The Defenders The Defenders General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Iceman]

It wasn't going to be Episode 1 when they all teamed up. Being 3 means it's only one episode max later than most would have expected it. Of course we want as much time with them together as possible so it's a shame the whole thing isn't a bit longer.

 

[zenith16]

Maybe people should watch the show first and see how it's done.

oh they should . but i'm talking about those reviewers. the people that haven't seen it, should absolutely see it first if they have some similar thoughts then they should be allowed to say it though. but they need to see the whole thing though. and just be cause they say that at the beginning and its similar doesn't mean they have written it off ether. but the writer's should try a little more verity wise too. and no one's saying they should team up from the jump. no one

the bickering team thing can only be done so many times. but on every one of them ? ... for certain people two different teams having that personality is pushing it and what maybe is being said is they want the teams to each have their own identity origin wise in how they started. marvel already pushed the avenger's as the bickering team that shouldn't work " but does." they literally did with their behind the scenes of the first movie of avengers. but those reviewers are seeing this in this team at the start that's all that's being said next the interviews of the defenders.


It's not terrible. but two team's having that same group identity? to a viewer at the start. that what they are saying. set them apart as team from the avengers. they didn't finish the series them selves, this is their initial thoughts . Both the defenders and the avengers are bicker fest mess's in their groups at the start .

it's still always best to see for your self. their inital thought's aren't final from them, though. and I always have thought's of my own doesn't mean I don't see what another person is saying.

I have feeling I'll enjoy it. something others are always wrong with some initial thoughts. so I'll see the whole thing. thing's do need changed up once these things are noticed.

 

[pixen]

I'm aware of what happen the problem is your not fallowing me. but I need you to fallow me, here. the avenger's didn't get together til the end and this is the very same thing some of those reviewer's are saying is similar . from the start when they all meet. they are all saying (the characters ) they don't want to work with each other . the point from the avengers when fury tried to put them together is they didn't want to do that ether. and the actor that plays Coulson said that the avengers are all deva's in the behind the scene.

Cap meet's tony , tony get snarky wise cracky & cap has issue with tony . thor meet's them& there 's brawl , hulk meet them as bruce on the carrier they say don't want work with each other still or under shield the only one miledly for the idea is may be widow.


here Matt bail's jessica outta jail and she's snarky all throughout, as they say interview. danny and luke meet after crazy thing's happen with them and their meeting is a brawl at some point the two others meet up with Danny after luke has met him at least two of them know each other luke and jessica. but all them of don't want to work together after they've gotten out of trouble together. with the scenes they shown. even matt saying . danny some willing to work after stick come in.

via the interviews like where clark greg said the avenger's are deva's . these guys are in a similar in doing the samething the point of the first avenger movie as they made clear in the behind the scenes' is this a team that in most cases wouldn't work well together in reality and shouldn't but still do so . cause that what the writers wanted it,

but they are a bickering mess. and man did they push that inthe behind the scenes of thefirst avengers movie .


which in reality wouldn't cause most them 's their ego's would interfere and cause more trouble for who they are saving and yest in realoity that result is death or the personthey aretrying save being injured. here this team has trust issue . the avenger's do have trust issue's too. but it was about ego there too and they pushed they all have ego problems and here by the time this is all over these characters in the defender's won't be fully a team til the near end. they are fighting around each other, yes and they are forced together. but they aren't a team . the avenger weren't a team til the near the end.

it's looking some what similar here, for the defenders as well. what's simlar here that theme til they actually do what stick tell's them to . but for the most part they are bickering mess too.

And this is what I'm picking up from what those reviewers are describing. fro mthe quotes put up. is overly terrible? no not really. but I get that they want the writers to change it up. They don't have to get along at the beginning in harmony genius way . but it can't always be that similar experience wise . As I said it's not that uncommon.

i'm saying there alot people that have event's similar to others. but I get what they are saying start wise.

My gif wasn't because the subject you were talking about was bad/wrong, it was just that it didn't make ANY sense grammatically.

 

[KevTravels]

Makes sense danny would be a big focus because he knows the hand most intimately

Impressive that they'd give him a big role considering he's less known (for general audiences) than the rest. Also since his series was last. DD is much more popular and Luke Cage got super hyped last year.

 

[KevTravels]

Nearly all the criticism is based around the team not assembling until Episode 3.

Strange as it makes sense to keep them apart. Episode 1 is re-introducing plotlines. Season 2 is everybody doing research on their own. Episode 3 they meet. Episode 4 they obviously have problems with one another, but agree to work together. Episode 5-6 they get their butts kicked. Episode 7 they regroup. Episode 8, they kick butt.


I wanna see another Defenders within 2 years.

 

[KevTravels]

the trailer barely made reference to Luke and Jessica knowing one another. Hopefully they have a good discussion when they initially meet again.

And of course the awkwardness about him and Claire and i'm sure Matt will have an opinion on this.

 

[zenith16]

My gif wasn't because the subject you were talking about was bad/wrong, it was just that it didn't make ANY sense grammatically.

yeah well my damn web started messing up with an e-mail and the damn f' ing auto correct wouldn't work just cause I got an e-mail at the very time with my pc freezing as I was typing .All at that very time. it's getting annoying when that happen's F" 'ing can't stand it. it always at times like this . I'm on and bam a certain e-mail and the damn thing send's everything hair wire or another thing and I'm tired of having to re load after it's f'd up the post. or when about to i have wait and when get the page back what I'm typing is gone and one is on to something else about it.


so sorry unless you want to see me start raging over it and taking vacum pipe or to my pc which won't help later. it no joy for me when it happens and it's not great for my health any more ether to be getting mad all the time.


I said many time's I'm not perfect speller, (but I'm on here to break out that problem) but sadly there's alot of others thing's that seem to happen and I don't like explaining them among my many problems.

Cause I know some certain people don't care unless they are here in the room with me and they are seeing it. or know me and have it in front of them . There's not much i do when this crap happens.

And no I'm not mad at you. I'm mad this happened again.

All I can do is make up for it later. I clarified my self there in my post that you answered there . It's all i can do. So sorry about that with the grammar.

But sadly things happen with me. I'll do best to make up for it. it's All I can do. if the first post is screwed up.

 

[zenith16]

Impressive that they'd give him a big role considering he's less known (for general audiences) than the rest. Also since his series was last. DD is much more popular and Luke Cage got super hyped last year.

yeah the may be one of the many reason why next to his series not doing as good and it just getting what it needed latert o get a second season. truth be told danny rand in the books isn't known to be in conflict with the hand that often. the hand have come into contact with a lot of heroes in marvel. yes. but for some reason I don't ever think iron fist that often. maybe shang shi

but I see the hand com into conflict with spiderman cause he'd buddies with DD ,

they have come into contact with the x-Men alot cause pyslocke wolverine has had some issue with and the rest of the x-men have with out him there. etc there's list of heroes. but for some reason he's not registering to me as some that come into conflict with them that often. with books I have or know of him. well be side the marvel knights books.

this may be done to help give him a boost with in net flix. since marvel does push him as one of the top martial artists. but the hand have had other heroes as foe's they come into contact alot more often.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

seems like this will also have pacing issues just like the other mcu netflix stuff.

tis a damn shame.

if this is a letdown, only 50% of the netflix mcu stuff will be good for me and i'll start to lose enthusiasm for more.

 

[zenith16]

seems like this will also have pacing issues just like the other mcu netflix stuff.

tis a damn shame.

if this is a letdown, only 50% of the netflix mcu stuff will be good for me and i'll start to lose enthusiasm for more.

Well just wait for the entire season to come out and finish. You might never know it's possible things will change and it 's good. You have to give it a try and see how things go. .

 

[pixen]

seems like this will also have pacing issues just like the other mcu netflix stuff.

tis a damn shame.

if this is a letdown, only 50% of the netflix mcu stuff will be good for me and i'll start to lose enthusiasm for more.

Don't jump to conclusions. TheVileOne saw it and they enjoyed it a lot (the first 4 episodes). Maybe wait to overreact till August 18th.

 

[javonstokess]

I think folks she take a breath and remember that when you're reading reviews, they are ALWAYS colored by the reviewers experience/opinions/etc. In the same way that some folks disliked Luke Cage and others (like myself) loved it.

I get we're all excited for it, but I would suggest going in with as open a mind as you can.

Personally, Marvel has, more times than not, hit the bullseye so I don't expect anything less.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's not as badly paced as the first two episodes as Iron Fist. So there. The pacing for the first four generally worked.

 

[Loki882]

Makes sense danny would be a big focus because he knows the hand most intimately

He's also BY FAR the least interesting and most irritating of them, hence my concerns.

 

[pixen]

Is it ok to ask TheVileOne, is Danny better handled in this? Does he come across a little more likeable at least? And does Elektra speak or is it a Jean Grey/X-Men TLS sort of situation?

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Danny is handled better, especially through his relationship with Luke Cage.

 

[zenith16]

I think Danny is handled better, especially through his relationship with Luke Cage.

good then it mean they are getting abetter handle of things. and hopefully in season 2 of his own series that will be the same case. the fact that pushing that kun lou had run with the hand in this live action series as I said before up top mean they putting more effort into trying to make thing better for the character cause they notice his series was as strong. cause as I said in the comic's and iron fist lore the hand don't have him in their list of enemies in the book's at all . they list almost every known super team and certain well known heroes of marvel but him.

Yup even the new warrior's have had run in's with the hand. Not Iron fist or his city (I'm they aren't overly know). so this is only be done for net flix and it's to give him better exposer. so they are putting more effort with make him better series wise. as to the books that likely be a recent entry with the marvel boks. but anything prior with his city and him self had no dealing as enemies of the hand. it's good they doing this both luke and add this though.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Well from what I've read, they actually used Danny's naivety as a spring board for the dark characters to play off of. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it. So...Iron Fist HAD to suck for the Defenders to actually be good.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I think Danny is handled better, especially through his relationship with Luke Cage.

That pretty much carries the first few episodes doesn't it? I'm actually kind of surprised that they gave IF a season 2 instead of starting a Heroes for Hire series. I guess they feel there's more of Danny's solo story to be told, or perhaps they just want to make an IF that doesn't suck.

 

[zenith16]

Well from what I've read, they actually used Danny's naivety as a spring board for the dark characters to play off of. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it. So...Iron Fist HAD to suck for the Defenders to actually be good.

well I formerly said it was like when black widow was the only willing to do what fury said and have the avengers work together in ther first movie but she was cool.

Danny doing that cause it makes sense and this is maybe also after stick tell's all them to get it together. now him sucking that's another story which most to do withe writers.

but what ever I'm saying I'm happy the writers noticed the problem from characters personal live action show problems since it was heavy push with both fans and reviewers (and the fan's gave it another chance so there will be a season 2.) the writers and net Flix's are making the effort to make him better with those two things. Hopefully it improves him for the better when his second season starts .

 

[TheVileOne]

good then it mean they are getting abetter handle of things. and hopefully in season 2 of his own series that will be the same case. the fact that pushing that kun lou had run with the hand in this live action series as I said before up top mean they putting more effort into trying to make thing better for the character cause they notice his series was as strong. cause as I said in the comic's and iron fist lore the hand don't have him in their list of enemies in the book's at all . they list almost every known super team and certain well known heroes of marvel but him.

Yup even the new warrior's have had run in's with the hand. Not Iron fist or his city (I'm they aren't overly know). so this is only be done for net flix and it's to give him better exposer. so they are putting more effort with make him better series wise. as to the books that likely be a recent entry with the marvel boks. but anything prior with his city and him self had no dealing as enemies of the hand. it's good they doing this both luke and add this though.

No it doesn't mean that at all. This show doesn't have the same staff that Iron Fist does. Or the same showrunner.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

well I formerly said it was like when wideom was the only willing to do what fury said and have the avengers work to gether inther first movie but shewas cool.

danny doing that cause it makes sane and this is maybe also after stick tell them to get it together. now him sucking that's another story.

but what ever I'm saying I'm happy they writers noticed the problem from characters live action show problem since it was heavy push with both fans and reviewers are making the effort to make him better with those two things. Hopefully it improves him for the better when his second season starts .

Well it makes you wonder if that was all planned in advance since they knew the Defenders was the endgame here. They must have had his personality mapped out, but I guess they just missed the mark on execution.

 

[zenith16]

No it doesn't mean that at all. This show doesn't have the same staff that Iron Fist does. Or the same showrunner.

if were talking show runner no but workers. the actor said alot of the people behind the scenes on their own shows were there for this on video. so they are using some of the same people. just not the boss's creators of their own shows.

Well it makes you wonder if that was all planned in advance since they knew the Defenders was the endgame here. They must have had his personality mapped out, but I guess they just missed the mark on execution.

lol that's just messed up. and weird. interesting but weird. and I'm not how the lot of the audience would take that.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

No it doesn't mean that at all. This show doesn't have the same staff that Iron Fist does. Or the same showrunner.

Yeah, but I was just saying how I wondered if they had it all mapped out for the most part? They had to have been written at roughly the same time, and even though it's different writers/showrunner, don't you think they would have consulted with each other the same way the MCU directors do to ensure everything kinda fits together?

 

[TheVileOne]

Marco Ramirez talked about Jeph Loeb having a lot of things in these shows mapped out in his head. I'm not sure how meticulously he mapped specific things out regarding the changing personality dynamics.

My thought was Scott Buck didn't know the best idea on how to exploit the best parts of Danny Rand and the Iron Fist character.

I think making Danny young and naive makes sense. But his desire for vengeance should also be part of his immaturity and naivete. As in, he abandoned his post as Iron Fist specifically because he was being young, naive, and immature in his desire for answers and revenge.

In the comics, when Danny finally came face to face with the object of his rage, and he sees Meachum as this pathetic invalid, that was enough to make him let go of his hate. Meachum was waiting for Danny to find and kill him and put him out of his misery.

I think season 1 basically should've been Danny being young, naive and stupid. He's on a warpath for revenge, but he doesn't truly get it. He doesn't get that his desire for vengeance is what's keeping him from being the true Iron Fist, and being the Iron Fist means he has to let go of his anger and his hatred.