The Defenders The Defenders General Discussion Thread

[Mai]

The Defenders I don't think will even cameo in the next two Avengers movies. If there are news reports about an assault on Thanos' forces on the ground it'll come from a team made up of Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Falcon, War Machine, Winter Soldier, Sharon Carter, Ant Man, Wasp, Black Panther, Dr. Strange and probably Spider-Man.

Its a pity, other than Civil War the Infinity wars would of been the perfect opportunity for them to appear even as a cameo.

 

[ShaZam612]

Anyone else think Claire is going to be the reason they come together as a team?

 

[Random490]

Anyone else think Claire is going to be the reason they come together as a team?

I definitely see her as the Coulson of the Netflix series. I just hope she doesn't get the same fate, I need more of Rosario Dawson in my life.

 

[Syncos]

I agree with the above, mostly. I definitely think Iron Fist has enough material for multiple seasons of his own series.

Jessica and Luke are another story. Having just finished Jessica Jones and with, undoubtedly, her and Luke moving closer to their relationship in the comics I think it would make plenty of sense to roll them into one series.

I actually kind of like the idea of keeping separate series, but having both characters regulars on both. That way you can do 13 episodes of JJ from Jessica's perspective, and then 13 of Luke from his.

Just because they get together, doesn't mean they spend every day together.

 

[Silvermoth]

Was that list for the next round of Netflix series confirmed? I hope not. We don't need another punisher series but I would love to see a white tiger series with Gina Rodriguez in the lead.

If I had infinite resources I would choose white tiger, Shang chi, she hulk and ms marvel

 

[ernesth100]

I actually kind of like the idea of keeping separate series, but having both characters regulars on both. That way you can do 13 episodes of JJ from Jessica's perspective, and then 13 of Luke from his.

Just because they get together, doesn't mean they spend every day together.

Ooo, really good POV, I like that alot!

 

[Dasher10]

Was that list for the next round of Netflix series confirmed? I hope not. We don't need another punisher series but I would love to see a white tiger series with Gina Rodriguez in the lead.

If I had infinite resources I would choose white tiger, Shang chi, she hulk and ms marvel

I'd do something entirely different. The next round should be Elektra, Punisher, Moon Knight, Blade and Thunderbolts. She Hulk would be the only one from your list who I'd keep on Netflix. I'd roll them out in this order.

2018: Punisher, Elektra
2019: Moon Knight, Blade
2020: She-Hulk, Thunderbolts

Hopefully Marvel's 2020 films are a Hulk sequel so we can see Jen debut and Iron Man 4 so Ghost can appear. I'm also hoping for Atlas to appear on Luke Cage, Beetle/Mach to show up in Ant-Man and The Wasp, Bullseye to appear on Daredevil and Shocker and/or Scorpion to appear in the upcoming Spider-Man film. That leaves us with a roster of Zemo, Leader, Mach, Crossbones, Bullseye, Blizzard, Mister Hyde, Atlas, Shocker, Scorpion, Ghost and newcomers Songbird, Jolt and Joystick. The only key player missing here is Moonstone who I wouldn't introduce until Captain Marvel 2, then bring her onto the T-Bolts when that film hits. And I'd be rolling out the aforementioned characters over multiple seasons to grow the team slowly and not rush them.

I'd also pass on Luke Cage, Punisher, Hawkeye or Red Hulk until the T-bolts are already established and we have a Hulk sequel to turn General Ross into Rulk. I'd also look for Luke Cage to clear his name and Hawkeye to be kicked off of or quit the Avengers first.

I also feel like three series are enough for ABC as a network. I'd like to put three series on ABC Family (Ms. Marvel, Avengers Academy and Runaways) and one on Disney Channel (Power Pack). I'd also look to see if there's a way that Marvel could pressure Fox into spinning off New Mutants into a TV series if the film does well since the only character from that series who can't be done on a TV budget is Rockslide and put it on the Fox network, then if Legion does well, I'd set up X-Factor as a companion series on FX and if Jennifer Lawrence doesn't want to keep playing Mystique, I'd use Ruby Rose as her replacement since she'd be even better in the role as well as cheaper. Then look into Alpha Flight to sell FXX subscriptions and DVDs to people who don't get the channel. The X-Men and X-Force need the big budget treatment.

On principle there should be no more than three Marvel shows per network discounting Netflix since that isn't network TV. More importantly, they should all aim for different demographics as barely anyone would have time to watch them all. The audience for Jessica Jones needs to be the polar opposite of who Power Pack is targeted at and the ABC Family series should be aimed at those who are too young for the Netflix series but have also outgrown Power Pack.

I heard some rumors about Ghost Rider showing up on Netflix and I feel like that's a mistake. Ghost Rider needs to be the only R-rated Marvel film franchise since he needs a film budget to not only get his look right but also his enemies. Then there's the location problems since Ghost Rider seldom stays in one place and travels across North and South America. He wouldn't be sedentary enough for a TV series, particularly when you take reshoots into account.

 

[ernesth100]

If Deadpool is a success it may push Marvel to make an R-Rated film based on Blade or Ghost Rider. However I feel Blade would be more suited for a series. Vampires are very easy to do on television

 

[Dasher10]

If Deadpool is a success it may push Marvel to make an R-Rated film based on Blade or Ghost Rider. However I feel Blade would be more suited for a series. Vampires are very easy to do on television

Plus a TV series would be closer to the source material. Dracula is every bit as compelling a character as Blade and that isn't getting into all the other POV characters in the Tomb of Dracula comics.

 

[ernesth100]

Yeah, bring on the Blade series!

 

[McSir]

Netflix is the only chance Ghost Rider has at ever being on screen again. He's like Punisher. He's had his shot, all attempts failed pretty miserably. Either because he's not perceived as a very interesting character or because his films were some bull****, the general audience likely doesn't have much of an interest in seeing him again so soon, he doesn't fit in Marvel's film plans, and nobody's looking to put $100 million down on him.

He can be done on Netflix. Put somebody with a vision for the project at the helm and give them a good amount of preparation time to work within the confines of their budget and magic CAN happen. Marvel took away everything significant about the character of Ant-Man and still made a good Ant-Man film. If they want Ghost Rider to happen, he will...


...but Moon Knight first t:

 

[rogue trooper]

Netflix is the only chance Ghost Rider has at ever being on screen again. He's like Punisher. He's had his shot, all attempts failed pretty miserably. Either because he's not perceived as a very interesting character or because his films were some bull****, the general audience likely doesn't have much of an interest in seeing him again so soon, he doesn't fit in Marvel's film plans, and nobody's looking to put $100 million down on him.

He can be done on Netflix. Put somebody with a vision for the project at the helm and give them a good amount of preparation time to work within the confines of their budget and magic CAN happen. Marvel took away everything significant about the character of Ant-Man and still made a good Ant-Man film. If they want Ghost Rider to happen, he will...


...but Moon Knight first t:

Word.

Also, regarding a possible MK show, I was thinking about how the music of its opening credits would sound like. Somehow, something like this came to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgsHiFtnqI

 

[McSir]

Word.

Also, regarding a possible MK show, I was thinking about how the music of its opening credits would sound like. Somehow, something like this came to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydgsHiFtnqI

I like it.

I think the prospect of a Moon Knight show could be fascinating. Moon Knight is one of the few heroes who's openly mentally ill, which is a theme I think the show could explore the way Jessica Jones talked about rape and trauma and Daredevil explored religion.

 

[rogue trooper]

I like it.

I think the prospect of a Moon Knight show could be fascinating. Moon Knight is one of the few heroes who's openly mentally ill, which is a theme I think the show could explore the way Jessica Jones talked about rape and trauma and Daredevil explored religion.

I figure religion will also be something vital in a Moon Knight series, albeit handled from a different perspective.

 

[metaphysician]

I can't see Ghost Rider being done on Netflix. Even they don't have enough budget to support the needed CGI.

 

[sabetoonth]

Yeah, bring on the Blade series!

Word!

 

[McSir]

I can't see Ghost Rider being done on Netflix. Even they don't have enough budget to support the needed CGI.

I maintain that it's all in the planning.

 

[Anderson Reiner]

A Netflix serie with Thunderbolts could be good, but in the next year already will happens the Suicide Squad in the DC cronology. I think that is the same essence. Villains that have an oportunity to be heroes for a day...
I know, the plot is different, but basically is very similar.

The Ghost Rider would be nice, but, how someone spoke behind, the CGI costs are very high.

And, Moon Knight is like the Batman, but his stories are not so nice like the DC character.

In the Defenders, they could include some mutant, unpopular who knows. Suddenly Namor or Cloud. Other interest character is the Moondragon, she would be a good aquisition to this team. She is arrogant but has a good heart.

 

[Herolee10]

Just one more piece that needs to be added to the puzzle.

I seriously hope that this show is at least 8 episodes long and not just 4 episodes like some have said.

It'd feel like a huge missed opportunity and letdown to limit a show, bringing everyone together, to just 4 episodes.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I think initial reports said 4 to 8. But it definitely wont be 13.

 

[Random490]

Just one more piece that needs to be added to the puzzle.

I seriously hope that this show is at least 8 episodes long and not just 4 episodes like some have said.

It'd feel like a huge missed opportunity and letdown to limit a show, bringing everyone together, to just 4 episodes.

I'd be fine with four, just means they won't try to drag it out or have a bunch of fillers. One of the great things about netflix is the number of episodes is really up to the showrunners. So if it's only four episodes, than it's just always been intended as a four episode story. Another plus is that it's production will be a lot quicker.

 

[ernesth100]

Ya know for some reason I can no longer even look at Charlie Cox without thinking he's blind.

 

[Dasher10]

Netflix is the only chance Ghost Rider has at ever being on screen again. He's like Punisher. He's had his shot, all attempts failed pretty miserably. Either because he's not perceived as a very interesting character or because his films were some bull****, the general audience likely doesn't have much of an interest in seeing him again so soon, he doesn't fit in Marvel's film plans, and nobody's looking to put $100 million down on him.

He can be done on Netflix. Put somebody with a vision for the project at the helm and give them a good amount of preparation time to work within the confines of their budget and magic CAN happen. Marvel took away everything significant about the character of Ant-Man and still made a good Ant-Man film. If they want Ghost Rider to happen, he will...


...but Moon Knight first t:

I feel like Ghost Rider should be a long way away. The next round of Netflix series should be Elektra, Punisher, Moon Knight and Blade.

Thunderbolts shouldn't even go into development until Bullseye appears on Daredevil, a Spider-Man sequel is greenlit, Sony allows Marvel to use Spider-Man villains on TV and we also see how audiences react to Zemo and Enchantress.

She-Hulk shouldn't appear until we get a Hulk sequel that can establish an origin for Jen.

Ghost Rider should be part of that third wave of shows starting in around 2020 assuming that people like Doctor Strange as well as the hypothetical Blade series. By that point in time, the cost of doing the CGI needed for a Ghost Rider series should be affordable.

And if Sony are willing to play ball and give Marvel TV rights, I'd love to see Silver Sable show up, provided that she appears on Agents of SHIELD or in a Spider-Man film first.

The way that I see it is 2015-2016 should be the first four series. 2017 should be Defenders. 2018-2019 should be wave 2 (Punisher and Elektra first in 2018 then Moon Knight in 2019). Wave 3 starts in 2020 with Silver Sable and Thunderbolts and 2021 is She-Hulk and Ghost Rider.

There shouldn't be a fourth wave. Spider-Man is going to be featured on the big screen and Ms. Marvel is headed to ABC. Anything more is scraping the bottom of the barrel of Marvel's street-level heroes. For instance, White Tiger, Echo, Prowler and Black Cat have never been able to sustain their own series. They've had minis but unlike the others, they have never had a real ongoing series. And Darkhawk would be doable but his origin is tied to the Shi'Ar... who are owned by Fox and he's most likely off limits to both studios.

And I could see Power Pack on the Disney Channel, Avengers Academy and Runaways on ABC Family and Superpro on ESPN. Keep in mind that I probably wouldn't bother to watch the latter. I can just see it happening.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

I feel like Ghost Rider should be a long way away. The next round of Netflix series should be Elektra, Punisher, Moon Knight and Blade.

Ooo, I honestly like that lineup. Elektra, I hope would be filmed on location in Japan. What with the money they've been raking in. Punisher should just mosey on in New York or Chicago or LA. Moon Knight... Curious... Werewolves or...? I think him and Blade could start a new Nightstalkers or something. That'd be interesting. I know many like their Moon Knight fighting regular criminals and Fist of Kanshu and such, but it'd be a redundant with Daredevil and Iron Fist. I think werewolf hunter could be interesting. It's his origin after all.

 

[Zoom]

A Netflix serie with Thunderbolts could be good, but in the next year already will happens the Suicide Squad in the DC cronology. I think that is the same essence. Villains that have an oportunity to be heroes for a day...
I know, the plot is different, but basically is very similar.

The Ghost Rider would be nice, but, how someone spoke behind, the CGI costs are very high.

And, Moon Knight is like the Batman, but his stories are not so nice like the DC character.

In the Defenders, they could include some mutant, unpopular who knows. Suddenly Namor or Cloud. Other interest character is the Moondragon, she would be a good aquisition to this team. She is arrogant but has a good heart.

Wha a joke.