Just how massive will the MCU be in 2021 and beyond?
I've spent an inordinate amount of time the past few months of my life doing what I do most: thinking. Now I can't say that I should have spent as much time thinking about what Marvel Studios are planning for the future, but I can't change it now nor get back the time I spent thinking while doing mundane things like showering, vacuuming, and running. I've had, for a while now, a feeling that Kevin Feige, the MCU shepherd, has a much larger plan for the big picture of the MCU than what any of us have been thinking. I've been doing a lot of reading and research and speculating lately and all that has led me to do nothing other than continue to believe that Kevin Feige plans to grow the MCU beyond anything most of us comic nerds really ever thought possible.
The Avengers was a monumental success. It was a bold move to invest in it up front, beginning with the after credits scene in Iron Man. Once that was set in motion, the rest of the Phase 1 films were meticulously planned and strategically placed (and retconned in typical comic fashion) to cross-reference one another while building their own characters and setting up the epic crossover event we've all watched one or two times. For most fans The Avengers was the realization of a dream we had as kids, teens and even adults: a unified cinematic universe in which our heroes co-existed in full awareness and collaboration with one another. We thought we had climbed to the apex of fanboy happiness...well, we need to remember the guy who calls the shots is a fanboy too and, quite possibly, may have bigger dreams of much taller mountains he wants to climb.
We are now seeing the beginnings of Phase 2 and the films are still Avenger-centric. We got more Iron Man and we're getting more Captain America and Thor and we know that, in 2015, we will get another Avengers movie complete with Ultron, the human-hating robot that you really can't kill. But then, right in the midst of all this Avengers build up, we get Guardians of the Galaxy and it is clear that it doesn't fit in with what we have had and are going to get. One of these things is not like the other...Guardians is the first step in a new direction for Marvel Studios, one that will lead down a path that splits off many ways and gives us a more massive MCU than what we have now and one that is not always Avengers-centric.
Feige is a smart guy. He built the Marvel brand with the big names and the Avengers. Now he build the Marvel universe knowing people will flock to Marvel movies and he can always fall back on what has worked IF things go wrong and we know that there is going to be a third Avengers film, probably in 2018 but we can't be sure, not just yet at least, that that Avengers film is going to be THE big payoff that finally pits Earth's Mightiest Heroes against Thanos. That third Avengers film, it may not be just an Avengers film afterall. As mighty as they are, the Avengers cannot take down the Mad Titan by themselves.
They'll need some help...a lot of help and it may come from some of these other places that Feige is daring to take us now. Why introduce the Guardians of the Galaxy? To give us an new side of the Marvel universe and the Guardians aren't meant to be the only Cosmic players. I believe we'll see Nova, Adam Warlock, Captain Marvel, the Kree empire and more. I absolutely believe an Infinity-based mega-team up is going to happen at some point, combining the Avengers and some members of the Cosmic corners. But then what? It's 2018. Is Marvel Studios done making movies? We know that's not the case and that they already have plans up until 2021, which would be four phases of films. What comes next in a cinematic universe where the Avengers have protected Earth from Thanos?
Tony Stark can live forever but Robert Downey Jr. can't. Someone needs to replace him and, as of now, it makes no sense to kill off or reboot Iron Man. It does make sense to see if you can't find your next 10 year centerpiece and that's exactly what Feige has plans to do. 2 phases of Avengers-centric films gives Marvel Studios a lot of cache with the casual fan...enough to take a chance on GotG and Ant-Man and Doctor Strange. People have voiced their doubts about Guardians of the Galaxy on forums and boards and comments sections for a long time citing a talking raccoon and a list of unknown C or D-list heroes for a long time; now it's the most hyped CBM out there for next year. Ant-Man has been on the way forever and for years people have bahsed the Ant-Man film without knowing the premise, just that Ant-Man will fail because he has "dumb" powers. I'm willing to bet, will make a whole lot more than what most doubters and haters think. Those two films aside, the biggest risk Marvel Studios is making is with Doctor Strange. Feige wants Strange to be the cog that spins the wheels of Phases 3 and 4, the replacement centerpiece when Tony Stark steps out of the spotlight. If Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man misfire it's just one film. If Doctor Strange misfires...it's potentially the future of the MCU.
Feige isn't about to let that happen. Just as Guardians of the Galaxy started appearing on toy shelves and in Avengers: EMH you can bet that Doctor Strange will be popping up in Avengers Assemble and that his role in the Marvel comics will continue to expand. Feige will get feedback while force-feeding fans. Feige has game and he will not let the MCU derail. I'd offer up that he listens to the fans a whole lot more than we think he does and that he will be very in tune with what he has to do to make Doctor Strange a success. Why go Doctor Strange? Why take that chance to fail just for a solo film? Feige plans to open up the door to mystic Marvel and he is not meant to be the only mystic player. I believe we will see Doctor Strange lead a team of heroes against large scale mystical threats in the Defenders. And that means we need Defenders.
In rereading some older interviews with Feige and finally reading the Immortal Iron Fist, I've determined that somewhere, Iron Fist fits into Marvel film plans. Is Iron Fist any less likely to work than Iron Man was? Remember that, before the film was a huge hit, Iron Man was not an A-list hero. Sure he is an original Avenger but he was not the face of Marvel that he is now. Marvel has had tremendous luck during their ascent to the throne of CBMs...but chance favors the prepared mind and I'm guessing Kevin Feige is pretty damned prepared. The Immortal Iron Fist story line, even after it's adapted to fit the screen, will absolutely capture people's attention. Danny Rand can be made into a great big screen character and the historical perspective and the grandness of the Immortal Iron Fist story line will taste like Indiana Jones, The Mummy, The Last Dragon, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and 13 Assassins all got shoved into a pot pie. I really don't know when we will see Iron Fist but I can tell you I cannot wait. And if we get Doctor Strange and Iron Fist, and we've already had Ant-Man and the Hulk is already in the MCU, is it really that far-fetched that we might see a Defenders film? I really don't think it is.
These are big plans. I have no idea if a single one of these movies I speculated on will ever get made. Maybe in 2018 the Avengers beat Thanos and then we never see another Marvel Studios film again...or maybe the Avengers were the foot in the door to bring the impressive and expansive list of characters and teams to the screen, not in place of the Avengers but alongside of them. I know we will see the Avengers again and again; I just can't believe that they are the only team we will see. Not now, not after seeing how well and far down the road Kevin Feige has planned. The MCU is about to go through its own Big Bang and expand beyond what a lot of use could have ever dreamed of...except for Kevin Feige, the biggest fanboy nerd of us all.
Source: Comic Book Brain Splatter
Does the MCU Have Room for The Defenders?
The Avengers can't stop every threat to the MCU...there must be someone else to defend it.
Marvel Studios have certainly cemented their success in a foundation built on taking individual characters, building franchises out of them and then, once every few years, teaming them up. We are just entering into Phase 2 of their plans which will include last May's Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy and culminate in 2015 with the team-up flick, Avengers: Age of Ultron. Thank you, Marvel Studios creative team, for adding subtitles to your movies and getting away from numbering.
As a movie-making studio, Marvel absolutely has a successful template in front of them and, in all certainty, will see it succeed again with Phase 2. The question is, with Iron Man, Captain America and Thor all fully established as franchises and the Avengers team-up poised for at least two more sequels, where do they go from here? Which is the way that's clear?
Recently Kevin Feige, godfather of the MCU, mentioned that Marvel had plans for their films until 2021. We, as a fan base, know we will see Ant-Man, the first Phase 3 film, November 6, 2015 and future, yet untitled films, on each of the following dates: May 6, 2016, July 8, 2016 and May 5, 2017. Quick deductions indicate that sometime in 2018 we will see another team up event followed by some Phase 4 films and another team up event in 2021. Will Marvel give us 4 Avengers movies or are there some other team up films in the works?
Marvel would be foolish not to continue to cash in on the Avengers, and we know they will as Feige has said messing with the Avengers roster is part of the fun, but they would be equally foolish to ignore a successful template, established by them, and not begin to introduce some of their other teams into the MCU. Yes, Guardians of the Galaxy fits that bill to an extent and I've voiced my opinion before that Marvel is going to go hard at building their Cosmic universe. They will continue to build the Avengers brand as well but what about a third, parallel path? I'm talking about establishing characters in solo outings and then putting them together in a team up, as they did in Phase 1 and with the news that Doctor Strange will fill one of those Phase 3 dates I listed above and that the good folks at Marvel mean for Strange to be their cinematic centerpiece, one team jumps out and slaps me: The Defenders.
As a kid, in the 80s, I had a wide range of comic favorites. I loved The Uncanny X-Men, Spider-Man and The Avengers books but one book that I would pick up from time to time and really loved was The Defenders. Some of the stories were so out there and the cast of characters so different and so anti-team that I read out of curiosity.
The Defenders existed to defend the Earth against the supernatural and Doctor Strange, naturally as the Sorcerer Supreme, had a central role in the books and his crib, the Sanctum Sanctorum, a hot spot for other worldly energies, was a meeting place and occasional headquarters for the team.
The roster, as with the Avengers and all of Marvel's teams, was constantly in flux but if you were to pick a core most would agree on Strange, Hulk and Namor, the Sub-Mariner, who also happen to be the founders of the group.
Hulk is already an established part of the MCU and Mark Ruffalo is signed on for multiple films. Doctor Strange is about to be on the scene. Namor has yet to be seen in the MCU though his company, Oracle, has been dropped in here and there and Iron Man 2 featured a small, Namor Easter Egg as well. The brooding, arrogant and ambiguous nature of Namor will make for a great addition to the MCU, though I imagine there is much hesitation to give him a solo film. Marvel's Chief Creative Officer, Joe Quesada, has said that Namor's film rights are in the hands of Marvel despite him being associated with the Fantastic Four so who knows when we may see the Prince of Atlantis make an appearance. If true, you have everything you need to build a strong foundation for a Defenders film.
The Avengers was about the core four, Hulk, Thor, Captain America and Iron Man and a little Black Widow and Hawkeye sprinkled in. The three names above could combine with any number heroes for whom Marvel owns film rights. Take your pick from: Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist (there's an entirely different movie right there) Ant-Man, etc...enough to fill out a roster.
Marvel has said they are interested in making super hero movies that aren't just super hero movies...they want to expand into other genres. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is said to be a tense political thriller in addition to being a super hero flick. They are going into space with the Guardians of the Galaxy. Doctor Strange will be the gateway to another side of the Marvel universe and another genre of movie: supernatural thrillers, maybe even quasi-horror movies.
In the same way that Iron Man had to work in order for there to be an Avengers, Doctor Strange will have to work for thereto be a Defenders. Marvel knows this and is going to choose quite carefully for the role of Stephen Strange and, if rumors are to be believed, I think Joseph Gordon Levitt is a wonderful choice. Don't be surprised for Dormammu, the likely big bad of the Doctor Strange movie, comes back to attack Earth with a vengeance so strong that Strange has no choice but to reach out for help.
This, like everything on here, is basically a collection of the ramblings going on in my head. I have no idea if it'll turn out but the supernatural and magical aspects will draw a different crowd outside of hardcore fanboys and, if the Strange solo flick works out, people will go see anything with Strange in it just as they did with Iron Man. At this point Marvel has the ability to take a chance or two, they are with Guardians of the Galaxy, because they know they can come back to their Avengers and be safe. If they try and succeed, and start building multiple parallel paths within their cinematic universe, the possibilities down the road are endless! See if they roll the Defenders dice.
Source: The Nerdery Brain Splatter Blog
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