The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Connection Between the Chamber of 6, Fedora Guy and The Vulture/Doc Ock Harnesses

[Airnick]

I HIGHLY doubt TMITS is Doc Ock. But i could very well be wrong, we're gonna have to wait and see I guess.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I HIGHLY doubt TMITS is Doc Ock. But i could very well be wrong, we're gonna have to wait and see I guess.

I really think that TMITS is the Gentleman, especially now that I am reading The Gathering of the Sinister Six. Unless Marc Webb was just throwing out a red herring, I see no reason for me NOT to believe that's who TMITS really is.

 

[Super Jim]

Well, it does seem like the guy in the fedora (whom we all believe is the same TMITS character) is wearing a lab coat.

He seems to be very involved in all of this equipment that is "the future".

In Ultimate Spiderman it is Otto that works for Oscorp and invents a bunch of stuff.

Introducing more of the Sinister Six earlier makes a lot of sense.

This would be the perfect time to introduce Otto, as Harry is learning about all of this "future" inventions.

Maybe, in the end, TMITS won't be Otto, but it makes sense for him to be introduced now. Now if you really look at all of the possibilities of who this could be the list isn't that long. It's as follows:

- Norman
- The Gentleman
- Alistaire Smythe
- Otto Octavius

And I'll also list some of the less likely options:

- Electro (hey, some people speculated after TASM1 came out)
- Vulture
- Mysterio
- Peter's dad

I think that's all of the ones I've seen.

From bottom up...

- Peter's Dad: Actually, that's my idea. Would be a crazy surprise twist and Connors knew the guy. But it's just unlikely.

- Mysterio: Some people saw the guy disappear and said it's Mysterio. Mysterio is not a mastermind, and this guy obviously is, at least to a degree.

- Vulture: Other than looks, this one doesn't make sense.

- Electro: Some jumped all over the disappearing act at the lightning strike, but I think this one is safely off the list.

Now for the main possibilities:

- Norman: Look, IMO this was where originally they were going, but most of us figured it out too easily. We all know that Norman is the main villain here, and this TMITS seemed to match. The voice matched, as did the look, and hey, I even figured out that the picture in the lobby at Oscorp was the actor Michael Massee, so I feel real confident that originally it was Norman. But, it's very unlikely to be Norman now, and let's be honest, they'll never admit to us that it was originally Norman. So, if Norman is stuck in some bed then it can't be Norman. Plus you would think that if it was Norman he would have told Harry the truth, that he wasn't on his death bed. Nope, it doesn't appear to be Norman (any longer).

The Gentleman: Well, would Webb really have just put it out there like he did? Most likely he realized that TMITS had a similar look to The Gentleman and threw that out there as a red herring. Maybe he was drunk and gave us TMITS, or maybe he was concerned that no one would know who this guy is (some of us fanboys may not have known him - he's that obscure). The Gentleman has used the Sinister Six before, but is this guy a pawn (of Norman's) or a mastermind himself? I would put the Gentleman at the top of the list, mainly because of Webb's comments and the look, but we haven't seen this character smoking a cigarette from a holder yet, so...

Alistaire Smythe: Maybe too young. Could it be his father, Spencer? Age would be right, but still, you can't get more obscure than that. Alistaire is the better villain, but Spider Slayers could be developed by almost any character, and the Ultimate Slayer concept would be a bit over the top. If they were going to go the clone route this could be one way, but that seems a bit out there. Is this guy a possibility? Sure, but not likely.

Otto: The Ultimate Otto worked for Oscorp, and we know Webb likes Ultimate. He wanted to capture Spiderman and use his powers as weapons, which seems to fit the general theme. In Ultimate he actually created the symbiote, and I could see this route being used. He's a mad scientist who always "hides in the shadows" of his lab. In Ultimate he was actually told by Norman to hire the Frightful Four to capture Spiderman and then he also brought together the Sinister Six (Electro, Rhino, Kraven, Beetle and Connors). This plays right into the Sinister Six possibility. We know Doc Ock will be in the Amazing series sooner or later, and right now just makes sense for introducing him. An Otto would be the type to invent "the future" stuff more than any other of the possibilities, with only Allistaire being close. The vulture wings and the tentacles, along with the glider, armor and serum; all seem like something an Oscorp mad scientist would invent.

So if I was Webb and originlly planned on having Norman Osborn be the one in an after credits scene, and then after realizing that everyone figured it out so I wanted to change the character, I would make the character play into this story. And since we are heading towards a Sinister Six, well Otto, the Oscorp Engineer who does Norman's bidding, just makes logical sense.

Or maybe it's The Gentleman!

 

[Picard Sisko]

When does it look like TMITS in the trailer for TASM2 is wearing a lab coat?

 

[Super Jim]

^ When he walks by the wings and tentacles. The coat he is wearing appears to be similar in length and fit to an Engineering lab coat, and we see a guy wearing a lab coat just like that in the pic where Electro is pure energy.



Guess it could just be a regular coat, like what we saw TMITS wearing with Connors, but the fit seems different.

In this pic the coat seems to go down towards the floor.

You can see how the lab coat goes to about mid-thigh.

I also think it's pertinent how the Daily Bugle Tumblr had the following recently:


By Joy Mercado
Some people have visions of the future. Me?
I went and saw it with my own eyes.
Behind the ridiculously fortified superdoors of Oscorp Industries headquarters the future waits patiently for the rest of us to arrive. Only a privileged few reside there — guardians of the secrets that only time (and intrepid journalists!) will reveal.
Under pressure to quiet growing Wall Street rumors of plans gone awry, Oscorp spokesman Donald Menken gave me a glimpse into that future.
I was only given limited access to this room, and legally I can’t discuss what I saw in detail. I can barely describe what I saw now. Had I stepped just one foot deeper, it would have been too overwhelming for me to handle.
Prototypes from the United States Military? CHECK. Alternative energy experiments? CHECK. Stuff I don’t understand enough to even describe it correctly? SUPERCHECK.
It’s like what my childhood closet would have looked like if all toys were free and unlimited — but Oscorp’s toys can save the world…or obliterate it.
So, if the future is already in the warehouse, how do they keep advancing? When money is no object, it means the best facilities filled with the brightest minds in science.
The scientific rumor mill (there is such a thing — I checked) has floated every leading name as a possible contributor. But none is more intriguing than world-renowned nuclear researcher Otto Octavius.
When asked about that rumor, Mr. Menken replied, “I can’t confirm or deny any rumors you read on the web. We talk to a number of different scientists every day about our special projects.”

 

[JOE]

Plot twist: Sam Wilson is the Vulture.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Why would he be wearing that hat with a lab coat? TMITS is probably just wearing his usual suit.

 

[Super Jim]

I agree the hat is odd, but they may need to create the connection to the original TMITS. I believe I have seen Otto wearing a fedora while also wearing his labcoat. Still odd though.

Here is another excerpt from the Tumblr site:

Other highlights included a preview of a flight harness for the military and significant advancements in robotics by the head of the engineering division, Spencer Smythe.

So now I'm torm between Spencer and Otto. Both make sense in many ways and both have been mentioned on the Tumblr site as engineering experts working for Oscorp.

 

[younglink42]

^ When he walks by the wings and tentacles. The coat he is wearing appears to be similar in length and fit to an Engineering lab coat, and we see a guy wearing a lab coat just like that in the pic where Electro is pure energy.



Guess it could just be a regular coat, like what we saw TMITS wearing with Connors, but the fit seems different.

In this pic the coat seems to go down towards the floor.

You can see how the lab coat goes to about mid-thigh.

I also think it's pertinent how the Daily Bugle Tumblr had the following recently:


By Joy Mercado
Some people have visions of the future. Me?
I went and saw it with my own eyes.
Behind the ridiculously fortified superdoors of Oscorp Industries headquarters the future waits patiently for the rest of us to arrive. Only a privileged few reside there — guardians of the secrets that only time (and intrepid journalists!) will reveal.
Under pressure to quiet growing Wall Street rumors of plans gone awry, Oscorp spokesman Donald Menken gave me a glimpse into that future.
I was only given limited access to this room, and legally I can’t discuss what I saw in detail. I can barely describe what I saw now. Had I stepped just one foot deeper, it would have been too overwhelming for me to handle.
Prototypes from the United States Military? CHECK. Alternative energy experiments? CHECK. Stuff I don’t understand enough to even describe it correctly? SUPERCHECK.
It’s like what my childhood closet would have looked like if all toys were free and unlimited — but Oscorp’s toys can save the world…or obliterate it.
So, if the future is already in the warehouse, how do they keep advancing? When money is no object, it means the best facilities filled with the brightest minds in science.
The scientific rumor mill (there is such a thing — I checked) has floated every leading name as a possible contributor. But none is more intriguing than world-renowned nuclear researcher Otto Octavius.
When asked about that rumor, Mr. Menken replied, “I can’t confirm or deny any rumors you read on the web. We talk to a number of different scientists every day about our special projects.”

Are you talking about the man right next to Harry or the person with the lab coat?

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I think Vulture's costume color will match the color of the wings we saw in the trailer, but they could still change it to anything else. I think red and black might be ideal since it would be unique.

If they use Shocker, then I wonder what he'll look like. I want it to be more creative than his look from USM, but deviate away from the 616 costume. This would never look good on screen:

I disagree. If you removed of the quilted look, "The Spectacular Spider-Man" look could work. It looks more like an armored suit than a skintight costume.

 

[Super Jim]

The Tumblr site did have some mentions about Shocker...

As far as the labcoat, there is only one guy in that pic where Electro is pure energy that is wearing a lab coat, and he's towards the top - right.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Maybe. I think they should avoid that costume as much as possible, but the version from TSSM is a lot better.

 

[sl500jazz]

Just posted this in another thread, but figured it was important enough ti have it's own...

Just figured out something really cool...

We all know (hence this thread) about the Vulture Winged harness and the Doc Ock arm harness, as shown below:

Then we have these pics of Harry being brought down in some chamber with (at least) 6 bay doors:

So at first I was thinking, hey, if I was going to have these different aparati and things to create a squad of super powered baddies, well hey, this is the kind of place I would hide it...

Since no one else has yet to pick up on this I looked at the two sets of picks and did notice the solid black lines on the ground, which kind of match, but then the lighting on the walls and the spacing between the bay doors didn't...

Well, after that I just about gave up on this silly notion of mine, especially with the rumors of the shot being from a mid credits scene...

But a little while ago I was watching the trailer yet again and this time I noticed a frame at 1 minute and 22 seconds where the first room (the one Harry is in) opens into an outer room (the one with the Vulture wings, Doc Ock harness and some guy in a fedora walking).

In fact, I now believe that that first shot of what looks like as elevator is Harry watching the fedora guy come down (in the elevator) into the room. Fedora guy would then open the bay doors revealing all of the (at least) 6 things before taking his stroll past Ock's arms and Vulture's wings.

This is right when we hear Harry say "what is all this" and the fedora guy (who is likely (but not definitely) the "man in the shadows" from the end credits scene of Amazing 1) respond "the future"...

If we can figure out who is saying (in a very noticeable - is that German - accept, I must say) "the future", well we'll definitely answer a lot of our questions. We'll know who the mastermind (at least working for Norman) behind everything is. Listening again I think it's possible that it's Norman, but I'm not yet 100%. And my German comment probably told most of you that I think it could be Otto...

I think it's a very safe bet that one of those rooms has a Goblin Glider, and maybe some chemicals to tranform Harry, which will lead to:

And:

The point?

No one else has put these two events together. Many have speculated that the Dok Ock arms and the Vulture Wings are from an mid-credits scene after Amazing Spiderman 2. Well, sure seems that that is not correct since we know Harry will be turned into the Goblin and it looks like he does this with the help of Fedora Guy in Chamber 6.

Also, we have Harry saying "We literally can change the world", right after being shown this stuff and then him talking with dear old Dad, who seems bedridden, asking "what about Peter?". Looking at both pics, shown below:

It all looks to be at about the same point in the movie...

That would actually mean that fedora guy is not Norman, unless he mustered enougn strength to take his little stroll through Sinister Six-ville and then collapsed back into bed. That's a bit unlikely, making me think that fedora guy is someone else...

Am wondering what the (at least) other 3 things we will see are?

Let's speculate, since obviously these 6 bays have something (everything) to do with the Sinister 6 (something I surmised a long time ago)...

#1: Doc Ock - We see the harness
#2: Vulture - We see the wings
#3: Harry Goblin/Hobgoblin - Pretty obvious that the glider (and stuff) will be in one of the bays
#4: Venom Symbiote?
#5: Mysterio's Fishbowl outfit?
#6: Scorpion's suit?
#7: Chameleon's Belt?
#8: ?????

It's tough. Obviously each bay would need something physically iconic to show who it will be. The harness and wings meet this requirement, as would some black, sentient goo or the Goblin Glider. Besides the others I mentioned above, what villains use/need a physical item?

Anyway, what do you guys think?

Btw, I don't know if someone pointed this out already, but the trailer is misleading. Harry isn't in the chamber in that pic. He's looking at Electro (the blue light reflecting off the wall).

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Btw, I don't know if someone pointed this out already, but the trailer is misleading. Harry isn't in the chamber in that pic. He's looking at Electro (the blue light reflecting off the wall).

Yeah someone pointed that already. All good. I agree. At that point, it looks like Harry's been turned to "the dark side" already.

 

[Zaron]

I disagree. If you removed of the quilted look, "The Spectacular Spider-Man" look could work. It looks more like an armored suit than a skintight costume.

Agreed! Shocker doesn't get enough love, IMO. Keeping my fingers crossed that he'll make it into the next Spidey film, even if it's just a small role.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Btw, I don't know if someone pointed this out already, but the trailer is misleading. Harry isn't in the chamber in that pic. He's looking at Electro (the blue light reflecting off the wall).

Harry probably goes into the chamber much later when he turns into the Goblin. But is Electro at Ravencroft or at Oscorp? Where is the 6 door chamber located?

 

[Zaron]

Catching up on this thread, it never even occurred to me TMITS could be Ock. Not sure he will be, but it's certainly a pretty clever theory. I would love to see Ock play a bigger role in this universe.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Oh its definitely an interesting theory, though I think its a bit of a stretch. I do believe, however, that TMITS used Mysterio to help him "disappear" from Connors cell.

 

[Zaron]

I think there's a good chance that the supposed teleportation is just movie magic and not meant to be taken seriously. If the Ock theory were to be true, there's also the possibility that Ock has access to all sorts of Oscorp tech, and just hasn't become attatched to the arms just yet.

However on the basis of the teleporting alone, Mysterio is the most likely candidate, but I don't think it'll be him. I still think he'll turn out to be the Gentleman.

 

[Picard Sisko]

What I meant about Mysterio is that he could have created the "illusion" that TMITS was in the cell with Connors, y'know? If TMITS really is the Gentleman, it would make sense, since he tried using Mysterio to his advantage in the book, "The Gathering of the Sinister Six."

 

[Zaron]

What I meant about Mysterio is that he could have created the "illusion" that TMITS was in the cell with Connors, y'know? If TMITS really is the Gentleman, it would make sense, since he tried using Mysterio to his advantage in the book, "The Gathering of the Sinister Six."

Oh! Sorry, I see what you mean. That makes sense.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Ah, the possibilities!

 

[SpideyFan866]

There is ZERO doubt in my mind, that The Man In The Shadows is really Norman Osborn, and that the man we see on that bed, "dying", is nothing but a decoy. Probably none other than The Chameleon, hired by Norman to pose as him while he, under a different guise, plots behind the scenes.

 

[Airnick]

There is ZERO doubt in my mind, that The Man In The Shadows is really Norman Osborn, and that the man we see on that bed, "dying", is nothing but a decoy. Probably none other than The Chameleon.

It's definitely a possibility.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Its a possibility, but I don't know if that's really the case. It WOULD explain how the silhouette resembles Michael Masse more than Chris Cooper though.