The Defenders The Defenders General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Loki882]

Danny as the focus, yikes!

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Makes sense danny would be a big focus because he knows the hand most intimately

 

[smallville fan]

More reviews are in and they are mixed

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

Danny is also the youngest, less jaded, more of an idealist... I can't see either Luke or Jessica wanting to be the leader and again, Matt is not at that place yet, so Danny makes sense. Although, I expect that Luke will help balance things out because as much as Danny may feel compelled to take the lead, he probably isn't making the smartest, most rational choices.

 

[smallville fan]

Collider:

There’s just not enough of it to start, and it takes too long for them to team-up. If you thought Defenders would be a culminating chapter to the other Netflix Marvel series so far, think again. So far it feels like another prelude, and it makes one wonder if we’ll ever get to the main event.

Empire:

Alexandra feels like yet another businessperson baddie whose dirty deeds are hidden by sharp suits, while the ongoing, vague chicanery of The Hand (like HYDRA, but ninjas) fails to ignite much excitement. Indeed, the peerless Sigourney Weaver herself seems desperately bored by it all. Even so, there is enough joy in watching the sparks fly as these four alpha characters finally collide to make you feel The Defenders might just have been worth the wait. It’s a long-anticipated crossover series that delivers some engaging character clashes, but which fails — in the first half at least — to up the ante story-wise.

NewsRains:

While the show starts as something of a slow burn, once the heroes come together, it more than lives up to the promise fans have been clamoring to see realized. It may not be the strongest Marvel Netflix series thus far (that would be a toss-up between Daredevil and Jessica Jones), but The Defenders splits the differences between its leads, creating something that even casual fans of these shows shouldn’t miss.

We Got This Covered:

Although only half of the show’s eight episodes were available for review, the indistinct plot of The Defenders thus far seems like little more than a serviceable excuse to tie all four Marvel Netflix series together, as if the writers opted to revisit previously established plotlines rather than devise a bold new threat. Perhaps this aspect of the show evolves in its latter half into something more memorable, but as it stands, the characters and not the story of The Defenders are what truly make it worth watching.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I wonder if any of this is gonna be blamed on Iron Fist?

Netflix was pretty much batting 3 for 3 with DD, JJ and LC and then Iron Fist became the odd man out.

 

[smallville fan]

Maybe the 2nd half is better? It seems like the story is slow and Sigourney Weaver has a pretty weak performance but as soon as the 4 meet that's where the fun begins?

That's what I'm gathering?

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

The Defenders” is the type of superhero streaming that we’ve come to expect from Netflix’s live-action Marvel productions. Well worth the wait, the new show is every bit the event that Marvel fans hoped it could be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2017/07/24/the-defenders-is-the-marvel-team-up-you-hoped-for-iron-fist-and-all/?utm_term=.1070c76930a7

However, the good of The Defenders far outweighs the bad. The story isn’t revolutionary, and as usual, the villains have a typically over-the-top and hilariously convoluted plan—but it’s all a canvas to showcase Matt, Jessica, Luke, and Danny coming together as a team. They’re not just stronger together than they are apart—it turns out they’re more entertaining, too.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-excellent-defenders-is-greater-than-the-sum-of-its-1797180699

Ultimately, The Defenders had to successfully accomplish one huge thing: justify 65 episodes of build-up. Despite a slow start, the show comes through on its promise and gives the heroes a threat worthy of their newly united attention. Defenders also doesn’t sacrifice the vital voices of Jessica Jones and Luke Cage when it throws them in a very Daredevil-y plot, and Defenders even makes Iron Fist work. These characters work so well together, it’s now hard to imagine them apart.

http://decider.com/2017/07/24/netflix-marvels-the-defenders-review/

There are other villains introduced, characters who make surprising returns. And when I say Defenders isn't like Avengers, don't worry: there's an inciting incident at the end of the first episode that creates gigantic stakes for the heroes. This series is still pretty huge. But like we mentioned earlier, it comes down to them as individuals. It's about how their separate journeys bring them together. The episodes build, and build, getting faster, funnier and better as they go. If that continues in the back half, Defenders is going to be one hell of a ride.

http://www.tvguide.com/news/marvel-the-defenders-review-netflix/

 

[Dasher10]

Nearly all the criticism is based around the team not assembling until Episode 3.

 

[Herolee10]

Nearly all the criticism is based around the team not assembling until Episode 3.

Well that sucks. That means that folks will have to wait until they're almost halfway done with the series before the titular group all meet each other, leaving only 5 episodes for them to be together.

 

[Dasher10]

Well that sucks. That means that folks will have to wait until they're almost halfway done with the series before the titular group all meet each other, leaving only 5 episodes for them to be together.

That's still five hours plus the part of episode three where they meet. And Luke meets Danny in episode 2.

 

[Random490]

Nearly all the criticism is based around the team not assembling until Episode 3.

That's pretty much what I expected. I imagined the first episode establishes where all the characters are and the villains kicking their plan into gear, the second episode has them going towards the plot through their own means, building up their full meeting in the third episode.

Seems very reasonable considering all of the recapping you may have to do for people who decided to skip one of the other series and also putting all the pieces into place. Still leave 5 episodes of them kicking ass together.

 

[pixen]

I think it's fair for them to be getting together as a team in episode 3. It's not like the Avengers started out all together. I don't get why the Defenders are getting more scrutiny. Especially that they'll have Moreno hours together than the Avengers had together in their first movie.

 

[TheVileOne]

Some of you are very misinformed.

 

[pixen]

I'm just quoting some of the reviews. Not saying that's true or not. But my statement still stands, people want to rush to things without context.

 

[TheVileOne]

I wasn't referring to you pixen.

 

[pixen]

Oops. Ok. Just didn't want to step on any toes. All of these reviews aren't just making the wait unbearable.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

Some of you are very misinformed.

Well, thank goodness we have you here to clarify...or not.

 

[zenith16]

I'm coool with slow burn as long as they figure thing out and team up in the end and the script fine and their not acting denser then they ever should or on just here to tick other on the team off and nearly get them or someone or many people they are supposed to be protecting killed cause that character like being in every one face for the worst reason's and at the worst times and doesn't have a solution to the pproblem at all. (that's the only time it's bug me.) and as other's have said the avengers took a bit to team up after meting each other for the first time.

I guess maybe some of the reviewers wanted something slightly different then to it being similar to that(avenger's I movie ) start wise. while I'm sure the other half aren't thinking that cause they may not have bothered thinking about the avengers at all in how they started in their movies. it just that there certain people that are overly impatient these days and it's happen alot with certain people which is strange. the one's that maybe just want some different in how they meet may have point. but this isn't uncommon that certain characters or people would react in a similar to how the avengers met depending on the situation.

 

[TheVileOne]

The Avengers didn't actually become the Avengers and team up until the last half hour of the movie.

 

[zenith16]

The Avengers didn't actually become the Avengers and team up until the last half hour of the movie.

yes that also why I said why said for some other it's too similar. but that' swhy I said it's not completely uncommon. but it's also understandable to a degree

 

[pixen]

yes that also why I said why said for some other it's too similar. but that' swhy I said it's not completely uncommon. but it's also understandable to a degree

I feel like there are words in there that aren't supposed to be there. The Avengers took forever to get together and really form up. It was the final battle when that huge shot happened (Gif below). I don't have the film handy but I assume that they had less than 40 minutes left of the movie. So taking 3 episodes to join up only makes sense. Yes, it is 3 hours but they have 5 hours left together.

 

[pixen]

I will add, I hope this miniseries has a big final fight. If [BLACKOUT]the Beast or something like it is the villain[/BLACKOUT] I feel like there should be some sort of huge finale that's more than just a bunch of Hand ninjas. I have no idea if that will happen but I'm hoping for something bigger than what we've experienced in DD and Iron Fist.

 

[zenith16]

I feel like there are words in there that aren't supposed to be there. The Avengers took forever to get together and really form up. It was the final battle when that huge shot happened (Gif below). I don't have the film handy but I assume that they had less than 40 minutes left of the movie. So taking 3 episodes to join up only makes sense. Yes, it is 3 hours but they have 5 hours left together.

I'm aware of what happen the problem is your not fallowing me. but I need you to fallow me, here. the avenger's didn't get together til the end and this is the very same thing some of those reviewer's are saying is similar . from the start when they all meet. they are all saying (the characters ) they don't want to work with each other . the point from the avengers when fury tried to put them together is they didn't want to do that ether. and the actor that plays Coulson said that the avengers are all deva's in the behind the scene.

Cap meet's tony , tony get snarky wise cracky & cap has issue with tony . thor meet's them& there 's brawl , hulk meet them as bruce on the carrier they say don't want work with each other still or under shield the only one miledly for the idea is may be widow.


here Matt bail's jessica outta jail and she's snarky all throughout, as they say interview. danny and luke meet after crazy thing's happen with them and their meeting is a brawl at some point the two others meet up with Danny after luke has met him at least two of them know each other luke and jessica. but all them of don't want to work together after they've gotten out of trouble together. with the scenes they shown. even matt saying . danny some willing to work after stick come in.

via the interviews like where clark greg said the avenger's are deva's . these guys are in a similar in doing the samething the point of the first avenger movie as they made clear in the behind the scenes' is this a team that in most cases wouldn't work well together in reality and shouldn't but still do so . cause that what the writers wanted it,

but they are a bickering mess. and man did they push that inthe behind the scenes of thefirst avengers movie .


which in reality wouldn't cause most them 's their ego's would interfere and cause more trouble for who they are saving and yest in realoity that result is death or the personthey aretrying save being injured. here this team has trust issue . the avenger's do have trust issue's too. but it was about ego there too and they pushed they all have ego problems and here by the time this is all over these characters in the defender's won't be fully a team til the near end. they are fighting around each other, yes and they are forced together. but they aren't a team . the avenger weren't a team til the near the end.

it's looking some what similar here, for the defenders as well. what's simlar here that theme til they actually do what stick tell's them to . but for the most part they are bickering mess too.

And this is what I'm picking up from what those reviewers are describing. fro mthe quotes put up. is overly terrible? no not really. but I get that they want the writers to change it up. They don't have to get along at the beginning in harmony genius way . but it can't always be that similar experience wise . As I said it's not that uncommon.

i'm saying there alot people that have event's similar to others. but I get what they are saying start wise.

 

[TheVileOne]

yes that also why I said why said for some other it's too similar. but that' swhy I said it's not completely uncommon. but it's also understandable to a degree

Maybe people should watch the show first and see how it's done.