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The Darth and Leaguer Threads

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Ok I admit i am not totally sure what is going on here but i did read the post that was reported, the one made by the Leaguer about Assassin shoving things up his ass, irreverent and silly yes but never struck me as much more than that.

I'd say that all sections need a lounge, it's a natural thing, as for the thread that was trashed, it stays locked but i can move it back so it can be read.

*wild applause*
 
Want me to ramp up the Malice reign of terror to take the heat off Morg?
 
Want me to ramp up the Malice reign of terror to take the heat off Morg?

So in other words even if there's evidence that a mod is abusing there power and outright LYING to cover their asses there's nothing we can do about it

Come on Malice, you're better than that :huh:
 
So in other words even if there's evidence that a mod is abusing there power and outright LYING to cover their asses there's nothing we can do about it

Come on Malice, you're better than that :huh:

Let me see...
If I say yes, you will rail us for covering up a consppirancy...

If I say no, you will accuse us of lieing on behalf of our mod and poor judgement..

Why dont you just assume I answered you, and make your decision and reply to my supposed response, lets get it all out now...because regardless of my response, you wont be happy.

(sorry, I really cannot spell this morning)
 
Let me see...
If I say yes, you will rail us for covering up a consppirancy...

If I say no, you will accuse us of lieing on behalf of our mod and poor judgement..

Why dont you just assume I answered you, and make your decision and reply to my supposed response, lets get it all out now...because regardless of my response, you wont be happy.

(sorry, I really cannot spell this morning)

Happy to debate this with you Malice. In fact, as stated in the thread that's ALL I want. I want the moderation process to be more open to scrutiny. Because ultimately if the mods are doing their jobs right there should be no issue with open discussion in the thread where the issue occurred. Morg is sneaky, he'll delete posts or lock threads rather than dealing with the issue

As has been clearly illustrated in this thread he will lie to cover his tracks and avoid suspicion.

You say that you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't but I really don't see it that way and I don't think the other posters do either. As mods you guys have to be honest because you set the example for the rest of the board. Now I can understand your stance of taking the mod's side if it's there word against ours because ultimately there has to be some overriding authority on the boards. You can't be coming in and defending the mods every time a poster makes some wild claim or the system would just break down.

HOWEVER

In this thread there is clear evidence that Morg is in the wrong. If nothing is done about that it simply projects the idea that the hype operates on a "do as I say, not as I do" basis. Mods are supposed to be examples for other posters on how to act. They are both peacekeepers and educators in what is and isn't acceptable. This is why Hunter is so well respected. Because he'll listen to people's arguments and be completely open about why people are banned/threads are closed. If people come in here and see the rules don't apply to mods then it doesn't exactly set the best example does it? :huh:

For example, I came to you recently when master chief was banned over something I viewed as completely frivolous. You took the time to look into it and upon checking the situation out you realised that it was overkill and downgraded his ban to probation. Now if you'd come back to me and said he was out of line and given a reason I would have accepted it without question because you'd actually been fair and looked into it.

That will NEVER be the case with morg

He's out to prove he's the big-shot and that has NO place in moderating. You're supposed to leave your ego at the door and apply the rules without vendettas clouding the issue. Now I'm not saying we have to revert to some kind of letter of the law scenario. There will always be some degree of interpretation involved in these situations. But that is exactly why more open moderation would be a good thing. It would allow posters not only to see what they've done wrong, but how specific applications of a rule can be interpreted. It opens up discussion and increases poster's trust of the moderators while also setting an example for others so they don't make the same mistakes.

All we're asking for is accountability. Not a public lynching

At least say you'll think about it :up:
 
I confess you are right about Mods being a model member of the community.
The problem comes down to this, we are all human. I for one am not the best and most eloquent writer and I have numerous times been embroiled in a war of words with a few users, and no matter my message, I will loose, as I simply am not great writer.

Now that being said, us bringing issues like this in the forefront and publically chastising a mod is not something we do. We will always take some public criticism, but not a lynching which numerous users are always looking at. In those instances, we simply close the thread and say, go away, as we simply cant win. They thrive on the negative comments of a thread.

That all being said, I may not post much in these "you messed up <random mod here>" but I do read them and usually follow up them on the back end.
 
I confess you are right about Mods being a model member of the community.
The problem comes down to this, we are all human. I for one am not the best and most eloquent writer and I have numerous times been embroiled in a war of words with a few users, and no matter my message, I will loose, as I simply am not great writer.

Now that being said, us bringing issues like this in the forefront and publically chastising a mod is not something we do. We will always take some public criticism, but not a lynching which numerous users are always looking at. In those instances, we simply close the thread and say, go away, as we simply cant win. They thrive on the negative comments of a thread.

That all being said, I may not post much in these "you messed up <random mod here>" but I do read them and usually follow up them on the back end.

I completely understand your perspective on this. You don't want to be ragging on mods in public and humiliating them, because ultimately they have to have an air of authority to them and ragging on them in public will ultimately serve to put them in a situation where they're no longer taken seriously.

However your last statement is highly reassuring and this is what I meant by more open moderating. We as posters have to understand that there are processes that go on behind the scenes. It's natural that this should be the case in any chain of command simply because order has to be maintained. But until we know about it how do we know it's not simply being ignored.

Finally it's not like we're asking you to take Morg to task for this one incident. Yes we all get a bit peeved at times when a mod, in the poster's perception at that time, acts unfairly. However, can you name a single mod who has had the sheer number or consistency of complaints as morg?

The guy has been out of line for a LONG time and there comes a point where you have to start listening to people in this regard. One or two troublemakers complaining about a mod to cover their own asses is understandable, but I'm willing to be if you took a straw poll of this site at least 60% of people would say Morg should not be a mod. The same cannot be said about any of the others.

Thanks for being so upfront about this, it's refreshing and I must admit I'm enjoying the chance to get all this out in the open. :up:
 
Finally it's not like we're asking you to take Morg to task for this one incident. Yes we all get a bit peeved at times when a mod, in the poster's perception at that time, acts unfairly. However, can you name a single mod who has had the sheer number or consistency of complaints as morg?

I would imagine....
Someone name Malice
 
I completely understand your perspective on this. You don't want to be ragging on mods in public and humiliating them, because ultimately they have to have an air of authority to them and ragging on them in public will ultimately serve to put them in a situation where they're no longer taken seriously.

However your last statement is highly reassuring and this is what I meant by more open moderating. We as posters have to understand that there are processes that go on behind the scenes. It's natural that this should be the case in any chain of command simply because order has to be maintained. But until we know about it how do we know it's not simply being ignored.

Finally it's not like we're asking you to take Morg to task for this one incident. Yes we all get a bit peeved at times when a mod, in the poster's perception at that time, acts unfairly. However, can you name a single mod who has had the sheer number or consistency of complaints as morg?

The guy has been out of line for a LONG time and there comes a point where you have to start listening to people in this regard. One or two troublemakers complaining about a mod to cover their own asses is understandable, but I'm willing to be if you took a straw poll of this site at least 60% of people would say Morg should not be a mod. The same cannot be said about any of the others.

Thanks for being so upfront about this, it's refreshing and I must admit I'm enjoying the chance to get all this out in the open. :up:

I appreciate your candor, we freqeuntly just get people complaining/screaming/blasting. Its hard to deal with in those instances.

I will look more closely to the issue.
 
lol

True, but as the "general" of the hype mods there is an element of "the buck stops with you"

You have to make the hardest calls of anyone here because you are ultimately the "supreme authority" on the board.

But on the other hand here we are debating hype protocol and practices in a completely open way. That's why I engaged you in this conversation in the first place. Because I knew you would be willing to at least listen to the poster's side.

If morg did the same, I'm sure complaints about him would go down in volume as well...;)
 
lol

True, but as the "general" of the hype mods there is an element of "the buck stops with you"

You have to make the hardest calls of anyone here because you are ultimately the "supreme authority" on the board.

But on the other hand here we are debating hype protocol and practices in a completely open way. That's why I engaged you in this conversation in the first place. Because I knew you would be willing to at least listen to the poster's side.

If morg did the same, I'm sure complaints about him would go down in volume as well...;)

Technically Hype is the ultimate authority..not me... :)

I am always willing to listen when the conversation is in a calm non-accusing way, or should I say simply a non-violent way...I think you understand...

In the end, I am willing to say I will do what I can looking into it, but I am not a fan or airing "dirty laundry" on the public boards...
 
I have to say, I, am gaining a whole new respect for Malice and Hunter Rider having read this thread...... I have never on any site seen mods listen to criticism about one of their own before. :up:

As an observer who really knows nothing of this situation. Malices words have impressed me.
 
I have to say, I, am gaining a whole new respect for Malice and Hunter Rider having read this thread...... I have never on any site seen mods listen to criticism about one of their own before. :up:

As an observer who really knows nothing of this situation. Malices words have impressed me.

I appreciate it.
Just remember, as much as people who are NOT mods complain about the mods, being a mod (or admin) can at times be a very tough job...imagine this situation itself...

We have bad days to, I remember about a year ago, I had a REALLY bad day at work...(the crap hit the fan and I got nailed to the cross when it was not my fault) and I came home to see a storm brewing on Hype...well needless to say, I dished out my brand of justice way to fast....long before I should have... We all make mistakes, just give them a little lee-way...and if that doesnt solve it, then goto the admin.
 
I appreciate it.
Just remember, as much as people who are NOT mods complain about the mods, being a mod (or admin) can at times be a very tough job...imagine this situation itself...

We have bad days to, I remember about a year ago, I had a REALLY bad day at work...(the crap hit the fan and I got nailed to the cross when it was not my fault) and I came home to see a storm brewing on Hype...well needless to say, I dished out my brand of justice way to fast....long before I should have... We all make mistakes, just give them a little lee-way...and if that doesnt solve it, then goto the admin.

I've never really had a problem with the mods here Malice. I take your points and agree with them. Aspects of the real world do sometimes come out in the virtual, although, it's something to be avoided. You seem to put yourself across pretty well to me ,but, then I am a dyslexic. ;)
 
I've never really had a problem with the mods here Malice. I take your points and agree with them. Aspects of the real world do sometimes come out in the virtual, although, it's something to be avoided. You seem to put yourself across pretty well to me ,but, then I am a dyslexic. ;)

Thanks
:oldrazz:
 
One question I have throughout all of this;
This took place on the DC Boards. Now, we're all a tight little group there. Dather, Leaguer, GAH, BrianWilly, Hush, Hippy, Corp, myself, etc. ect. We all enjoy the goings-on of Darth and Leaguer and I can't imagine a complaint arising by their thread.
Now the DC Boards Mod is Elijya and he hasn't really had any word in this. Who would have final say in this matter? Elijya, the DC Mod, or Morg, a global moderator. I am confused as to who has the authority here.
 
The way i look at it is that i try to hold myself accountable, if i make a call and there are questions i will answer them. I also think part of holding myself accountable is being able to simply say i was wrong and Ive done this on more than one occasion when i first started, as have other mods, Matt reversed the Fran situation after i spoke with him and Kel decided she was to harsh on Master Chief and reversed her call, to me that's not weak it's merely human to err and best to make it right for the good of further board relations.

As Malice said when a situation arises over a mods actions on this level it is discussed but not in public hanging fashion, However the overall ruling on a major situation will be made by Mirko, like the Holly/DM situation, we discussed it at length but in the end Mirko made the call.
 
So Matt did ban me? :huh: (just curious)

No, he gave you the infraction and you are on the last chance list so someone banned you, I talked with Matt and he agreed that the infraction wasn't warranted and I reversed it.
 
If you don't explain what behavior it was that caused a thread to get deleted, then you are doomed to forever have that behavior repeated again and again.

jag

^^^^^

Worth repeating. If a mod is not taking the time to explain to people why something is being deleted and what behavior was crossing the line, they will forever be engaged in this exact same sort of controversy with disgruntled posters. If you can't be bothered to educate your users and simply view them as a nuisance, then you're just perpetuating a continually adversarial relationship with them. They get angry at you for just deleting their posts and threads and not explaining anything to them, you get angry at them for trying to usurp your authority and not obeying the rules (which you haven't explained to them and seem to enforce randomly because of that) and just generally being jerks to you. It becomes a vicious circle and it will NEVER end as long as that approach is taken.

jag
 
The way i look at it is that i try to hold myself accountable, if i make a call and there are questions i will answer them. I also think part of holding myself accountable is being able to simply say i was wrong and Ive done this on more than one occasion when i first started, as have other mods, Matt reversed the Fran situation after i spoke with him and Kel decided she was to harsh on Master Chief and reversed her call, to me that's not weak it's merely human to err and best to make it right for the good of further board relations.

As Malice said when a situation arises over a mods actions on this level it is discussed but not in public hanging fashion, However the overall ruling on a major situation will be made by Mirko, like the Holly/DM situation, we discussed it at length but in the end Mirko made the call.

To bad Mirko overrulled my decision to ban Hunter...I tried...but my decision was not enough.
:)
 
After bearing witness to the whirlwind of crazy that was the Games forum's recent overhaul, I have to say, I'm pretty shocked to find mods actually holding themselves accountable and offering some insight into why they've closed threads/banned people/made other decisions. I know from talking to a lot of Hype posters on AIM or other venues that there's quite a bit of bad blood between normal posters and the way some mods conduct themselves, even if not all of us get up-in-arms and voice our concerns on it for fear that those selfsame mods would just turn around and ban us or throw infractions around without bothering to address anything.

So, thanks, Hunter Rider and Malice. More of this sort of transparency would only make the Hype better, I think.
 
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