Iron Fist Iron Fist General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[The Infernal]

Wasn't Yellow Claw brought back as Golden Claw? Also what has Marvel been doing with the Mandarin in recent years?

 

[chamber-music]

Mandarin is currently dead in the comics. Mandarin last appeared in 2012 Invincible Iron Man stories The Long Way Down/The Future. Mandarin has been a typical rich evil businessman Iron Man villain since his revival.

 

[Endeavor]

Wasn't Yellow Claw brought back as Golden Claw? Also what has Marvel been doing with the Mandarin in recent years?

Yes he was. In the first Agens of Atlas run, which was excellent. They also mention Fu Manchu and Mandarin in the run, but they don't appear.
They did a pretty good job of updating him and getting rid of some of the racist stereotypes.

 

[The Infernal]

Mandarin is currently dead in the comics. Mandarin last appeared in 2012 Invincible Iron Man stories The Long Way Down/The Future. Mandarin has been a typical rich evil businessman Iron Man villain since his revival.

Shame. Would be nice to see him kicking about again.

Yes he was. In the first Agens of Atlas run, which was excellent. They also mention Fu Manchu and Mandarin in the run, but they don't appear.
They did a pretty good job of updating him and getting rid of some of the racist stereotypes.

I kinda think it would be interesting to see this guy kept around as a lower tier villain as comic relief. Would be funny to see Deadpool parody his racist origins in his comic.

 

[Tg11]

Then I wonder if SHIELD/HYDRA if they would view Danny Rand/Iron Fist as a threat? He would have to be because with Iron Fist he is not just your average superhero he is a mystical hero just like Doctor Strange. However Danny he practices not only in martial arts but also taps into the mystical force that allows him to become Iron Fist and with Iron Fist as a whole I think that this series if it ever gets off the ground on Netflix it could possibly become Netflix's best series even rivalling Daredevil.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So with shooting already begun, I would think that a Press release will be issued this week.

 

[metaphysician]

It would make sense for a Dr. Strange cameo

Why? Dr Strange and Iron Fist have nearly nothing to do with each other.

 

[TheVileOne]

The same way you update Black Mariah without offending Black civil right groups. Make the characters three-dimensional and tone down the racist elements from the comic version. There's nothing wrong with having an evil Asian sorcerer, unless you're somehow implying that Asians can't be villains. Plus, Master Khan has always been more of a character who happened to be Asian as opposed to the Mandarin, Fu Manchu, or Yellow Claw who were defined by their race.

It's all about execution and balance. If Marvel writes Master Khan well, as well as casting Asians in other non-stereotypical roles, then it works out.

Nope. But look, Shane Black called Mandarin a racist stereotype and basically made a fake version of the Mandarin for Iron Man 3. Case in point, Alfre Woodard's character is probably going to be some sort of corrupt politician in a suit. So you can't have Master Khan as that type of character in Iron Fist. essentially, he wouldn't be Master Khan anyway. I maintain he won't be in the show.

 

[BarryAllen]

Nope. But look, Shane Black called Mandarin a racist stereotype and basically made a fake version of the Mandarin for Iron Man 3. Case in point, Alfre Woodard's character is probably going to be some sort of corrupt politician in a suit. So you can't have Master Khan as that type of character in Iron Fist. essentially, he wouldn't be Master Khan anyway. I maintain he won't be in the show.

Yeah, but we also got Turk Barret. He falls under racist stereotypes of black males. If we get Davos the Steel Serpent, he'll be yet another Asian martial artist. These things are everywhere. It's all about execution. You can downplay the supposed Fu Manchu elements while still having him be an evil sorcerer.

And there's a big difference between Master Khan and the other Yellow Peril characters. Mandarin and Yellow Claw were racist because they were created to capitilize on Cold War fears and the US's hatred of China's communist ideals. Those guys are def outdated:

Master Khan is completely different. He is a evil sorcerer from K'un-L'un, who's race does not play a role into his character. He is an evil sorcerer who HAPPENS to be Asian, in the same way War Machine's race doesn't play a role in who he is unlike someone like Black Panther and Luke Cage.

And Luke Cage is pretty much the poster child for this. He started off as a jive-talking blaxploitation stereotype, and Marvel didn't get rid of the character, they just wrote him better and look where he is now.

 

[MichaelChen]

This guy isn't outdated.

 

[Endeavor]

This guy isn't outdated.

I hope we see him in the MCU some day.

 

[chamber-music]

People complained alot about comic mandarin being racist but he hasn't been portrayed as a yellow peril stereotype in decades.

 

[Endeavor]

People complained alot about comic mandarin being racist but he hasn't been portrayed as a yellow peril stereotype in decades.

Truth.

Many probably just took Shane Black's outdated and uninformed views on the character and ran with that, instead of doing their own research.

 

[MichaelChen]

Heck, not even all of the Silver Age stuff is that bad.

No buckteeth. No chingrish, in fact I can't recall him ever being written as speaking in chingrish. People who are inclined to hate him cherry-pic the worst of the Silver Age imagery. Imagery from a time when all villains were drawn goofily, and sometimes even the heroes.

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, but we also got Turk Barret. He falls under racist stereotypes of black males. If we get Davos the Steel Serpent, he'll be yet another Asian martial artist. These things are everywhere. It's all about execution. You can downplay the supposed Fu Manchu elements while still having him be an evil sorcerer.

And there's a big difference between Master Khan and the other Yellow Peril characters. Mandarin and Yellow Claw were racist because they were created to capitilize on Cold War fears and the US's hatred of China's communist ideals. Those guys are def outdated:

Master Khan is completely different. He is a evil sorcerer from K'un-L'un, who's race does not play a role into his character. He is an evil sorcerer who HAPPENS to be Asian, in the same way War Machine's race doesn't play a role in who he is unlike someone like Black Panther and Luke Cage.

And Luke Cage is pretty much the poster child for this. He started off as a jive-talking blaxploitation stereotype, and Marvel didn't get rid of the character, they just wrote him better and look where he is now.

Master Khan originated in that era of those Yellow Peril characters. He debuted in 1960 and was created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. We are never seeing this character.

I would say Turk doesn't fall under racist stereotypes. He's a small-time gangster. In the comics he later became Stilt-Man.

 

[chamber-music]

I guess iron fist will keep up his training at collen's dojo.

 

[Random490]

I like it when they pull from out of date or forgotten characters, I'm sure the writer's do too. Unlike having to adapt more popular/current characters they'll have freedom to try something new, take risk, and be creative with it.

I hope we see him in the MCU some day.

I think he and the Ten Ring can make a good villain for Agents of Shield

 

[Endeavor]

I like it when they pull from out of date or forgotten characters, I'm sure the writer's do too. Unlike having to adapt more popular/current characters they'll have freedom to try something new, take risk, and be creative with it.

If you really like that sort of stuff go check out Agents of Atlas. It's a great read

I think he and the Ten Ring can make a good villain for Agents of Shield

I agree, it would be very cool to see them there.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I would say Turk doesn't fall under racist stereotypes. He's a small-time gangster. In the comics he later became Stilt-Man.

Turk didn't "later become Stilt-Man" he once became Stilt-Man when he stole the suit and he proceeded to be an idiot.

 

[TheVileOne]

I know he's not the original Stilt-Man, but he was Stilt-Man in the comics previously.

I would still say the character is not inherently a racist stereotype. He's a small-time gangster who also happens to be black.

Master Khan first appeared in a Strange Tales #77 issue by Lee and Ditko in a story called "The Strange Magic of Master Khan."

He definitely fits the Yellow Peril archetype in his first appearance. Sorry but thems the facts. Here's an image

 

[Mike Murdock]

He was Stilt-Man once, temporarily. It's like saying Pepper Potts eventually became Iron Man.

He stole the suit and was a bungling fool in it because he didn't understand it. He then got his ass kicked by Daredevil. That's certainly not helping the argument that Turk wasn't a stereotype for what it's worth (although I don't think he is, he's just a stock character).

 

[TheVileOne]

OK, well I'm not really talking about Turk. I'm talking about how Master Khan won't be in Iron Fist, since his character is rooted as being a yellow peril Asian villain. So he won't be in the show as a villain.

It seems like the Meachums will be the central antagonists for the season. I think if Master Khan was in this, we would've heard about it by now.

 

[Norek]

Today I got The Fury of Iron Fist from Marvel's Epic Collection volumes. It's quite big so I only managed to read a bit today, and since tomorrow I'm going to Civil War I probably won't be able to continue but I hope I get through it over the weekend. I'm really starting to dig Iron Fist as a character.

 

[TheVileOne]

Iron Fist has been an underrated character for a long time IMHO.

 

[ArcherFan]

Iron Fist has been an underrated character for a long time IMHO.

Indeed.

I'm actually re-reading most of his old stuff now, starting with Premier. Actually, a lot of it I hadn't read previously.

Danny really did not have the best sense of humor in MP and the first part of his run...just saying. :P