The Defenders The Defenders General Discussion Thread

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, Heroes for Hire is a framework for a show. I analogize it to The Rockford Files for superheroes. It's entirely different from the Defenders (and different from Luke Cage or Iron Fist individually).

As for the Adjective in front of Avengers, I'm OK with it for New Avengers, but that's because I'm going with the theory that, after the current run gets their three movies, they'll introduce replacements for the current characters (starting with Doctor Strange, but going on to Black Panther, Captain (Ms.) Marvel, etc.). Given that the Avenger movies don't seem to have numbers, it'll be a nice change of pace from Avengers: Subtitle. Plus, I'll point out there's at least a slight precedent in adding the adjective for reboots, such as The Incredible Hulk and the Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[mace1]

I asked this in the LC thread but it fits better here. I know most think after the Defenders event we will get Heroes for Hire but what if they go a different route and get an official okay from the Avengers proper and become the Mighty Avengers. That is what Luke and Jess are doing right now in the 616. I know it basically is just a name since we can all pretty much assume after the defenders these heroes will all be working together on some level regardless of if they are Defenders, HfH or MA. That would free up the defenders name to be used for a future team though.

I was thinking of this too,but some of these superheros exist in the ultimate universe but others do not,but if they are heading this way then there might be chance for a mighty avengers current team from the 616 universe with some added members in mcu and a chance for Monica Rambeau,Adam Brashear(Blue Marvel) to show up in the mcu.
So we will have too see or i will believe it when i see it.

The latter mindset is what i am going more and more for these days,but there is little hope since you reminded me of this thought i had before,but who really knows.

 

[mace1]

I don't think they'd do that. Seems like too much swapping and changing for no big reason. Its easy to do it in the comics because the fans know the differences, but with the on screen stuff it could confuse the GA. The changes they've made already fit nicely and make sense. There would be no need to change these defenders into mighty avengers, and then make a whole new defenders. I say leave these guys as the defenders, and keep the avengers as is. Like others have said, theres pretty much no point in having a superpowered global level defenders team in the MCU because the Avengers already fit the bill. If any other team needs to be brought to the big screen it needs to be the midnight sons, led by Dr. Strange so marvel can get a wider scope on the supernatural.

I was thinking of that too recently and this was my latest thoughts.

 

[mace1]

I read somewhere that avengers will only have 3 movies,just like iron man,thor etc..

It seems that the mcu so far is following most of the ultimate universe line up so far anyway when it comes to earth superheros mixed in with some 616 characters. when needed.

So i think there will not be a new avengers or mighty avengers in the mcu.

Those teams are from the 616 universe not the ultimate and some of there superheros do not exist in the ultimate universe either.


So it seems clear so far certain superheros i want to see from the 616 universe from marvel,will not show up if they are largely following the ultimate universe line up.

So there really is no hope for Monica Rambeau,Adam Brashear(Blue Marvel), Maxam etc to show up in the mcu.

Sigurd IS RECENT and not in the ultimate universe but he is from Asgard and might have chance since there is a Thor and Loki connection in story,but who knows.



It could change or some of that could change but i will believe it when i see it.

The only hope then is animation.

The space stuff in the mcu, guardians of the galaxy clearly is from the 616 universe.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I read somewhere that avengers will only have 3 movies,just like iron man,thor etc..

It seems that the mcu so far is following most of the ultimate universe line up so far anyway when it comes to earth superheros mixed in with some 616 characters. when needed.

So i think there will not be a new avengers or mighty avengers in the mcu.

Those teams are from the 616 universe not the ultimate and some of there superheros do not exist in the ultimate universe either.


So it seems clear so far certain superheros i want to see from the 616 universe from marvel,will not show up if they are largely following the ultimate universe line up.

So there really is no hope for Monica Rambeau,Adam Brashear(Blue Marvel), Maxam etc to show up in the mcu.

Sigurd IS RECENT and not in the ultimate universe but he is from Asgard and might have chance since there is a Thor and Loki connection in story,but who knows.



It could change or some of that could change but i will believe it when i see it.

The only hope then is animation.

The space stuff in the mcu, guardians of the galaxy clearly is from the 616 universe.

That's not quite true. The current crop of Avengers will have three movies, but that does not mean there won't be an Avengers 4. If the franchise continues and is still successful, it's highly likely there will be an Avengers 4, but they will have a new group of actors and heroes to keep the franchise fresh. Remember, they have things planned out until 2028. No way does Marvel go that far and end the Avengers a decade early unless all of the rest of their films become big flops.

I don't think we'll see Blue Marvel at all in the MCU, but I think we'll see Monica Rambeau, although it may not be until after Avengers 3.

There will be an Avengers 4, except without most of the current crop of actors.

 

[jonathancrane]

Since the Defenders title has been appropriated to the street level heroes, I'm hoping for the team in the comics - the one that combats cosmic/supernatural menaces- to appear elsewhere. I read the second Masterworks volume and loved the heck outta it...thus, that's why I'm saving for the third, which collects Gerber's run on the mag.

 

[mace1]

That's not quite true. The current crop of Avengers will have three movies, but that does not mean there won't be an Avengers 4. If the franchise continues and is still successful, it's highly likely there will be an Avengers 4, but they will have a new group of actors and heroes to keep the franchise fresh. Remember, they have things planned out until 2028. No way does Marvel go that far and end the Avengers a decade early unless all of the rest of their films become big flops.

I don't think we'll see Blue Marvel at all in the MCU, but I think we'll see Monica Rambeau, although it may not be until after Avengers 3.

There will be an Avengers 4, except without most of the current crop of actors.

Well look at the transformers.
They going for two more movies after this one.
If avengers have more movies then 3,then there could be some hope for blue marvel then,BUT most of the line up is the ultimate line up,mixed in the 616 universe.

Like i said some hope,you never know.
If thor goes away after avengers 3 they would need new superman level heavy hitters to help to protect the earth.
Blue marvel,marvel now hyperion and the sentry for example.The sentry is a bad guy now but they could work that in too.

He becomes bad and has to be taken down.That would be a really interesting story too.

Good superhero that's really powerful goes bad.

Of course in the 616 universe blue marvel is written has a superhero that been around and protected the earth in the 60's.
The sentry is written as a older superhero too,and hyperion has been around but the new version is recent in the story.
Of course there are other really powerful superheros in marvel too like captain universe,scarlet witch,doctor voodo, etc..etc..


The silver surfur is really more of space guy and can't be used in mcu anyway and gladiator is more of space guy too and cares less about earth then the silver surfer.


By the way we don't know what type of other tv shows they will have in the future.
Anything could happen.


I thought thier plans by the way were up to 2021 but if it's longer,like i said anything could happen,even more so.

 

[mace1]

Here some interesting comments and links

Is the Marvel Cinematic Universe 616 or Ultimate?

kidpokerfan

The movies are their own thing.

Spidex3000

If you want to be technical, it's earth 199999

Nintendological

It is neither. It draws influences from both worlds, but the marvel cinematic universe is primarily its own thing.

prince_leo

It's the MCU
http://marvel.wikia.com/Earth-199999

Is the Marvel Cinematic Universe 616 or Ultimate?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/227-movies-at-the-theater/66575673

 

[Dr. Evil]

Well look at the transformers.
They going for two more movies after this one.
If avengers have more movies then 3,then there could be some hope for blue marvel then,BUT most of the line up is the ultimate line up,mixed in the 616 universe.

Like i said some hope,you never know.
If thor goes away after avengers 3 they would need new superman level heavy hitters to help to protect the earth.
Blue marvel,marvel now hyperion and the sentry for example.The sentry is a bad guy now but they could work that in too.

He becomes bad and has to be taken down.That would be a really interesting story too.

Good superhero that's really powerful goes bad.

Of course in the 616 universe blue marvel is written has a superhero that been around and protected the earth in the 60's.
The sentry is written as a older superhero too,and hyperion has been around but the new version is recent in the story.
Of course there are other really powerful superheros in marvel too like captain universe,scarlet witch,doctor voodo, etc..etc..


The silver surfur is really more of space guy and can't be used in mcu anyway and gladiator is more of space guy too and cares less about earth then the silver surfer.


By the way we don't know what type of other tv shows they will have in the future.
Anything could happen.


I thought thier plans by the way were up to 2021 but if it's longer,like i said anything could happen,even more so.

I'm not a comic book guy so I could care less about 616 or whatever.

 

[mace1]

This is interesting.


Marvel Has Its Movies Planned Through 2028. Yes, 2028.

http://io9.com/marvel-has-its-movies-planned-through-2028-yes-2028-1557658600


Predicting The Next 28 Movies Marvel Will Make Up To 2028
Kevin Feige says Marvel has a master-plan up until 2028 - but what would that look like exactly?

http://whatculture.com/film/predicting-next-28-movies-marvel-will-make-2028.php

 

[kosh33]

Feige confirmed Marvel has Submariner but there are some legal issues to overcome before a movie can be made.. would love to see him in the defenders with Hulk and Strange

http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/07/1...?+main+twitter

 

[metaphysician]

Again, neither Hulk nor Strange are going to be on the Defenders. The Defenders are a street level team.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Agreed. This is something new for marvel. Not the classic team.

 

[jonathancrane]

I hope they create a Defenders equivalent; there's some awesome stuff to be mined from Englehart and Gerber's runs with the title.

 

[kosh33]

Again, neither Hulk nor Strange are going to be on the Defenders. The Defenders are a street level team.

i agree, but it would be good to have them atleast stand together in a frame just to symbolise their team in the comics.. Marvel like throwing in scenes like that.. so i hope it happens in the future

 

[The Question]

Again, neither Hulk nor Strange are going to be on the Defenders. The Defenders are a street level team.

Who knows? What if Dr. Strange is the guy who brings the team together, like Nick Fury did for The Avengers?

And, like, what exactly does "street level" mean? What's "street level" about a kung fu wizard who was raised in another dimension and got his magic powers by beating a dragon to death with his bare hands? That's some high fantasy **** right there.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Iron fist is the only one who fits that niche though. Point being, they're local to new york and hells kitchen area, cleaning up those streets, hence the street level team.

And yes iron fist has extra dimensional adventures, but chances are he'll be taking care of local issues as well fantastical.

its clear marvel is taking the defenders In a different direction than what they are/were In the comic.

 

[The Question]

Iron fist is the only one who fits that niche though. Point being, they're local to new york and hells kitchen area; yes iron fist has extra dimensional adventures, but chances are he'll be taking care of local issues as well fantastical.

Okay. So what?

I mean, Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, and Hawkeye don't normally fight aliens or pagan gods. But they did in The Avengers.

There's no reason that their team up has to be more of the same. That isn't the case with The Avengers. The Avengers come together to deal with things that are bigger than what they deal with on their own. The Defenders can and should be the same way.

Also, this is a bit pedantic, I know, but Luke Cage isn't local to the Hell's Kitchen area. He's from the Bronx. It's an entirely different borough.

its clear marvel is taking the defenders In a different direction than what they are/were In the comic.

It's not clear, it's assumed. We don't know what the Defenders mini will be like. We don't know the plot, we don't know what brings the team together.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Well I guess you'll have to sit back and wait for things to unfold with the rest of the world huh?

 

[The Question]

Well I guess you'll have to sit back and wait for things to unfold with the rest of the world huh?

Yes. I will. We all will.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Okay. So what?

I mean, Captain America, Iron Man, Black Widow, and Hawkeye don't normally fight aliens or pagan gods. But they did in The Avengers.

However, not only "did" they in the movie, but they "do" in the comics as well as the Avengers. The intent of this storyline is to go with low-level threats that are below the purview of the Avengers. I think a good example of this is in the Typhoid Mary storyline for Daredevil where Daredevil is fighting villains like Bullet, Bushwhacker, Ammo, and the Wildboys (the most advanced of these is a guy with a cybernetic gun (Bushwhacker). Bullet is just a fast and strong guy. The others have literally no special abilities beyond an average human). The Human Torch flies by and says "Daredevil's got this." The threats in the show are designed to be ones that Johnny Storm wouldn't bother with. I think Doctor Strange as well would deal with bigger things.

 

[metaphysician]

Its not like there aren't plenty of possible threats they can fight. Marvel has decades worth of street level and just-above-street-level villains and plots to draw from.

 

[The Question]

However, not only "did" they in the movie, but they "do" in the comics as well as the Avengers. The intent of this storyline is to go with low-level threats that are below the purview of the Avengers. I think a good example of this is in the Typhoid Mary storyline for Daredevil where Daredevil is fighting villains like Bullet, Bushwhacker, Ammo, and the Wildboys (the most advanced of these is a guy with a cybernetic gun (Bushwhacker). Bullet is just a fast and strong guy. The others have literally no special abilities beyond an average human). The Human Torch flies by and says "Daredevil's got this." The threats in the show are designed to be ones that Johnny Storm wouldn't bother with. I think Doctor Strange as well would deal with bigger things.

How do you know what the intent is?

 

[Mike Murdock]

They said what their intent was.

 

[fixxxer]

Yea, this whole inability to give up the notion that this version of the Defenders will be a street-level team and not the Defenders portrayed in the comics is starting to look simply like obstinate refusal in the face of every fact we've been given about the Netflix/Marvel project(s).