The Curious Case of Spider-Man & Hulk Rights (Or Keep Hope Alive That the Rights Will Revert)

[NotNickFury]

Honestly I don’t see how u can be a spidey fan and want these films to succeed. Unless ur some super fan of the asm franchise and love Avi arad I can’t see how anything Sony does or do from now on will be good. It’s not like venom was this groundbreaking masterpiece. It was ok. But like I said. I firmly believe the GA thought it was an mcu movie

Easy. Because I'm a fan of movies first, not just because they have spandex wearing heroes in them. I get that we as comic fans love to wear our hearts on our sleeves, but there's no point in rooting for a film to flop just because one character isn't in the cinematic universe that you'd prefer. That's just petty.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

If it sucks it deserves to flop and I'll laugh at it too. lets fight! lolololol

 

[wobbly]

I didn't like Venom, thought it was a mess of a film, but I can give the 2nd a chance.

I'd be a little concerned though that the 1st one doing so well doesn't teach Sony any lessons, other than it didnt have to be much good to get big bucks regardless.

Hopefully Serkis & co will improve on the first effort.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Tom Rothman interfered with the editing of Venom 1 I have 0 faith he won't do the same again especially after how well it did financially.

He could care less who is behind the camera.

If i hear good things i'll give it a chance.

 

[ironwez20]

Easy. Because I'm a fan of movies first, not just because they have spandex wearing heroes in them. I get that we as comic fans love to wear our hearts on our sleeves, but there's no point in rooting for a film to flop just because one character isn't in the cinematic universe that you'd prefer. That's just petty.

Lol so you trust Sony after everything that happened? This has nothing to do with mcu or not. You literally have the worst team working with these movies in the form of Avi and rothman who had the worst decisions for the franchise. So I have no faith in them delivering quality content after the history that happened before. It’s strange how anyone can really think Sony could possibly put out good movies again. But let’s hope they stop meddling in people’s vision and let them just make the movie they want to make.

Cause I have a feeling they want to try again at some dumb universe

 

[Frodo]

Lol so you trust Sony after everything that happened? This has nothing to do with mcu or not. You literally have the worst team working with these movies in the form of Avi and rothman who had the worst decisions for the franchise. So I have no faith in them delivering quality content after the history that happened before. It’s strange how anyone can really think Sony could possibly put out good movies again. But let’s hope they stop meddling in people’s vision and let them just make the movie they want to make.

Cause I have a feeling they want to try again at some dumb universe

Well, I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I think there is a difference between having no faith in Sony delivering a decent movie as opposed to rooting for them to make a crappy movie .

The reality is, like it or not , Sony has put out Spiderman films which the public has liked , Spiderman 1 and 2, Into the Spiderverse, Venom , and ASM 1 which was on the lower end.

SM3 was baaad , but it was a hit film and the biggest moneymaker of the Raimi era. The only real disappointment moneywise was ASM 2.

So Sony's record is mixed but they have more wins than losses as far as the GA is concerned. Same arguement can be made for WB with Batman films, and James Bond producers over 50 years.

That said , being skeptical of Arad is totally fair given his past. That's not the same as hoping another Tom Holland led Spiderman film fails for the sake of punishing Sony. If that does happen it sucks for Holland more than Rothman. Rothman would likely just demand a reboot without Marvel anyway and let Holland go.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Lol so you trust Sony after everything that happened? This has nothing to do with mcu or not. You literally have the worst team working with these movies in the form of Avi and rothman who had the worst decisions for the franchise. So I have no faith in them delivering quality content after the history that happened before. It’s strange how anyone can really think Sony could possibly put out good movies again. But let’s hope they stop meddling in people’s vision and let them just make the movie they want to make.

Cause I have a feeling they want to try again at some dumb universe

I don't have faith that Sony is going to make the greatest movies, either. That doesn't mean I'm actively rooting against them. I hope Sony puts out the greatest Spider-Man movies ever. Trust in the company has nothing to do with that.

 

[ironwez20]

I don't have faith that Sony is going to make the greatest movies, either. That doesn't mean I'm actively rooting against them. I hope Sony puts out the greatest Spider-Man movies ever. Trust in the company has nothing to do with that.

Well I don’t believe they can but that’s just me. Gave them ample chances

 

[ironwez20]

Well, I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I think there is a difference between having no faith in Sony delivering a decent movie as opposed to rooting for them to make a crappy movie .

The reality is, like it or not , Sony has put out Spiderman films which the public has liked , Spiderman 1 and 2, Into the Spiderverse, Venom , and ASM 1 which was on the lower end.

SM3 was baaad , but it was a hit film and the biggest moneymaker of the Raimi era. The only real disappointment moneywise was ASM 2.

So Sony's record is mixed but they have more wins than losses as far as the GA is concerned. Same arguement can be made for WB with Batman films, and James Bond producers over 50 years.

That said , being skeptical of Arad is totally fair given his past. That's not the same as hoping another Tom Holland led Spiderman film fails for the sake of punishing Sony. If that does happen it sucks for Holland more than Rothman. Rothman would likely just demand a reboot without Marvel anyway and let Holland go.

Sm1 and 2 were all raimi and his vision on Spider-Man and Sony stepped in and ruined it with Spider-Man 3 and I’m not giving Sony a pass cause they made a good cartoon movie. Let’s see them use that same energy on a live action adaptation of the character

 

[Nardz937]

Sony can be stupid and they have definitely made some bad choices when it comes to Spidey, but when they're at their best they're still responsible for some of my favorite adaptations of the character.

They said they learned, so we'll see.

This is the situation we are in now so we just have to hope for the best. Hoping for a project to fail out of brand loyalty is silly, if Sony can deliver a good Spider-Man movie I'll support it, if Marvel Studios also can I'll support it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well I don’t believe they can but that’s just me. Gave them ample chances

Again you don't have to believe in something in order to hope for a different result. Why would you actively hope that Spider-Man fails? That's not good for Marvel, that's not good for fans, that's not good for anybody. I don't see why anyone would hope for failure just because they don't like past movies they made. Again, I can understand hoping that a bad movie fails. But let's have that conversation when it's clear we have a bad Spider-Man movie to talk about.

 

[Zarex]

If the Rothman-Arad dream team hands off Sony Spidey to the right team - say Lord & Miller or Raimi - and gives them control over the Venomverse I could see it possibly succeeding. But both Tom and Ari have awful reps for stepping in and imposing their poor creative instincts onto the CBMs in which they have been involved. So I have my doubts.

 

[Detective Conan]

Feige always said, "just go see cool movies" regardless of what studio they come from. If Sony makes a good Spider-Man film do you know who'll be the first to support it? Marvel Studios specifically Kevin Feige, who not only see's DC films like Aquaman but the Sony Spider-Man films like Into The Spider-Verse which he has claimed to have loved.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

The Sony of the past didn't have Tom Rothman he's 1-1 critically 2-0 monetarily (spider verse did well enough to be a win no?)

The badly received critically was the one he 100% ruined in the editing room and it's the one that made money... which means he'll probably pull the same crap again.

It's what he does everyone in the industry knows it Robert Meyer Burnett in one of his live chats says he saw it happen in person lol venom is not some isolated incident.

Remember in the leaked deadpool test footage at the end where he says "hi tom" that was his jab at Rothman.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Top Sony Executives Disillusioned With Film Chairman Tom Rothman (EXCLUSIVE)

Here's an article from Variety from 2016

 

[Detective Conan]

I guess Sony can be the new Fox and be hit-or-miss with their stuff but frankly I don’t see how they’re not bought out within the next five to six years. This year was good for them but I don’t think they have what it takes to survive this current climate.

 

[Ninjablade]

Did Venom really even get ruined in the editing room? I don't remember any kind of articles coming out about test screenings being unanimously praised. Yeah, the actual movie isn't that good, but most of that comes down the actual script. It definitely has some editing issues in terms of story structure, but who knows what that movie could've ended up as.

To say Rothman is responsible for that movie being bad seems to be baseless. If anything the Deadline article that even commented on the subject matter made it seem like he made it better.

I still don't know if I would trust him at all. His track record with the X-Men was pretty poor and there isn't enough of a sample size for Spider-Man to really say. Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach scare me. Those guys are clueless. Amy Pascal is a wildcard. She seems clueless as well, but she's spent a lot of time with Feige so maybe she learned something. I don't know. The future is definitely uncertain, and I'm very curious to see how it all pans out. I just want the best for the character.

 

[ironwez20]

Again you don't have to believe in something in order to hope for a different result. Why would you actively hope that Spider-Man fails? That's not good for Marvel, that's not good for fans, that's not good for anybody. I don't see why anyone would hope for failure just because they don't like past movies they made. Again, I can understand hoping that a bad movie fails. But let's have that conversation when it's clear we have a bad Spider-Man movie to talk about.

Cause I don’t want the brand to be tarnished again. When asm franchise came out nobody seemed to care about Spider-Man whatsoever and it felt like people were getting tired of it. Loki was more popular. So you can believe all you want that Sony will pull a great movie but as of right now yes I believe Sony will provide horribke content and will of course drive the brand further into the ground like last time with there stupid ideas.
They listen to that hack Avi like he’s the gospel.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Cause I don’t want the brand to be tarnished again. When asm franchise came out nobody seemed to care about Spider-Man whatsoever and it felt like people were getting tired of it. Loki was more popular. So you can believe all you want that Sony will pull a great movie but as of right now yes I believe Sony will provide horribke content and will of course drive the brand further into the ground like last time with there stupid ideas.
They listen to that hack Avi like he’s the gospel.

You realize if Sony crashes and burns with their next Spider-Man movies, then that's going to tarnish the brand correct? So in effect, you're rooting for the brand to be tarnished.

 

[ironwez20]

You realize if Sony crashes and burns with their next Spider-Man movies, then that's going to tarnish the brand correct? So in effect, you're rooting for the brand to be tarnished.

Nah spidey can be saved just like before. But releasing lack luster movie after lack luster movie won’t hekp the brand at all. So if Sony goes under then marvel will get full control and do what they want without Sony breathing down there necks about how things should be made. It didn’t help xmen that fox kept releasing bland movies with some exceptions here and there and it’s not gonna help spidey either.

Mcu Spider-Man wasn’t perfect but I trust them more than I do Sony

 

[MbJ]

This is akin to the many X-Men fans I knew on places like Twitter who were praying Dark Phoenix would bomb but were then somehow surprised by the news that it'd be a few years before we actually get word on a new MCU X-Men movie rather than an instant announcement.

 

[Frodo]

Sm1 and 2 were all raimi and his vision on Spider-Man and Sony stepped in and ruined it with Spider-Man 3 and I’m not giving Sony a pass cause they made a good cartoon movie. Let’s see them use that same energy on a live action adaptation of the character

You can give them a pass or not, the reality is, Sony has made successful Spiderman films with Raimi, one with Webb, an Oscar winning cartoon, and Venom which fandom proclaimed would bomb. The GA has loved or liked for the majority of Sony Spiderman films most part, and those were films without Marvel/Disney. Even SM3, while bad was a hit film.

We can talk about who contributed what to which film, but at the end of the day, they were produced by Sony and the audience has liked the majority of what they've produced. The numbers don't lie on that , even if there are fans who don't like that.

Now me, I'm not talking about giving Sony a pass ,because i've been following the Spiderman franchise since before there was a franchise in the 90s, and before anyone heard of the idea of a cinematic universe. I've seen Spiderman go from being stuck in the courts to Sony choosing Sam Raimi and the casting of Spiderman down between Freddie Prinze Jr and Tobey Macguire. I was a following the development of a potential Spiderman film in the 90s when Tom Holland was in diapers. This ain't my first rodeo . I've seen Sony create the franchise, and i've seen Sony run the franchise into the ground .

Sony could very well mess it up, but as a Spiderman fan i'm certainly not hoping Sony messes it up.I certainly won't apologize for wanting the next film under Sony to be good and for Tom Holland to have another hit.

I can believe Sony will screw it up , but I certainly won't hope that they screw it up.

 

[rebellion]

Im not a fan of this mess of a situation, but its hilarious how some people pretend sony is absolutely incompetent, when they still gave us spiderman 1/2, spiderverse, AND pushed for tom holland to be cast over asa butterfield. But hey, keep riding disney's you-know-what. I hope theres a reward.

 

[TheVileOne]

This is akin to the many X-Men fans I knew on places like Twitter who were praying Dark Phoenix would bomb but were then somehow surprised by the news that it'd be a few years before we actually get word on a new MCU X-Men movie rather than an instant announcement.

I wasn't surprised.

 

[ironwez20]

You can give them a pass or not, the reality is, Sony has made successful Spiderman films with Raimi, one with Webb, an Oscar winning cartoon, and Venom which fandom proclaimed would bomb. The GA has loved or liked for the majority of Sony Spiderman films most part, and those were films without Marvel/Disney. Even SM3, while bad was a hit film.

We can talk about who contributed what to which film, but at the end of the day, they were produced by Sony and the audience has liked the majority of what they've produced. The numbers don't lie on that , even if there are fans who don't like that.

Now me, I'm not talking about giving Sony a pass ,because i've been following the Spiderman franchise since before there was a franchise in the 90s, and before anyone heard of the idea of a cinematic universe. I've seen Spiderman go from being stuck in the courts to Sony choosing Sam Raimi and the casting of Spiderman down between Freddie Prinze Jr and Tobey Macguire. I was a following the development of a potential Spiderman film in the 90s when Tom Holland was in diapers. This ain't my first rodeo . I've seen Sony create the franchise, and i've seen Sony run the franchise into the ground .

Sony could very well mess it up, but as a Spiderman fan i'm certainly not hoping Sony messes it up.I certainly won't apologize for wanting the next film under Sony to be good and for Tom Holland to have another hit.

I can believe Sony will screw it up , but I certainly won't hope that they screw it up.

Nice. But like I said. 1/2 was all raimis doing not purely Sony. Sony butted in and looked what happened.

The Webb films are a mess and are absolutely terrible in direction. I like how people seem to of forgotten this and act like Sony didn’t just make a terrible franchise that made gotg better by comparison.

Into the spiderverse is a damn cartoon movie. Let’s see them put that same energy into a live action movie.

Venom was ok but it ain’t nothing special .

So yea I don’t like what Sony is doing and I don’t believe they can put out a good product. Sue me. I don’t like the company and feel like they don’t get the character. I don’t like the people involved and I don’t trust a company that screwed up 3 times. I’m not going to suddenly be in good spirits cause they give us a good cartoon movie and a decent venom movie. We will see what happens