Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 1

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Worrying about the yellow peril archetype in a martial arts film or series shouldn't really be a thing. Iron fist lives in a world where the majority of his peers and rivals are Eastern martial artists. I feel we should be able to expect people to understand that without getting upset.
 
Master Khan isn't really a martial artist though. He's an occult sorcerer or mage that demands human sacrifices and stuff to help give him more power.
 
I know he's not the original Stilt-Man, but he was Stilt-Man in the comics previously.

I would still say the character is not inherently a racist stereotype. He's a small-time gangster who also happens to be black.

Master Khan first appeared in a Strange Tales #77 issue by Lee and Ditko in a story called "The Strange Magic of Master Khan."

He definitely fits the Yellow Peril archetype in his first appearance. Sorry but thems the facts. Here's an image

And here's an image from the Jessica Jones tie-in comic depicting Turk with baby momma issues. How is that not stereotypical?

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And even if we go by what you're saying, "He's a small-time gangster who also happens to be black", what's stopping Marvel from writing and depicting Master Khan as an evil sorcerer from K'un-L'un who happens to be Asian?

OK, well I'm not really talking about Turk. I'm talking about how Master Khan won't be in Iron Fist, since his character is rooted as being a yellow peril Asian villain. So he won't be in the show as a villain.

Turk is still relevant to the conversation. If Marvel can bring a character who fits the stereotypes of black males being criminals, why can't they bring a sorcerer like Master Khan?

And you avoided the fact that Luke Cage was stereotypical in creation. Blaxploitation character who fit the angry black stereotype and jive-talked? What did Marvel do? They simply wrote him better while still keeping his origins true, and now he's a well-rounded, three-dimensional character. And the Netflix series is still having him being an escaped convict.

These tropes are everywhere. It's about how you write and present the characters that keep them from being racist.

It seems like the Meachums will be the central antagonists for the season. I think if Master Khan was in this, we would've heard about it by now.


That's like saying because we haven't heard anything about Davos or the Immortal Weapons, that means we won't get them in the future.
 
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And here's an image from the Jessica Jones tie-in comic depicting Turk with baby momma issues. How is that not stereotypical?

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Just because he has baby momma issues doesn't make him a racist stereotype IMHO. Not substantial.

And even if we go by what you're saying, "He's a small-time gangster who also happens to be black", what's stopping Marvel from writing and depicting Master Khan as an evil sorcerer from K'un-L'un who happens to be Asian?

Having Turk as a gangster and gun runner is actually believable and realistic. This was a character who was basically a yellow peril villain when he debuted in 1960 in Strange Tales. It's not quite the same thing.

Turk is still relevant to the conversation. If Marvel can bring a character who fits the stereotypes of black males being criminals, why can't they bring a sorcerer like Master Khan?

Just because you depict a black man as a criminal or gangster doesn't necessarily mean it's a racist stereotype. The reason they can't have Master Khan as this Asian sorcerer is because there is a negative connotation to such characters. Yellow Peril characters were these mysterious Asians who sort of perpetuated xenophobic attitudes.

And you avoided the fact that Luke Cage was stereotypical in creation. Blaxploitation character who fit the angry black stereotype and jive-talked? What did Marvel do? They simply wrote him better while still keeping his origins true, and now he's a well-rounded, three-dimensional character. And the Netflix series is still having him being an escaped convict.

These tropes are everywhere. It's about how you write and present the characters that keep them from being racist.

So if you want to come up with a way to revamp Master Khan without making him an overtly yellow peril character be my guest. My guess is they are avoiding that character altogether.
 
I have too agree with TheVileOne and as a black man I don't see Turk as a stereotype. But I also think that if your a good writer that you can make Master Khan work.
 
Hey listen, if they can figure out a way to incorporate Master Khan somehow, I will eat that plate of crow.

But I mean look at what happened with Ancient One in Doctor Strange. That's a character who arguably is a racist stereotype in the first place. But people got upset when they opted to cast a woman in the role instead of an Asian male. And people still got upset. Sometimes I think it's unavoidable. Sort of like with Danny Rand and Finn Jones.
 
I think there's a lot of potential for humor in Rand coming back and being this really odd Zen type.
 
Surprised that there wasn't a press release this last week.
 
The Netflix shows don't do press releases like the films do
 
So how often is Danny going to be able to access the Iron Fist power? It wasn't always all-day with no physical repercussions. It used to be once a day and only when he spent some time concentrating.
 
Netflix does press releases. But most of the press releases for the Marvel shows are really done through way of announcements on Marvel.com.
 
Just because he has baby momma issues doesn't make him a racist stereotype IMHO. Not substantial.

It absolutely is a stereotype, so it is substantial.

Just because you depict a black man as a criminal or gangster doesn't necessarily mean it's a racist stereotype.

By that same logic, presenting an Asian as an evil wizard doesn't necessarily mean it's a racist stereotype.

The reason they can't have Master Khan as this Asian sorcerer is because there is a negative connotation to such characters. Yellow Peril characters were these mysterious Asians who sort of perpetuated xenophobic attitudes.

And depictions of black criminals perpetuate ideas and attitudes of black men being criminals and thugs. There's a negative connotation there too. Didn't stop them from bringing Turk Barret or Cornell Cottonmouth or Shades to Netflix.

And let's go along with your line of reasoning. Turk Barret in the Daredevil show (as opposed to that tie-in comic) as a criminal or gangster doesn't necessarily mean he's a racist stereotype. You know why no one had outrage over that? Because in the show, Turk wasn't written in a stereotypical manner. So what's stopping Master Khan from getting that same treatment? What's stopping Master Khan from being an evil sorcerer who happens to be Asian ala Turk who is a criminal who happens to be black?

Having Turk as a gangster and gun runner is actually believable and realistic. This was a character who was basically a yellow peril villain when he debuted in 1960 in Strange Tales. It's not quite the same thing.

What's unbelievable about having an sorcerer from K'un-L'un (a city primarily comprised of Asians) be Asian?

And yes, it's exactly the same thing. But you pick and choose what suits your narrative as opposed to seeing that you're being hypocritical. You'll say things like showcasing a black male who is a criminal and has multiple baby mommas isn't racist, yet go onto say the Ancient One is a racist stereotype.

And if not Turk, why not Luke Cage, who I constantly keep bringing up and parallels Master Khan?

Like Master Khan who you say is a yellow peril villain of the 60s, Luke Cage is pretty much comprised of blaxploitation stereotypes from the 70s. He was a jive-talking, angry black man. However, as I've stated many times before, they simply wrote him better while still keeping his origins true, and now he's a well-rounded, three-dimensional character. They are still going to have him be framed for a crime he didn't commit. They are still going to have him be an escaped convict who got experimented on in prison. He will be an urban black male who listens to hip hop and rap music as they've mentioned before in interviews. However, he will be a fully developed character with many dimensions.

Again, these tropes are everywhere. It's about how you write and present the characters that keep them from being racist.
 
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I recall a press release concerning the Luke Cage cast.

There was one that announced a few cast members at once, but never one to announce production had started, iirc.
 
Cool. I think we all knew she was going too be in this but it's good to have confirmation.
 
Cool. I think we all knew she was going too be in this but it's good to have confirmation.

Yeah I'm glad the show is finally moving. It eased my own doubts, but more than anything I'm glad all the fake reports were proven to be false.
 
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