The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Connection Between the Chamber of 6, Fedora Guy and The Vulture/Doc Ock Harnesses

[Super Jim]

The Gentleman is definitely one of the logical options for the Man in Shadows.

Others are:

- Norman Osborn
- Otto Octavius (Oscorp Engineer/related)
- Alistaire Smythe

Now personally, I believe that the original plan was that the Man in Shadows was Norman. Michael Massee matched the pic in the Oscorp lobby. Now since that time, my guess, is they changed the idea so it's not Norman. They'll never admit this of course...

So now we know that this Man in Shadows will be at Oscorp and will show Harry "The future"!

It's not Norman because likely the scene where Harry says "What about Peter" leads to the chamber scene where some so far unknown guy comes down the elevator and shows Harry "the future". "The future" is what's behind doors #1 through #6 (and possibly even more (I believe a 7th door can be made out).

"The future" includes Vultures wings and Doc Ock's arms. It likely also includes the Goblin's armor, glider and serum. It may also include an eel tank that is used to take Electro's power to the next level, before Electro blows the thing up and upsets Harry to the point where he injects himself with the serum.

Now in the trailer if you listen to "the future" it could be Norman, but it sounds off. I am pretty sure (not 100%) that it's someone else, the guy wearing the fedora. This unknown guy comes down the elevator and shows Harry "The future". So, who is most likely? Well, let me just say that when you hear "the future" it sounds like some guy with an accent.

I've started to come to the realization that it's Otto Octavius, which introduces him as a main character ready to don the arms. He may even need to do so to help Electro go through eel tank stuff.

So, could Michael Masse or Colm Feore pull off Doc Ock?????

Actually, if we go with this version of Otto and not the classic bowl cut version, either actor could work (though I think Massee would be better).

 

[Picard Sisko]

I really don't think TMITS is Doc Ock. Though I do think its very possible that Michael Masse was originally going to be Norman Osborn, though that still is just a rumor. He does resemble the silhouette in the lobby.

What if Michael Masse is someone that was hired to be the face of Oscorp? The REAL Norman Osborn perhaps wouldn't want to show his real face in public because he could be a target, so perhaps he hired someone else (Masse) to use his likeness for the company.

Probably a terrible theory, but it could explain why the Norman Oscorp silhouette in the lobby resembles Masse more than Cooper.

 

[Super Jim]

That's a bit over the top I think. I mean, Norman Osborn would be well known.

It just makes much more sense that Masse was Norman and then changed it. As far as the sign in the lobby, they'll just retcon it by not addressing it. It's a young Norman, and who knows what a younger Chris Cooper-Norman looked like.

Personally, Massee would have been a great Norman-Goblin, but they decided on Cooper. One point to consider is that Cooper is so well known that I can't see them not using him beyond TASM2. That would mean that we'll see him (I believe) in the next movie or two, which would mean possible as the second Goblin. Maybe Peter will kill Haryy causing Norman to want revenge on Spiderman, which is why he will form The Sinister Six!

 

[Picard Sisko]

You're right, its a bit over the top. But it was just a thought that I wanted to get out there.

I don't think the motivation for forming the Sinister Six will be to get revenge from Peter though.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Dmitri Smerdyakov/Gustav Fiers character combo

 

[JOE]

Waltz for Doc Ock and Cranston for Lex. What is so hard for these studios to understand?

 

[Hmarrs]

I've posted in other related threads that I've always felt that one of the Six will be Black Cat, who is "somewhat on the baddie's side", until she comes to her senses and helps Peter to take down one of the bad guys.

Also, I'm starting to think that fedora guy is Otto.

Here it is...
1.Electro
2.Goblin
3.Rhino
4.Vulture is set.
5.Ock is set.
So the question is who is number six?
Who is the Mysterious person in the fadora?
Two mysteries.
Whoever number six is since Goblin is not Osborn must be someone who can lead the six.
Hence why it hasnt been revealed.
It must be someone who can bring it together.
Hence the Man in the Fadora.
Therefore they must be one in the same.
Ok now lets think who of all Spidey characters would be in tune with his his personna to be a M.Y.S.TE.R.Y.?
To play into his Character yet have a mastermind enough bring together the Sinister Six?
Mystery???? Mys...Mys...Myst...(erio)???

The man in the Fadora is MYSTERIO!!!!!
The last missing member and leader of the Synister Six!!!

 

[Picard Sisko]

Ehh I don't think the Fadora guy is Quentin Beck.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Really love the Michael Massee casting. I like his look. And good for him for still being active in acting despite his tragic accident with Brandon Lee.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Really love the Michael Massee casting. I like his look. And good for him for still being active in acting despite his tragic accident with Brandon Lee.

That was such an unfortunate event. Glad to know Masse is still working, too.

 

[Super Jim]

Here it is...
1.Electro
2.Goblin
3.Rhino
4.Vulture is set.
5.Ock is set.
So the question is who is number six?
Who is the Mysterious person in the fadora?
Two mysteries.
Whoever number six is since Goblin is not Osborn must be someone who can lead the six.
Hence why it hasnt been revealed.
It must be someone who can bring it together.
Hence the Man in the Fadora.
Therefore they must be one in the same.
Ok now lets think who of all Spidey characters would be in tune with his his personna to be a M.Y.S.TE.R.Y.?
To play into his Character yet have a mastermind enough bring together the Sinister Six?
Mystery???? Mys...Mys...Myst...(erio)???

The man in the Fadora is MYSTERIO!!!!!
The last missing member and leader of the Synister Six!!!

Nope, not gonna happen. Fedora Guy is an Oscorp guy, that doesn't fit for Beck.

An Oscorp Engineer, like Otto, could work, though so could a guy like the Gentleman or Smythe.

But, with upwards of Six villains we have to know that some will be introduced in TASM2. Rhino will supposedly be able to be brought back, so he's possible. And although I would like to see Electro in the Six, once he is the main baddie in this one, bringing him back as just one of the Six doesn't make a lot of sense.

We know we'll see Harry Goblin, who may or may not get away, and we will finally meet Norman who may or may not survive. If he does it will mean the serum, which means Goblinized. If Harry dies in this one then Norman will be ready to come in, otherwise we'll have Harry.

We've seen the Vulture Wings and Doc Ock Tentacles.

Who, by the way, is normally the leader of the Six?

Who would every fanboy want to see leading (or at least in a semi-leadership role with) the Sinister Six? Yup, Doc Ock!

So here is what we have:

1. Goblin (Either Harry or Norman - likely Harry)
2. Doc Ock (Oscorp Scientist - Field Leader maybe)
3. Vulture
4. Rhino (Likely - need muscle and he'll be available. Will he undergo a cross-species thing to make him different than what we get in TASM2?)
5. ?
6. ?

Possibilities include:

Electro, but that's not likely. Jamie ain't signed and he'll be defeated. Yes, energy doesn't go away, so it is possible.

Black Cat, though she's never been a member in the comics (maybe she was a member of the twelve). We do know that who we suspect will be Felicia will be "somewhat on the baddie's side". That fits as a possibility, and as I've argued would make it easier to defeat 6 as she would turn good and help Spidey.

Doc Connors is possible. Break him out and coerce him through one of a number of means (promise of power, blackmail, threats, etc.). He could also turn and slink away at the opportune time.

Someone we haven't seen as a possibility. Well likely candidates would be Kraven or Mysterio. Many would love to see them, but both of their back stories are out there and would need time to develop. See, with a Rhino you just need to show him as a thug, but with Mysterio you would need to show him as a Hollywood guy, or as some unhappy illusionist who turns to a life of crime. Too much one on one time needed. Kraven could be called in to track down the prey, but again too much one on one time needed, plus there's a really good back story. Why lose out using them.

Venom would be terrible, as it would kill the story, but unfortunately it's a strong possibility. Think about it, you have 7 chambers to fill, and we've only seen two and can speculate that the Goblin stuff is in another. Maybe the Eel tank is in a fourth one. That leaves three that need to have... stuff that pertains to certain villains.

So the likely two others are between Eletro, Black Cat, Doc Connors, Venom (please no) or someone new that doesn't need a lot of backstory, like Scorpion or Shocker.

 

[Picard Sisko]

What if the headless Norman rumor is true? I doubt it, but if that were the case then perhaps Norman would be in the Sinister Six?

 

[Spideyfan117]

I'm thinking Massee's character is just the gentleman. But I do entertain the thought of him being a combination of The Gentleman and Otto Octavius/The Master Planner. In this way, Otto could still technically form the Sinister Six while, at the same time, fulfilling the role of the Gentleman. Just an entertaining thought of mine, though. Nothing more.

 

[Picard Sisko]

The fact that we are all sitting here guessing who the Fedora guy is shows that the post-credits scene of TASM1 worked. IDC if people liked it or not, but it got me pretty darn excited. The trailer sort of spoiled it, but that's another story.

 

[SpeterMan3]

The fact that we are all sitting here guessing who the Fedora guy is shows that the post-credits scene of TASM1 worked. IDC if people liked it or not, but it got me pretty darn excited. The trailer sort of spoiled it, but that's another story.

 

[Super Jim]

^ I still feel that they changed their mind. Massee seemed so obviously Norman, but they ended up wanting Cooper, so they had to change it. That makes more sense.

Again, they'd never admit it, but that's what I think happened.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Its very possible. Also keep in mind that Norman WAS the man in the shadows in the comic books, so it makes sense than Masse could have been cast as him originally. We'll never know, at least not for another 30 years for the studio or director to admit something like that.

 

[Spideyfan117]

What if the headless Norman rumor is true? I doubt it, but if that were the case then perhaps Norman would be in the Sinister Six?

It's possible. But I don't think it would ACTUALLY be his disembodied head. I think it's more likely that it is just his head that is visible. But ya never know what they have up their sleeves. We know Norman is coming back in the next one, but under what circumstances? Who knows?

 

[Picard Sisko]

This is just making me so excited.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

It would be a waste if he is not Toomes..

 

[Picard Sisko]

What if they combine Donald Menken and Adrian Toomes for Vulture?

 

[Airnick]

It would be a waste if he is not Toomes..

I agree. He looks just like him.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I would be cool with,all i want is to vulture happen and Feore is the right person to do it.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Its possible that Vulture is just Osborn's assistant, and they decided to use the name "Menken" instead of "Toomes" to keep things a surprise. Just a theory, IDK lol.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I hope you are right