The Disney owns Fox thread

So, what are we talking about now?
 
Current news. antitrust review and all that.

That is just the process. I am again surprised you are more worried about this deal when the real threats are from the net neutrality ruling and mergers such as Comcast+Universal and AT&T+Time Warner. But continue with your baseless factless points :)
 
That is just the process. I am again surprised you are more worried about this deal when the real threats are from the net neutrality ruling and mergers such as Comcast+Universal and AT&T+Time Warner. But continue with your baseless factless points :)

lol those are now worse
all the same to me, but of course those get enough play as is so I'll be here
 
Surprise, surprise. I respond to why this is a bad idea, give several good explanations and suddenly the goal posts are moved to "Well Fox was looking to sell anyways" as if that justifies a bad consolidation of the media. It doesn't matter that Fox was looking to sell, it matters who they were selling it to. Once again you ignore this because you can't accept it is a bad idea.

The only strawman here is the one being built by you for insisting this is a good idea then ignoring the answers you don't like to try and make it look like the original point: this is a bad move, was not even the question in the first place.

Clearly though no amount of explaining why will make a difference. You will just keep finding new ways to evade that answer and go on cheering the Disney Death Star as it decimates and absorbs the competition until there is only a token amount of resistant companies left to pretend they don't control a vast quantity of pop culture.

Cheer it on, be happy right up until it all blows up in your face.

You're forgetting that you're talking to a bunch of people who don't care about ANYTHING as long as stuff is in the "MCU."

It's sad, but it is what it is.

People used to enjoy artists' works: screenwriters, filmmakers. Now people are sucking up to the Mouse because all you need is fanservice and pandering to make them wet their pants.

One of the many reasons I haven't posted in a while and won't anytime soon...

Let them enjoy what they're being fed. No need to argue, you wouldn't be able get a mature conversation out of this anyway.
 
You're forgetting that you're talking to a bunch of people who don't care about ANYTHING as long as stuff is in the "MCU."

It's sad, but it is what it is.

People used to enjoy artists' works: screenwriters, filmmakers. Now people are sucking up to the Mouse because all you need is fanservice and pandering to make them wet their pants.

One of the many reasons I haven't posted in a while and won't anytime soon...

Let them enjoy what they're being fed. No need to argue, you wouldn't be able get a mature conversation out of this anyway.

Well you're definitely entitled to your opinion. And the fans of Fantastic Four and the X-Men aren't just thrilled of them joining the MCU soon, but for the possibility of finally seeing a good Fantastic Four and a X-Men film that is way more faithful than the best Foxverse's movie? Maybe you liked those films after-all. Stop generalizing those " a bunch of people ".

And this isn't just about the film. Those properties would probably show up in videogames, cartoons again and get more merchandise. Which people wouldn't get if they are under Fox.
 
lol those are now worse
all the same to me, but of course those get enough play as is so I'll be here


How are they the same? Can you not tell the difference between owning content and owning content + distribution channels ?
 
You're forgetting that you're talking to a bunch of people who don't care about ANYTHING as long as stuff is in the "MCU."

It's sad, but it is what it is.

People used to enjoy artists' works: screenwriters, filmmakers. Now people are sucking up to the Mouse because all you need is fanservice and pandering to make them wet their pants.

One of the many reasons I haven't posted in a while and won't anytime soon...

Let them enjoy what they're being fed. No need to argue, you wouldn't be able get a mature conversation out of this anyway.



Wow.. if you are so holier than thou, how come you cant understand the basics of the movie business first and foremost? Or is that too "immature" for your intellectness... :D :whatever:


Man, wish someone lent you some common sense for a while.
 
I am actually surprised 3 or 4 of these keyboard warriors are so busy predicting the doom and gloom due to Disney taking over Fox but I wonder why nothing has been brought up regarding the recent ruling on net neutrality and how it puts conglomerates that handle both content creation + distribution channels in an amazingly viable vantage point. Comcast + Universal and AT&T + Time Warner are the real monopoly threats here and yet people find the time to whinge about this deal just coz it's "Disney". Its so laughably absurd. :D


What you have said is true: The massive US ISPs are the real threat because they now have the power to limit our access to their competitors' content, steer us towards their own and even to prevent us from accessing websites or streaming content altogether whenever they choose to do so. That is true monopolistic power, which should frighten everyone, rather than some fantasy of a Disney monopoly that doesn't exist.

Comcast/Universal could decide tomorrow that it would prefer to make it harder for its customers to watch Netflix and Hulu during the Olympics. It can now throttle download speeds to the extent that streaming video is as frustrating or impossible as it was back in the dial-up era. Or it can decide to put data usage caps in place, but only for streaming video from its rivals. If Comcast feels that sports sites like ESPN are "spoiling" events by giving the results as they happen instead of waiting until its NBC network airs them hours later, it can now cut off access to the Disney-owned rival and others as it sees fit. And that's just a few of the possible outcomes of the FCC's pernicious anti-net neutrality ruling. Yet there are people here moaning about Disney when the real monopolistic entities have already bought themselves near-total control of our entertainment choices.

Anyone worried about mega-conglomerates "...controlling our imaginations" need look no further than the repeal of net neutrality to see which corporations are really in control.
 
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What you have said is true: The massive US ISPs are the real threat because they now have the power to limit our access to their competitors' content, steer us towards their own and even to prevent us from accessing websites or streaming content altogether whenever they choose to do so. That is true monopolistic power, which should frighten everyone, rather than some fantasy of a Disney monopoly that doesn't exist.

Comcast/Universal could decide tomorrow that it would prefer to make it harder for its customers to watch Netflix and Hulu during the Olympics. It can now throttle download speeds to the extent that streaming video is as frustrating or impossible as it was back in the dial-up era. Or it can decide to put data usage caps in place, but only for streaming video from its rivals. If Comcast feels that sports sites like ESPN are "spoiling" events by giving the results as they happen instead of waiting until its NBC network airs them hours later, it can now cut off access to the Disney-owned rival and others as it sees fit. And that's just a few of the possible outcomes of the FCC's pernicious anti-net neutrality ruling. Yet there are people here moaning about Disney when the real monopolistic entities have already bought themselves near-total control of our entertainment choices.

Anyone worried about mega-conglomerates "...controlling our imaginations" need look no further than the repeal of net neutrality to see which corporations are really in control.

I am far from an expert when it comes to this sort of thing and I can understand why parts of this agreement may deserve close scrutiny, but does anyone out there think that had Fox and Comcast made the same deal that it would have somehow been more acceptable? I'm not being sarcastic. That's a real question because, from where I sit, it seems to me that the latter deal would have been much more problematic.

At some point, companies sell off assets and just because they are relatively large companies shouldn't disallow them from doing so. So, if not Disney, who WOULD you allow Fox to sell to?
 
Eventually one company will just own everything. $_$
 
Comcast outbids disney with a $65 billion offer for Fox.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...65-billion-for-fox-in-bidding-war-with-disney

Just imagine the reaction if Comcast manages to buy Fox. Marvel fans are already counting their chickens and thinking the F4 and Xmen are joining the MCU. It's closer to being a reality than it's ever been. It's sooo close. To have Comcast snatch that away...the tantrum would be hilarious.
 
Disney would be fools to let it go. They know what a goldmine they have. And they have the money.
 
Disney would be fools to let it go. They know what a goldmine they have. And they have the money.

Disney may not have a choice. Comcast is bigger than Disney. Comcast has $180+ billion in assets. Disney has $95 billion in assets. Comcast revenue is $84 billion. Disney's is $55 billion. If Comcast really wants Fox they have the ability to outbid Disney.
 
Disney may not have a choice. Comcast is bigger than Disney. They have $180+ billion in assets. Disney has $95 billion in assets. Comcast revenue is $84 billion. Disney's is $55 billion. If Comcast really wants Fox they have the ability to outbid Disney.

Comcast is a bit more desperate for content, which is my understanding from reading some analysts in the matter. It's possible that Disney won't win this one. The only silver lining is that a F4 film hasn't been made yet and chance for it to be made under Comcast could give rise on the opportunity that the current standing contract with Marvel may expire.

X-Men, however, won't be let go so easily. So there's that.
 
Well it will be a real bummer if the FF and X-Men film rights can't go back to Marvel but there is always the whole "Marvel-Sony" deal that it's in place for Spider-Man. Who knows, Comcast may want to play ball in a similar fashion. I'd still rather have Disney get Fox.
 
Well it will be a real bummer if the FF and X-Men film rights can't go back to Marvel but there is always the whole "Marvel-Sony" deal that it's in place for Spider-Man. Who knows, Comcast may want to play ball in a similar fashion. I'd still rather have Disney get Fox.

Comcast may not rock the boat so much... they may just leave the lower tier people alone, but the upper management may change hands.

I dunno. Disney for sure will make the most out of the properties is my feeling. But with Comcast? That's an interesting pairing, to say the least.
 
Comcast outbids disney with a $65 billion offer for Fox.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...65-billion-for-fox-in-bidding-war-with-disney

Just imagine the reaction if Comcast manages to buy Fox. Marvel fans are already counting their chickens and thinking the F4 and Xmen are joining the MCU. It's closer to being a reality than it's ever been. It's sooo close. To have Comcast snatch that away...the tantrum would be hilarious.

I'm just waiting for the uproar when that happens.

You know, I actually kinda don't want this deal to go through. Marvel's been doing a pretty good job overall creating a whole universe with the characters they have in their possession now (and Spider-Man), and I'd honestly much rather see them really dig into the 7,000+ characters and stories they already have that haven't seen the light of the silver screen before rather than do more stuff based on properties general audiences are already quite familiar with. (Even if the quality of the MCU versions would be so much better.) Otherwise I just see a lot of Spider-Man syndrome happening again -- i.e., as much as people like Tom Holland's iteration, it was still pretty tiring to general audiences to see yet another live-action Spider-Man series come to fruition, even among my comic book-inclined friends.
 
Good God. Hulk is a supporting character and Universal and Disney can't work together for another Hulk film. Fantastic Four and the X-Men going to Universal can't be good unless you really liked Fox's treatment in the past for those two. Disney would probably bury those two again because of studio politics.
 
Disney may not have a choice. Comcast is bigger than Disney. Comcast has $180+ billion in assets. Disney has $95 billion in assets. Comcast revenue is $84 billion. Disney's is $55 billion. If Comcast really wants Fox they have the ability to outbid Disney.


Disney- So. Bake sale then?

*Stargate SG-1 joke*
 
Disney would be fools to let it go. They know what a goldmine they have. And they have the money.

I'm no financial whiz but I now $65B in cash is a **** tonne of money to pass up.
 
Disney could give them 66 in cash if they were serious.
 
Just go for the gold and give Fox, 100 billion :o.

Seriously though, I hope that the deal between Fox and Disney is so far ahead that there's no more backing down. Universal should go buy Paramount instead. :o
 

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