle, Plastic Man-get exposure. It's all to draw in fans. Now would I prefer that they kept Batman's dark edge or went with someone like Superman for this? Sure. BUt it's not aimed at me. This is why I don't watch it. My 9-year-old son, on the other hand, eats it up.

 

[Manic]

I can see why they made this show instead of another dark animated series. If they had used a darker interpretation of Batman, there'd be nothing but comparisons to Timm/Dini's old show. That was an awesome cartoon, and their Batman was freaking hardcore. I may never love a Batman series as much as I loved that one.

But this blue-wearing, eyebrow-masked, one-liner joking Batman they've used for Brave and the Bold... he's just so damn fun. I've been excited about Batman stuff before, but it's rare that I can watch something with Batman and just have fun. It's campy, yes, but it's nice to have a break from the grim and gritty every now and then.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I can't get into it. I tried but I just can't. And truth be told, the camp was never erased. We thought it was erased back in '89 but it wasn't. It will never be erased b/c it will never be forgotten. The image of a blue-masked, happy-go-lucky Batman will forever remain permeated into pop culture history & forever remain in the minds of America, much like the image of a 300 lb, non-speaking, bad wig-wearing Hulk.
Makes me immensely grateful that this show didn't last long enough to do the same.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I can't get into it. I tried but I just can't. And truth be told, the camp was never erased. We thought it was erased back in '89 but it wasn't. It will never be erased b/c it will never be forgotten. The image of a blue-masked, happy-go-lucky Batman will forever remain permeated into pop culture history & forever remain in the minds of America, much like the image of a 300 lb, non-speaking, bad wig-wearing Hulk.
Makes me immensely grateful that this show didn't last long enough to do the same.

I understand what you're saying, but how is this Batman happy-go-lucky? He's still serious, he's a jerk quite a bit, and still has a lot of shades of tragedy, he just doesn't let that overcome him. Very different from Adam West's Batman. But to be honest I'm glad camp was never erased, and I hope it stays. Not only because it's so enjoyable, but because then in 20 years time the "dark-and-serious only" fans will still have something to moan about, while I enjoy a different style.

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya, I was about to ask how he is happy-go-lucky. I think his origin in the brave and the bold is really dark.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Ya, I was about to ask how he is happy-go-lucky. I think his origin in the brave and the bold is really dark.

Yeah, and out of all the Wayne parents deaths I've seen in any medium it's the only one that actually seems plausible to leave him so screwed up as to become Batman later, short of them being raped to death and then eaten if front of him t:

 

[CaptainClown]

That was the extended edition. After you hear the gunshots you can hear some
"Oh my god what are you doing to them?"
fap fap fap fap fap
"oh my god now your eatting them?!"
nom nom nom nom


On a serious note, the origin in Brave and the Bold really made me think, ya that would seriously **** anyone up. The reason your parents died are because your a snobby little ****. My god I would spend my life dressed up as a Bat in order to feel better about what a screw up I was.

Also it is odd cause Batman is typically the straight man in all the episodes. Especially the one where Aquaman and the Atom dicked around within Batmans body...... Also, Red Tornado giving Batman a mug that said "worlds best detective" just made me go AWWW

 

[Godman]

*sighs*

I swear the selfishness of some fans is too outrageous to even seem real sometimes. Do you understand that young children deserve a chance at becoming fans too?

Let me tell you when I became a Batman fan what got me into the character were reruns of the Filmation cartoon and the Adam West series. Those were campy as hell but I thought they were lots of fun. Burton's movie hadn't even been released yet and guess what a year after that I started buying Batman comics with my own money. I appreciate the memories of those programs even though now at 25 it's not my ideal interpretation of the character and his world.

What does this even mean

"And after The Dark Knight he deserves a better and serious cartoon series."

Why? I mean maybe some parents may not *gasp* want their children exposed to something "serious" and a "serious" cartoon will bore some kids too. TDK is a PG-13 borderline R movie and while my parents never censored me (first 2 movies I saw at the flicks were R and I was only 5) I understand and respect that some parents don't want their children exposed to something like that.

So it makes sense that a cartoon wasn't modeled after that tone. We already had two consecutive Batman cartoons that dealt with exploring the Bat verse with mature undertones and telling a one universe type of story. It's only right to switch it up and not be so stagnant you want a serious Batman toon? last time I checked the seasons of BTAS are available for purchase on DVD.

Fact is Batman isn't so grim and there were times even with the more respected stories from the 70's and 80's were there was a light hearted style to the stories and the character himself. Particularly the Brave and the Bold comic series from the 70's which this series is based on. This wasn't just something strictly from the 50's or 60's contrary to what revisionist history may say.

It's only right that there is something in the mass media that reminds people of that after Batman has become a character so synonamous with "darkness" now that it manages to turn some people off. You don't like the toon cool you have every right not to but to rant about it as if it's a pox on humanity or something is a bit over the top.

I didn't even watch this show and don't know if I will but one thing I will say is this. I am happy that it exists because it guarantees that there will be lots of kids who will be introduced to Batman this way. That means my favorite character gets to live on for more decades on end as these kids grow older and get exposed to more Batman product and that's not a bad thing by any means. Plus it also introduces them to DC characters that have never ever appeared in any cartoon or series before and as a DC fan that makes me happy as it brings more exposure to a lot of great characters and shows the world that DC is more than just Batman and Superman.

This is why America is ****ED up in the head. Children are given to little credit for their minds today. We are in the campiest era of Music, cartoons, and EDUCATION. I mean have ya'll seen the new Transformers ****????? Compare what we had in the early nineties with the Darker Dini cartoon back then to this new up tempo CRAP!!!!! If u want kid friendly **** then go back to Freakazoids or SUPERMANs, or Teen Titans...cause BATMAN was created in a more serious time for more serious thinkers and TDK is meant for that same exact audience. This cartoon is a slap in the face of everyone from Frank Miller all the way up to Nolan who have worked double time to bring the comic book character back to what it was always meant to be.

The campy **** has always been a parody of the serious tone Batman is meant for. U want GOOF?? go for spiderman, the guy who cracks jokes and is ininfact a KID!!!!! WTF is this new garbage. Stupid Producers... This cartoon is practically condoning JOEL SHUMACHER's ****!!!!!!

 

[Godman]

I understand what you're saying, but how is this Batman happy-go-lucky? He's still serious, he's a jerk quite a bit, and still has a lot of shades of tragedy, he just doesn't let that overcome him. Very different from Adam West's Batman. But to be honest I'm glad camp was never erased, and I hope it stays. Not only because it's so enjoyable, but because then in 20 years time the "dark-and-serious only" fans will still have something to moan about, while I enjoy a different style.

Wow I didn't actually know that anyone would have missed this ****...WOW!!!!

 

[Godman]

I think they had the right idea but I am sorry Nick Cage isn't superman to me.

Funny how people said Daniel Craig ain't Bond, and Heath Ledger ain't The Joker...funny how things turn out. Oh and the **** Keaton got for being cast WOW!!!!!

 

[Drz]

This is why America is ****ED up in the head. Compare what we had in the early nineties with the Darker Dini cartoon back then to this new up tempo CRAP!!!!! If u want kid friendly **** then go back to Freakazoid or SUPERMAN, or Teen Titans...cause BATMAN was created in a more serious time for more serious thinkers and TDK is meant for that same exact audience. This cartoon is a slap in the face of everyone from Frank Miller all the way up to Nolan who hav eworked double time to bring the comic book character back to what it was always meant to be.

The campy **** has always been a parody of the serious tone Batman is meant for. U want GOOF?? go for spiderman, the guy who cracks jokes and is ininfact a KID!!!!! WTF is this new garbage. Stupid Producers... This cartoon is practically condoning JOEL SHUMACHER's ****!!!!!!

Have you even watched this show at all? ;o

 

[Godman]

Have you even watched this show at all? ;o

Yes...it's awful as a Batman cartoon but ok as a cartoon stand alone. It should have been Superman's world.

 

[CaptainClown]

Funny how people said Daniel Craig ain't Bond, and Heath Ledger ain't The Joker...funny how things turn out. Oh and the **** Keaton got for being cast WOW!!!!!

Comparing Nick Cage to Heath Ledger Daniel Craig and Michael Keaton? Good actors? hmmmmmmm

I will give Nick the benefit of the fact he was legendary as Ghost Rider.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

This is why America is ****ED up in the head. Children are given to little credit for their minds today. We are in the campiest era of Music, cartoons, and EDUCATION. I mean have ya'll seen the new Transformers ****????? Compare what we had in the early nineties with the Darker Dini cartoon back then to this new up tempo CRAP!!!!! If u want kid friendly **** then go back to Freakazoids or SUPERMANs, or Teen Titans...cause BATMAN was created in a more serious time for more serious thinkers and TDK is meant for that same exact audience. This cartoon is a slap in the face of everyone from Frank Miller all the way up to Nolan who have worked double time to bring the comic book character back to what it was always meant to be.

The campy **** has always been a parody of the serious tone Batman is meant for. U want GOOF?? go for spiderman, the guy who cracks jokes and is ininfact a KID!!!!! WTF is this new garbage. Stupid Producers... This cartoon is practically condoning JOEL SHUMACHER's ****!!!!!!

Okay, I'm going to be doing a profile for you today, is that okay widdle fella? Good. Here's my guesstimates:

Godman:
Age: 10-16 (I would've made you older, but my age metre does not allow for mental ******ation, or super-ignorance as a power)
Intelligence: Hmmm...tough one, considering how little intelligence there is in this post.
Bat-knowledge: I'm going for little to zero. Possibly drafted in from the Nolan series and "grew up with TAS", or actually did watch TAS as a kid.....but didn't grow up.

Okay, I'll stop there before I really start slamming and spamming you. Now I know, I know, by now you must be thinking "this guy is jerk who loves thems fluffy Batmen's *insert unnecessary foul language here*!". Well actually I'm just providing a point through exaggeration. For you see through your ridiculously ignorant statement you not only prove how utterly sad and pathetic your argument is, you really bring down any (heaven forbid) intelligent poster who actually has decent criticisms about the show by stereotyping them.

Soooo, for now, just use your imagination to insert that extra 30% rape and unnecessay violence into the cartoon, while we have some fun watching a decent show. 'Kay?

On the flipside, who loved that *campy* Joker in the new episode?

 

[CaptainClown]

I was actually going to post a long essay like post in which I would point out that there is a reason Batman survived through the years, through camp to ultra dark. Then I realized that just by the posts and his perspective of life, he believes Gears of War to be a crowning achievement to the story telling world and is in fact what stories should strive for.

It is one of those people who see Batman having an absolute form that had to be done in a certain tone in order to be 'respected'. When it doesn't dawn upon him that Batman is one of the characters in POP culture, not just comic culture, that is acceptable in different forms and deliveries that Dracula would envy.

Then again I can't comprehend the greatness that is Nicholas Cage. I will put in Next and Bangkok dangerous to really understand the subtly of his abilities.

 

[Cain]

This is why America is ****ED up in the head. Children are given to little credit for their minds today.

Who said this cartoon didn't give children credit in the first place? have you ever even seen it? it has touched on adult themes while still not forgetting to be escapist entertainment that will enthrall the attention of younger kids.

We are in the campiest era of Music, cartoons, and EDUCATION.

Campiest era of music? what the hell does that even mean? especially when my record collection backs up that Nas and Radiohead put out 2 albums that I couldn't go a day without playing last year. Those guys are artistic as it gets when it comes to their respective genres BTW.

I mean have ya'll seen the new Transformers ****?????

Yes because the Transformers cartoon cats my age (25) and older grew up on was uber serious, right?

Compare what we had in the early nineties with the Darker Dini cartoon back then to this new up tempo CRAP!!!!! If u want kid friendly **** then go back to Freakazoids or SUPERMANs,

The irony of this being that Dini and Timm were involved with Freakazoid, and Tiny Toons as well as other cartoons that didn't forget to be you know cartoons and not movies.

BATMAN was created in a more serious time for more serious thinkers

Yet Bill Finger's Batman (the original) acted just like the one from this cartoon in that he had a sense of humor and was pretty adventurous almost like a swashbuckler, oh but wait he did kill so you know that totally makes him serious and not just pulpy.

This cartoon is a slap in the face of everyone from Frank Miller all the way up to Nolan who have worked double time to bring the comic book character back to what it was always meant to be.

This post tells me that you have like 0 familiarity with Batman's comic book history. Seriously who gives a **** about Miller and Nolan? I like their work with the character but they are not the be all and end all, sorry but reasonable batfans have more to do than wank over those cats.

I mean you state this but I could counter by saying this cartoon is a complete tribute to the works people like Denny O'Neil and Steve Englehart did in the 70's by having a traveling Batman who is a hero of the people and not afraid to crack a joke or two every once in a while and not be so damn brooding. Or the work Bob Haney and Neil Adams did in the original Brave & the Bold comics (available in SHOWCASE vol. BTW).

The campy **** has always been a parody of the serious tone Batman is meant for. U want GOOF?? go for spiderman, the guy who cracks jokes and is ininfact a KID!!!!! WTF is this new garbage. Stupid Producers... This cartoon is practically condoning JOEL SHUMACHER's ****!!!!!!

Yeah too bad this show ain't campy, lighthearted? yes cause a lot of the episodes kept a playful tone. But campy? well I haven't seen this show littered with self referential insults towards the material like say the Adam West show was filled with for example, but whatever man I get it anything that shows a Batman wearing blue is just a joke har har. BTW I will always have love for Batman Forever. Even though it underminded the villains the portrayal of Bruce Wayne and Batman is one of the most balanced I've seen in any story comics included. OMG I guess that means I don't know Batman or something. Geesh.

 

[CaptainClown]

I just saw the latest episode and it is TRULY something great for Bat fans. Mein gott I felt like the writers and developers said "yes we read all the forums of what you want and you know what we will try it your way and make it work".

Man, I think just some people are really missing out. This show has genuinly got me to like Aqua Man and Red Tornado. I want to see these characters in more things. The same with Green Arrow, I mean they made them likable making me want more. It homages a lot of aspects of Batman history while respecting it.