The Amazing Spider-Man The Changed Origin

[Picard Sisko]

I was watching TASM again today, and thinking about the whole idea of Peter's origin being changed. Dr. Connors said that no subject has ever survived a cross-genetics experiment, but Peter has in fact survived and did not turn into a giant Spider. The changed origin would have explained that Peter survived due to his father experimenting on him. Since that was cut out of the movie, how will the writers explain this in the future?

In the comic books, Peter does in fact turn into a giant spider. If the whole origin is kept accidental, then they could go the same route in the movies, and turn him into a "Man-Spider." Kraven the Hunter could be called upon to capture the creature, while the transformed Peter Parker goes to Dr. Connors for help to turn him back to a human.

Another option is that at some point, they do reveal that Peter's father experimented on him, and his origin wasn't an accident. I doubt this will happen.

A third option is that Peter surviving the spider bite will be left as a plot hole for this franchise.

 

[Picard Sisko]

To add onto the origin remaining accidental, in order to turn himself back into a human, he goes to Connors to find a cure. He then experiments on himself and turns himself back into a human, and NOW his blood is capable of becoming a cure for Norman Osborn (rather than his father experimenting on him, making that the reason for Peter surviving the spider bite).

 

[AF3619]

A third option is that Peter surviving the spider bite will be left as a plot hole for this franchise.

or that Richard experimented on the spiders and he hid the the formula to the cross species on the them?

BTW , in the videogame Connors uses Peter´s blood to create an antidote to the cross species infection calling him "The perfect cross-species"

 

[Picard Sisko]

or that Richard experimented on the spiders and he hid the the formula to the cross species on the them?

BTW , in the videogame Connors uses Peter´s blood to create an antidote to the cross species infection calling him "The perfect cross-species"

I like the idea of Richard hiding the formula to successful cross species genetics in the spiders.

 

[LegendAssemble]

It got cut out for a reason, its gonna be a plot hole.

 

[Picard Sisko]

It got cut out for a reason, its gonna be a plot hole.

Not necessarily. It could also be fixed with another explanation.

 

[Web face]

How exactly is it a plot hole?

 

[Picard Sisko]

How exactly is it a plot hole?

Connors said that no subject has survived a cross-species genetics experiment. Peter was a cross-species genetics experiment, survived and did not turn into a giant spider. The movie does not explain this, therefore it is a plot hole.

The explanation was probably going to be that Peter was experimented on, or there was something in his blood that prevented him from dying after getting bit. Dr. Ratha reveals that what happened to him was not an accident. However, this whole subplot was removed, hence the plot hole.

 

[Superhero 101]

To add onto the origin remaining accidental, in order to turn himself back into a human, he goes to Connors to find a cure. He then experiments on himself and turns himself back into a human, and NOW his blood is capable of becoming a cure for Norman Osborn (rather than his father experimenting on him, making that the reason for Peter surviving the spider bite).

That actually sounds pretty good and wouldn't mind seeing that tale place

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

Connors said that no subject has survived a cross-species genetics experiment. Peter was a cross-species genetics experiment, survived and did not turn into a giant spider. The movie does not explain this, therefore it is a plot hole.

A friend and I discussed this earlier and we chalked it up to a few things.

So yes, it's clear that nobody survived a cross-species experiment. But how many of those experiments were spider-bites from Oscorp lab spiders? Besides, its made clear that the cross-species spiders were successfully bred. I'm sure a lot of those spiders in the room Peter infiltrated were very diverse and different. Each spider has their own unique cross-species enhancement.

Connors was working on reptilian cross-species while there was no successful decay rate algorithm. Richard Parker had the decay rate algorithm, but he worked on spiders. The decay rate algorithm Peter gave, which was for the spiders, didn't translate for the reptilians. This clicked with us as soon as the whole "tree of life" hologram came up in Oscorp, as well as the spiel Connors gave about the Parkinson's patient.

 

[DeathChill]

Wait, why are the spiders cross-species anything?

As well, no subject ever survived being injected with the serum, which is 100% different than being bitten by a spider...

 

[AF3619]

Wait, why are the spiders cross-species anything?

As well, no subject ever survived being injected with the serum, which is 100% different than being bitten by a spider...

like i said earlier maybe Richard hid the formula in the spiders DNA and it adapted to spider DNA (obviously) so when the spider bit Peter the venom was replaced with some kind of Sucessful serum

 

[Web face]

I still don't see it as a plot hole. Weren't people complaining that the whole rumored father subplot made Peter less of an every man because it took away the fact that it was pure coincidence? It doesn't need to be explained, he was just lucky. That is just how I see it, not fact.
I do like your other suggestions though. More explanations just makes the plot that much more interesting

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

Wait, why are the spiders cross-species anything?

As well, no subject ever survived being injected with the serum, which is 100% different than being bitten by a spider...

See, there's a point I could've made. Spider-bites are different.

 

[Picard Sisko]

A friend and I discussed this earlier and we chalked it up to a few things.

So yes, it's clear that nobody survived a cross-species experiment. But how many of those experiments were spider-bites from Oscorp lab spiders? Besides, its made clear that the cross-species spiders were successfully bred. I'm sure a lot of those spiders in the room Peter infiltrated were very diverse and different. Each spider has their own unique cross-species enhancement.

Connors was working on reptilian cross-species while there was no successful decay rate algorithm. Richard Parker had the decay rate algorithm, but he worked on spiders. The decay rate algorithm Peter gave, which was for the spiders, didn't translate for the reptilians. This clicked with us as soon as the whole "tree of life" hologram came up in Oscorp, as well as the spiel Connors gave about the Parkinson's patient.

Maybe Norman will realize what the spider has done to Peter and use one of them to cure him. But since each spider is unique, it will end up turning him into a Goblin.

I also like how you explain that the decay rate algorithm was for spiders, and did not translate well for reptilians.

I love your theories/explanations!!! And who knows, if Sony ever decides to go the Miles Morales route, they could (since there is a whole room full of spiders).

I still don't see it as a plot hole. Weren't people complaining that the whole rumored father subplot made Peter less of an every man because it took away the fact that it was pure coincidence? It doesn't need to be explained, he was just lucky. That is just how I see it, not fact.
I do like your other suggestions though. More explanations just makes the plot that much more interesting

That's a good way of looking at it! After watching the show LOST, I love to theorize about movies and shows I watch!

Wait, why are the spiders cross-species anything?

As well, no subject ever survived being injected with the serum, which is 100% different than being bitten by a spider...

Spider biting a human, and passing on its DNA giving the human some of its qualities... its cross-species. However, that is true, they only inject subjects with the serum, and do not let them get bitten by spiders.

 

[Picard Sisko]

BTW, did anyone notice when Peter is in the room full of spiders, when all of them start to fall, one of them gets electrocuted by the machine holding the web before it bites Peter?

And as he pulls the web out of his neck, and finds the spider dangling, it sounds like its full of electricity?

Even though the spiders are supposed to be bred, they still were sort of "radioactive"

 

[DeathChill]

Spider biting a human, and passing on its DNA giving the human some of its qualities... its cross-species. However, that is true, they only inject subjects with the serum, and do not let them get bitten by spiders.

Uh, why is it automatically cross-species? Couldn't it simply be genetically modified to produce more silk and what not?

 

[Picard Sisko]

Uh, why is it automatically cross-species? Couldn't it simply be genetically modified to produce more silk and what not?

What does producing more silk have to do with anything? The point is he passed on spider qualities to Peter, making him a subject of cross-species.

 

[AF3619]

BTW, did anyone notice when Peter is in the room full of spiders, when all of them start to fall, one of them gets electrocuted by the machine holding the web before it bites Peter?

And as he pulls the web out of his neck, and finds the spider dangling, it sounds like its full of electricity?

Even though the spiders are supposed to be bred, they still were sort of "radioactive"

maybe Richard hid the formula in the spiders DNA and it adapted to spider DNA (obviously) so when the spider bit Peter the venom was replaced with some kind of Sucessful serum

 

[DeathChill]

What does producing more silk have to do with anything? The point is he passed on spider qualities to Peter, making him a subject of cross-species.

Wasn't the only thing the spiders were doing was producing web, which was then harvested? I'd imagine making more of it would be important if that's all they do.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Wasn't the only thing the spiders were doing was producing web, which was then harvested? I'd imagine making more of it would be important if that's all they do.

As of now, all they are doing is producing web. But if you listen to the conversation between Connors and Peter in his home, he mentions how Richard Parker bred the spiders and the results of the cross-species experiments were phenomenal. They weren't just breeding spiders to harvest their webbing.

 

[DeathChill]

As of now, all they are doing is producing web. But if you listen to the conversation between Connors and Peter in his home, he mentions how Richard Parker bred the spiders and the results of the cross-species experiments were phenomenal. They weren't just breeding spiders to harvest their webbing.

I completely missed the part where they mentioned the spiders! Darn!

 

[Picard Sisko]

I completely missed the part where they mentioned the spiders! Darn!

haha its okay I didn't catch onto that until the third time I watched the movie.

 

[AF3619]

As of now, all they are doing is producing web. But if you listen to the conversation between Connors and Peter in his home, he mentions how Richard Parker bred the spiders and the results of the cross-species experiments were phenomenal. They weren't just breeding spiders to harvest their webbing.

There , if you see Cross-species experiments, and if you see the movie Richard had smart ways to hide his research , he made the spiders but the secret for the cross species serum is in the spiders and then the spider bites Peter passing the cross species serum adapted for spider DNA

 

[Web face]

Maybe the spider was given a certain serum, and got all the bad effects of it but when Peter was bitten by the spider, he got powers from both the serum and the spider, but he didn't get the full effects of the serum because he didn't receive it directly.