The Disney owns Fox thread

[honestbharani]

Competition is good for a free market. It's the lubricant of industry. What Disney has the power to do now is eliminate competition to a larger degree than the film industry has ever experienced before. That means they have the impunity to do virtually anything they want. This has some good implications certainly, but it has a lot more very bad implications. It might be cynical to assume Disney will abuse that power, but economic theory is literally based around the line of thinking that they will. That's why monopolies are seen as bad things.

Is that the 1% as absolute certainty speech I am reading there?

 

[Wheels]

So there's speculation that Murdoch's remaining assets will be rebranded and Disney bought the name as well.

 

[honestbharani]

I agree. It's really disappointing that few people in this thread are concerned with the real world implications, as opposed to the ones concerning their cartoon characters.

Please enlighten us on how this affects terrorism, child labor, and world peace.

 

[honestbharani]

So there's speculation that Murdoch's remaining assets will be rebranded and Disney bought the name as well.

I assumed FOX is enough differentiation from 21st Century FOX or whatever? Also, Fox is a big brand down under, I have heard. Why will Murdoch give that up?

 

[childeroland]

So there's speculation that Murdoch's remaining assets will be rebranded and Disney bought the name as well.

What does that mean, exactly? Outwardly Disney and Fox would operate as two related companies, or the Fox brand as a Disney subsidiary?

 

[Sithborg]

Please enlighten us on how this affects terrorism, child labor, and world peace.

Well, it will impact on how it is reported, depending on how wide he grows Fox News.

 

[Wheels]

What does that mean, exactly? Outwardly Disney and Fox would operate as two related companies, or the Fox brand as a Disney subsidiary?

The latter I believe.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Audiences get better films? Well, that's all about personal taste, and what you want from movies.

Well, let's look at it this way: you'll never be able to please everyone. But it is possible to please most people.

Remember Fant4stic? Or any of the lackluster X-Men films? How about the recent Alien projects? If they were "better films" they would've been more profitable franchises and FOX wouldn't be trying to sell them off.

Truth is, FOX has been putting out a lot of critically panned and financially unsuccessful movies. Their brand has been weakened by few-hits-and-more-misses for years. This merger was only a matter of time--and if not with Disney, it would've been with someone else.

 

[honestbharani]

Who would you have preffered to buy FOX, because no matter if this particular deal materialized, FOX was selling their assets. It doesn't matter if it was Disney, Comcast, etc. Fox's fate was sealed and another of the big time companies was gaining them (they're the only ones that can afford to). I get the larger implications about monopolies and such, but the harsh reality is Disney didn't go to FOX and bully them into a deal, FOX was selling their assets to the best buyer for them because they wanted out of these particular businesses. So, if Comcast bought FOX, would we be having this same conversation?

Amazing how that essential part of the origin story is basically forgotten in all these "Disney is the evil empire" posts, isn't it? Its funny how the ones who claim the regular joe poster here is failing to see the reality, the bigger picture and the impact on "important" things in the world, are seemingly forgetting the one simple important fact in all of this. There would have been no more FOX Studios irrespective of Disney buying them or not. So jobs would have been lost, movie and TV properties would have been consolidated and there would have been 1 lesser studio. Funny how people only come out crying when its Disney who are simply reaping the rewards for having put out quality products and maintained a good organizational culture and structure. The nerve of Disney actually being good at what they do!!!!!

 

[honestbharani]

Well, it will impact on how it is reported, depending on how wide he grows Fox News.

Except I dont think it was what the poster was talking about.


And how it is reported in one section of the media? In the day and age of absolutely biased media coverage everywhere of everything, does it even matter?

 

[Sithborg]

Well, let's look at it this way: you'll never be able to please everyone. But it is possible to please most people.

Remember Fant4stic? Or any of the lackluster X-Men films? How about the recent Alien projects? If they were "better films" they would've been more profitable franchises and FOX wouldn't be trying to sell them off.

Truth is, FOX has been putting out a lot of critically panned and financially unsuccessful movies. Their brand has been weakened by few-hits-and-more-misses for years. This merger was only a matter of time--and if not with Disney, it would've been with someone else.

This sale was never about how profitable Fox was. It was about Murdoch not being able to expand to the size he wanted. So, now, the Murdochs are going for a much more focused empire.

 

[honestbharani]

This sale was never about how profitable Fox was. It was about Murdoch not being able to expand to the size he wanted. So, now, the Murdochs are going for a much more focused empire.

And would he be so interested in expanding the News side of his business if his movie studio was making him more money?

 

[Sithborg]

And would he be so interested in expanding the News side of his business if his movie studio was making him more money?

Again, profitability has no effect on the ability to grow. He wanted to be Disney sized, but couldn't.

 

[Iceman]

This sale was never about how profitable Fox was. It was about Murdoch not being able to expand to the size he wanted. So, now, the Murdochs are going for a much more focused empire.

Yep. Scale is becoming crucial in some of these industries and will likely be more so with current trends and developments.

 

[Steyin]

I'm actually more concerned about the possible negatives of this acquisition if/when the FCC overturns NN.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This sale was never about how profitable Fox was. It was about Murdoch not being able to expand to the size he wanted. So, now, the Murdochs are going for a much more focused empire.

Wait--what? Where do you think the desire for a "more focused empire" comes from? The desire for greater profit. At the end of the day, the main thing that drives all of these decisions is money. Even the push for greater quality films is fueled by the quest for greater profit shares. Audiences won't come back and pay bigger ticket sales for crap--because that means lessened profits.

So yes, this sale definitely had much to do with Fox's profitability and the focus for all involved to improve their financial standings.

 

[Sithborg]

Yep. Scale is becoming crucial in some of these industries and will likely be more so with current trends and developments.

And Marvel Comics is about to take a big hit out of Dark Horse.

 

[Sithborg]

Wait--what? Where do you think the desire for a "more focused empire" comes from? The desire for greater profit. At the end of the day, the main thing that drives all of these decisions is money. Even the push for greater quality films is fueled by the quest for greater profit shares. Audiences won't come back and pay bigger ticket sales for crap--because that means lessened profits.

So yes, this sale definitely had much to do with Fox's profitability and the focus for all involved to improve their financial standings.

It has always been stated that the reason why they want out is that they couldn't grow as big as they wanted.

 

[Teelie]

No matter how explicitly it is explained that Fox and Disney be seperate entities, even if Fox were owned by a competitor is lost on those same people who just will not accept this is a step towards further consolidation. Which is a bad thing.

No, it does not mean original content will be banned, it just means that original content will be locked out of the Disney/Fox and Comcast/NBC/Universal and whatever remaining corporations are that don't want it on their networks because if you think it will stop here I have a bridge in New York to sell. Or want to charge higher costs to visit that streaming service; the other major blow to independent content is Net Neutrality is dead and it won't be hurting a monolith like Disney or Comcast, who IS an ISP.

So cheer it on, then blindly ignore that independent films and content have been on a decline for years and this will only further that. The moment something independent does come about, Disney or Comcast will just buy it up and it's gone.

But hey, you got Avengers, Fantastic Four and now the X-Men to pretend this is better than all the negative implications.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No matter how explicitly it is explained that Fox and Disney be seperate entities, even if Fox were owned by a competitor is lost on those same people who just will not accept this is a step towards further consolidation. Which is a bad thing.

No, it does not mean original content will be banned, it just means that original content will be locked out of the Disney/Fox and Comcast/NBC/Universal and whatever remaining corporations are that don't want it on their networks. Or want to charge higher costs to visit that streaming service; the other major blow to independent content is Net Neutrality is dead and it won't be hurting a monolith like Disney or Comcast, who IS an ISP.

So cheer it on, then blindly ignore that independent films and content have been on a decline for years and this will only further that. The moment something independent does come about, Disney or Comcast will just buy it up and it's gone.

But hey, you got Avengers, Fantastic Four and now the X-Men to pretend this is better than all the negative implications.

100% false. There are more avenues now to get independent films out to people now than ever. Whether it be YT, iTunes, Amazon, whatever, you have more options to get independent cinema out there. I am in the process of post-production on a film of my own, and even if I end up failing on the festival circuit, I can still get profit made. I've studied this.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

So, blockbusters are the only films that matter? Not to mention, there's been plenty of commercially and critically succesful X-Men films. There's no spinning that.

I never said that blockbusters are the only films that matter. Where did you even get that point?

Listen, I don't care if the films are small or large, audiences want good, solid films. FOX has had an inconsistent, spotty track record--the numbers don't lie. As far as the X-Men franchise is concerned? They've had more misses than hits. X2: X-Men United and Days Of Future Past were their best critically-acclaimed films. But ask fans how satisfied they were with the way the characters (aside from Wolverine) were actually handled throughout the series. The responses you'll receive will be varied, but mostly negative.

Don't get me wrong--there's no guarantee that the MCU will magically get Storm, Cyclops, etc., "right" but there's a better chance with this merger. Again, quality control and track record speaks volumes.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Amazing how that essential part of the origin story is basically forgotten in all these "Disney is the evil empire" posts, isn't it? Its funny how the ones who claim the regular joe poster here is failing to see the reality, the bigger picture and the impact on "important" things in the world, are seemingly forgetting the one simple important fact in all of this. There would have been no more FOX Studios irrespective of Disney buying them or not. So jobs would have been lost, movie and TV properties would have been consolidated and there would have been 1 lesser studio. Funny how people only come out crying when its Disney who are simply reaping the rewards for having put out quality products and maintained a good organizational culture and structure. The nerve of Disney actually being good at what they do!!!!!

Thank you.

 

[Iceman]

And Marvel Comics is about to take a big hit out of Dark Horse.

Is this just the Star Wars stuff or more?

 

[honestbharani]

No matter how explicitly it is explained that Fox and Disney be seperate entities, even if Fox were owned by a competitor is lost on those same people who just will not accept this is a step towards further consolidation. Which is a bad thing.

No, it does not mean original content will be banned, it just means that original content will be locked out of the Disney/Fox and Comcast/NBC/Universal and whatever remaining corporations are that don't want it on their networks because if you think it will stop here I have a bridge in New York to sell. Or want to charge higher costs to visit that streaming service; the other major blow to independent content is Net Neutrality is dead and it won't be hurting a monolith like Disney or Comcast, who IS an ISP.

So cheer it on, then blindly ignore that independent films and content have been on a decline for years and this will only further that. The moment something independent does come about, Disney or Comcast will just buy it up and it's gone.

But hey, you got Avengers, Fantastic Four and now the X-Men to pretend this is better than all the negative implications.

What exactly are you cribbing about? Do you even understand the simple fact that Fox was out no matter what? Or facts like that getting the way of your honestly tiring cribbing about absolute falsehoods?