The Disney owns Fox thread

[kguillou]

Call me insane, but I think consolidation can be a good thing to prevent oversaturation of a certain kind of thing. I mean, we're certainly seeing a huge flood of superhero and blockbuster films come out every year now and I dont think its a bad thing if the frequency is reduced and controlled a little bit so that each film we do get is more special. For example, next year we've got NINE comic book films coming out, which is a record. And 8 of them are Marvel comics properties. I think we were easily approaching a point where we'd get 7-8 Marvel movies a year spread across the different studios and potentially 2-3 DC movies a year from WB. I dont necessarily know if I want that.

 

[Weather Witch]

Beyond all the MCU and superhero stuff my thoughts on the Disney / Fox deal can be summed up with this part from Epic Rap Battles of History. Last year, Fox and Disney made up 40% of the US box office. No one company should have anywhere near that much power. And that's not even saying anything about the lack of competition and diversity in movies. Now, of course, there are some good things that will come out of this as well, but as a whole, it's not worth it. I understand why Disney would jump on the "X-Men and Fantastic Four coming home" bandwagon with their press release though, as well hinting that Deadpool will continue undisturbed. Smart move.

 

[Wheels]

Eh. The guy invented all of it. Without him there is no Star Wars, so if he doesn’t want the original versions released, it’s up to him.

It's still bad form on his part. It's like he gave the world something and took it back, changed it, gave it back again and said we can't have our gift the way it was before. He's a bad secret Santa.

 

[FunkMiller]

So for all those who didn't want the Disney-Fox merger and having all the characters back under one roof: on the flip side, would you have been okay if the X-Men were split up across different studios instead? Say some like Wolverine, Beast, Nightcrawler and others at Universal, Cyclops, Iceman, Storm and Shadowcat at Disney and Jean Grey, Angel, and Magneto at WB?

Of course it's a hypothetical situation, but it's demonstrating the point that having characters all over the place instead of under one roof is frustrating.

Or what if the DC characters were split in different directions from WB?

Right now?

Probably a big improvement.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's still bad form on his part. It's like he gave the world something and took it back, changed it, gave it back again and said we can't have our gift the way it was before. He's a bad secret Santa.

I guess. But I long ago accepted the fact that the original versions were never coming back again properly. His royal beardiness has been pretty consistent about that since 1997.

Hell, this is probably sacrilege, but I prefer watching the 97 versions anyway.

 

[Grootster]

I’m not entirely sure seeing The Hulk take on Wolverine is worth that.

I agree. There are a ton of people saying stuff like "heck yeah, now the Avengers can fight the X-men." I get why fans are happy, but I wish more people would step back and look at the picture overall. Aside from what you mentioned, competition is a good thing, it encourages studios to stay a step above their rivals. If all the superheros are owned by the same company, there's a good chance that the quality will go downhill.

Eh. The guy invented all of it. Without him there is no Star Wars, so if he doesn’t want the original versions released, it’s up to him.

Oh, I'm not trying to put down George Lucas by any means, I have much respect for him. Yes, he has the right to not allow them to be released if he doesn't want them to be, but I don't think that's in very good taste. We're not just talking about some run-of-the-mill movie, we're talking about something incredibly influential that many regard as a piece of art and even a piece of history. I have no problem with the Special Editions existing or even being the main "canon". Again, I'm not hating on Lucas, I honestly believe he just doesn't understand the importance of having these films.

I'm confused. So are we getting the original version of the OT or not?

According to Pablo Hidalgo (who's part of Lucasfilm's story group), probably not. It sounds like George Lucas has the final say in whether or not they get released. He probably put something in the contract that prevents Disney from releasing the unaltered editions (otherwise I'm not sure why they'd be beholden to Lucas' wishes.)

 

[LoganGambit87]

Call me insane, but I think consolidation can be a good thing to prevent oversaturation of a certain kind of thing. I mean, we're certainly seeing a huge flood of superhero and blockbuster films come out every year now and I dont think its a bad thing if the frequency is reduced and controlled a little bit so that each film we do get is more special. For example, next year we've got NINE comic book films coming out, which is a record. And 8 of them are Marvel comics properties. I think we were easily approaching a point where we'd get 7-8 Marvel movies a year spread across the different studios and potentially 2-3 DC movies a year from WB. I dont necessarily know if I want that.

but at the same time it would be a shame if every comic book movie coming out just feels the same with marvel having all their properties they all have the same tone due to cinematic universe and it doesn't help that the dceu is essentially trying to copy the marvel tone as JL showed

it was fresh having films like logan,deadpool,days of future past and upcoming new mutants not feeling like everything else

every comic book feeling the same has more to do with fatigue than the amount of films coming out

 

[Weather Witch]

I agree. There are a ton of people saying stuff like "heck yeah, now the Avengers can fight the X-men." I get why fans are happy, but I wish more people would step back and look at the picture overall. Aside from what you mentioned, competition is a good thing, it encourages studios to stay a step above their rivals. If all the superheros are owned by the same company, there's a good chance that the quality will go downhill.

This. I honestly get why people are excited right now, but the long-term picture is not as pretty.

 

[StormC]

Hell, this is probably sacrilege, but I prefer watching the 97 versions anyway.

I trusted you, man.

 

[LoganGambit87]

ah man now i just realized we now likely wont get noah hawley working on doctor doom that was exciting news back at comic con

 

[Donald Thomas]

Marvel fans will have the happiest of Christmases this year.

Aloha,
You got that right. Just to be open, I used to be a Marvel stockholder. I voted for Marvel to go over to Disney. I do not have any stock in Disney. I can see where some are concerned about giant monopolies but it's not like this is something that's going away anytime soon.Companies have mergers every day of the week nowadays. Bottom line- a quality product is a quality product. Junk won't last.I'm not afraid of Disney taking over the world or even media.I'm concerned that Fiege won't live forever and keep giving us great Marvel movies.t:
Spidey rules

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Err...I mean, I can see where Lucas is coming from, regarding the original version. the special edition counts as a new cut and he doesn't have to pay his ex-wife royalities for the SE that way. IIRC, that was not a happy divorce

 

[kguillou]

but at the same time it would be a shame if every comic book movie coming out just feels the same with marvel having all their properties they all have the same tone due to cinematic universe and it doesn't help that the dceu is essentially trying to copy the marvel tone as JL showed

it was fresh having films like logan,deadpool,days of future past and upcoming new mutants not feeling like everything else

every comic book feeling the same has more to do with fatigue than the amount of films coming out

Very good point. Variety is the spice of life and that is what will keep cbms alive. I think now that Disney's acquired everything, Feige and the head honchos have some serious planning on how they are going to keep everything fresh going forward. Deadpool and Logan showed that there is a serious audience for R Rated movies on a modestly low budget. They need to start considering creating a Marvel Max type brand where writers and directors can go crazy with a very controlled budget and release unique films you wont get in the MCU.

 

[Sithborg]

It’s certainly a horrible day if you’re a Fox employee. There will be many, many redundancies because of this. Not to mention the fact that a pathway for creative people has just closed forever.

I’m not entirely sure seeing The Hulk take on Wolverine is worth that.

But, it is what it is. Fox wanted out of the content creation business.

You know who else this is bad for? Dark Horse. They are about to lose some of their biggest licenses. Again.

 

[Brother Jack]

It's still bad form on his part. It's like he gave the world something and took it back, changed it, gave it back again and said we can't have our gift the way it was before. He's a bad secret Santa.

It's one thing to revise your own work and re release it. It's another thing to deny access to the originals when there's clearly a public demand for them. That goes farther than doing what you want with your own property. It's doing a disservice to archival film culture.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Aloha,
You got that right. Just to be open, I used to be a Marvel stockholder. I voted for Marvel to go over to Disney. I do not have any stock in Disney. I can see where some are concerned about giant monopolies but it's not like this is something that's going away anytime soon.Companies have mergers every day of the week nowadays. Bottom line- a quality product is a quality product. Junk won't last.I'm not afraid of Disney taking over the world or even media.I'm concerned that Fiege won't live forever and keep giving us great Marvel movies.t:
Spidey rules

This is sarcasm right? Please tell me it is because if it isn't this is the problem. This is the stuff that brings down our freedoms. And not, "The government won't take away my right and freedom to conduct business." It's about creating accountability within that freedom. Look, I support competition and a free market in theory, however, it's not so free when it's not equal.

I'm not being hyperbolic here. It begins with the thought of, "Well it's not my problem... now leave me alone while I enjoy this thing that gives me joy." While these people take over our freedoms. They're not doing something like taking us to concentration camps, but that's the point. These people take over our lives in ways that we don't notice as much, only if we don't pay attention when in actuality, they're there. We can't control what conglomerates buy and don't buy, but that doesn't mean we can't take an active role in opposing it and being scared by it. Like this Net Neutrality repeal.

1984 had it right. These are deeper ideas. These things don't normally happen so out in the open. It's not on a street corner we can pick out and identify as proof with our eyes. It's the idea of it and the idea of it and not identifying it or seeing the problem and choosing not to acknowledge it is just as dangerous. It's the same type of thinking that leads to the bystander effect. It begins where we believe something won't happen. Then when it happens, it's still unbelievable and there's no way it can be that, it sounds like something in a story! And when it happens, it'll already be too late. Reality has far outstripped fiction. This is why critical thinking and skepticism of authority is so important.

 

[jonathancrane]

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[Kane52630]

 

[terry78]

She'd be the last to know if it is.

 

[Arachnerd]

You gotta love the non-intelligent ones.

 

[Mysteryman]

You know who else this is bad for? Dark Horse. They are about to lose some of their biggest licenses. Again.

Did Fox have Dark Horse Licenses?
Which ones?

 

[Mysteryman]

She'd be the last to know if it is.

Why would they recast because of the merger?

 

[terry78]

They probably wouldn't, but we've heard that before.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Oh dear...

 

[Hurm...]

Aloha,
You got that right. Just to be open, I used to be a Marvel stockholder. I voted for Marvel to go over to Disney. I do not have any stock in Disney. I can see where some are concerned about giant monopolies but it's not like this is something that's going away anytime soon.Companies have mergers every day of the week nowadays. Bottom line- a quality product is a quality product. Junk won't last.I'm not afraid of Disney taking over the world or even media.I'm concerned that Fiege won't live forever and keep giving us great Marvel movies.t:
Spidey rules

You do realize that the Disney today might not be the same Disney in ten years time? Companies change (see WB, Sony, etc).