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Drama The Crown (Netflix, series concluded)

Gotta feel bad for Diana throughout all of this. For some reason always thought there was some love or even a friendship between Charles and Diana but the way this show is portraying things it makes it seem like they weren't even friends.
 
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A younger version of one of these characters returns via flashback in episode 8
 
Gotta feel bad for Diana throughout all of this. For some reason always thought there was some love or even a friendship between Charles and Diana but the way this show is portraying things it makes it seem like they weren't even friends.

I think I vaguely recall they didn’t really even know each other, but I could be wrong.
 
Just finished bingeing season 4, and all I gotta say is wow.

It was as if they went back in time, got Diana , and had her perform her own story.

Emma Corrin became Diana, in a way I haven't seen any other actress do up to this point.

As someone who grew up watching the real Princess Diana in the 80s and 90s, it was like seeing her again .

It wasn't just that she looked like her, but she had combination of warmth, charm, sensitivity, and the slyness that Diana had.

It was eerie , and imo, she's set the bar high for the next actress playing her in season 5 and for Kirsten Stewart.

It does make me wary that they've recast the role for Season 5.

The actress who's playing her next is a good actress, but Corrin was Princess Diana, so it's gonna be hard to top imo.
 
Fun fact: Helena Bonham Carter plays Princess Margaret in The Crown, but played the Queen Mother in The King's Speech.
I Suddenly realised this last night and was about to post this fact sometime today!!
 
My reaction to Charles statement on Andrews wedding day
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Just finished the season being an American this was very insightful and I know Diana was very much loved by the English people but I feel they made her too sympathetic and almost made it like she was in an abusive relationship. I am not saying Charles was perfect or anything like that but I think both of them could've handled the relationship much better. Especially Charles, he could've been more caring to her needs and even if he didn't love her he could've respected her much more than he did and the same goes with Diana. But once again given how loved she is and how she died it is very hard to write her in a different light. And someone had to come off as the villain in this so it might as well have been Charles. But over all it was a good season and if this meant to link up to The Queen though I think they should've let their relationship play out more. Showing how they did try to make it work for a couple of years before just giving up and start seeing other people.
 
The relationship was a toxic one by all accounts. Even as an American growing up in the 90s, it became common knowledge that the Prince and Princess of Wales had a pretty bad relationship even in the 90s.

It was a relationship ultimately built on the idea of Charles having a suitable mate and that mate giving him heirs.

Ultimately, she fell in love with a man who was in love with a married woman , and a man who also resented having to be in a relationship with a woman, he didn't love for the sake of the crown.

At the same time, he carried on the affair after wedding, and Camilla was always a presence.

At the same time, she was expected just to put up with it by the Royals. No, the Royals didn't approve of the would be King carrying on with a married woman, but at the same time , there was a sense that Diana, like alot of wives of Monarchs and politicians , is just supposed to put up with it and stay silent.

She was a very young woman thrown into a machine and institution that was very much stuck in the 19th century, while Diana was very much a 1970s and 1980s young woman with beliefs and ways of expressing emotions that conflicted with the Royal image and comportment .

Now , she did have affairs in kind , and she did have all kinds of issues which she talked about in interviews and which her close confidants talked about . She also eventually learned how to play to the press, though alot of her more media savvy moves we probably won't see until Season 5 as we get into the mid 90s.

I felt the series gave a pretty clear view of who Diana was with her strengths and her flaws at least in season 4.

She was a charming and charismatic person who was not only popular in Britain, but her in the US. She did wear her heart on her sleeve which made her more relatable than the other Royals who came off as stiff and distant. It was her empathy ,and her grounded attitude which is why she was dubbed "The People's Princess".

Now Charles of course , didn't come off as well, but then again, his antics , behavior, and feelings about the Marriage and Diana during this period, that the Crown has shown ,really aren't that far from reality.

Season 4 does take Diana's point of view in terms of the relationship, no question. Then again, no one at the time, or even so much today , really defends Charles's actions back then, and even though he and Camilla are accepted as a couple today, how they got there isn't exactly consider a shining moment.
 
Fantastic season. Anderson gave a great performance but Corrin embodied Diana. I'm so happy to see younger generation discover this story and direct their fury at Charles.

Just finished the season being an American this was very insightful and I know Diana was very much loved by the English people but I feel they made her too sympathetic and almost made it like she was in an abusive relationship. I am not saying Charles was perfect or anything like that but I think both of them could've handled the relationship much better. Especially Charles, he could've been more caring to her needs and even if he didn't love her he could've respected her much more than he did and the same goes with Diana. But once again given how loved she is and how she died it is very hard to write her in a different light. And someone had to come off as the villain in this so it might as well have been Charles. But over all it was a good season and if this meant to link up to The Queen though I think they should've let their relationship play out more. Showing how they did try to make it work for a couple of years before just giving up and start seeing other people.

She WAS in an abusive relationship.
 
The relationship was a toxic one by all accounts. Even as an American growing up in the 90s, it became common knowledge that the Prince and Princess of Wales had a pretty bad relationship even in the 90s.

It was a relationship ultimately built on the idea of Charles having a suitable mate and that mate giving him heirs.

Ultimately, she fell in love with a man who was in love with a married woman , and a man who also resented having to be in a relationship with a woman, he didn't love for the sake of the crown.

At the same time, he carried on the affair after wedding, and Camilla was always a presence.

At the same time, she was expected just to put up with it by the Royals. No, the Royals didn't approve of the would be King carrying on with a married woman, but at the same time , there was a sense that Diana, like alot of wives of Monarchs and politicians , is just supposed to put up with it and stay silent.

She was a very young woman thrown into a machine and institution that was very much stuck in the 19th century, while Diana was very much a 1970s and 1980s young woman with beliefs and ways of expressing emotions that conflicted with the Royal image and comportment .

Now , she did have affairs in kind , and she did have all kinds of issues which she talked about in interviews and which her close confidants talked about . She also eventually learned how to play to the press, though alot of her more media savvy moves we probably won't see until Season 5 as we get into the mid 90s.

I felt the series gave a pretty clear view of who Diana was with her strengths and her flaws at least in season 4.

She was a charming and charismatic person who was not only popular in Britain, but her in the US. She did wear her heart on her sleeve which made her more relatable than the other Royals who came off as stiff and distant. It was her empathy ,and her grounded attitude which is why she was dubbed "The People's Princess".

Now Charles of course , didn't come off as well, but then again, his antics , behavior, and feelings about the Marriage and Diana during this period, that the Crown has shown ,really aren't that far from reality.

Season 4 does take Diana's point of view in terms of the relationship, no question. Then again, no one at the time, or even so much today , really defends Charles's actions back then, and even though he and Camilla are accepted as a couple today, how they got there isn't exactly consider a shining moment.
I agree with you because when Diana died I was about 14 or 15 and even over here in the US it was a huge deal. My point is that I just feel like the marriage wasn't as B&W as the show made it out to be and they only showed it from one persons pov (mainly because Charles and the crown will not talk about it) but I do believe they did they to give it a go at some point. I just think that both sides were in the wrong but more Charles than Diana because being the male in the relationship he should've stood up to his parents and put an end to things rather than let it drag out. Even though both of them lead their own separate lives Charles should've been man enough to put an end to things way before it got out of hand. But I don't think it is as B&W as they make it seem but as I said before because of how beloved Diana is and how she died you can't write her in a bad light or semi bad light what so ever.
 
Absolutely loved this season. Major kudos to whomever does the casting for the show. Every season just seems perfectly cast and the addition of Emma and Gillian was no exception.
 
Amazing season. I actually want to watch the whole thing again because I went through it so quickly.

I thought it was pretty amazing how this show even gives the most despicable characters moments where you actually feel bad for them, despite everything else they do.

Corrin was perfect as Diana, her story was so tragic. I'm not from the UK so I was 10 when Diana died and her death was the first time I'd even heard of her. My 5th grade teacher made us watch her funeral in class because she wanted us to know who she was. While I had an idea of what her life was like, it's still sad to watch this part of it play out this way, even if it was a bit embellished.

It was nice to see Claire Foy back for a minute too.
 
Glad to report that after feeling sympathetic towards Charles in season 2 and 3, I’m back to hating his ass again with this season :funny:. Overall this was pretty great. The acting was phenomenal as always. Olivia Colman was even better than the last season. As were Erin Doherty, Josh O’Connor and Tobias Menzies. I don’t think I loved Emma Corrin and Gillian Anderson in their roles as much as everyone else seems to have but they were still really good. It’s so strange looking forward to the next season and the new cast while at the same time being sad about this cast leaving, especially since I miss the old one still :O.
 
and the crazy thing is this next season is the last time the Royals had such an annus horriblus... or whatever the latin term used was.
 
My God. This show ain’t even over yet, and based on current events, it’s already got a built in revival.

The original plan was going with 6 seasons to stop early 2000s. I wonder if that will change, depends on how much drama will follow for sure.
 
The original plan was going with 6 seasons to stop early 2000s. I wonder if that will change, depends on how much drama will follow for sure.
Was originally 6 seasons, then changed to 5 seasons and now its back to 6 seasons.
 
I think it's too soon, but for sure in a decade or so the current creative team may tackle all this once the dust has settled. I would wait until the Queen has passed before tackling the past 20 years.
 
Just finished watching The Crown & I enjoyed it. It’s obviously loosely based on real-life but I was really taken away by the historical recreation of everything & the performances.

The first two seasons held my interest far more than 3 & 4, partly because I wasn’t as familiar with the royal family of that era compared to the 80s and 90s.

I could not get into any of Princess Margaret's love-related stories after they ended the Peter Townsend chapter and I have to admit the scenes showing the troubled marriage between Charles & Diana did get start to get repetitive.

But all of the performances, particularly from Claire Foy & Matt Smith, were superb.
 
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I think it's too soon, but for sure in a decade or so the current creative team may tackle all this once the dust has settled. I would wait until the Queen has passed before tackling the past 20 years.

Yes, I think that's a great idea.
 

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