The Disney owns Fox thread

[psylockolussus]

20th Century Studios' Diminished Future: "I Don't Think the Label Means Anything Anymore"

Apparently, Emma Watts left 20th Century because she couldn't stomach the reduced power and autonomy when running it as a Disney subsidiary (and answering to Alan Horn and Alan Bergman).

Disney is under pressure for Watts' replacement to be a woman.

Well what was she expecting especially after a lot of Fox 2018/2019 films underperformed, films that were greenlit before Disney entered the picture.

Even Fox's 2020 film slate looks lackluster and a lot of these 2020 films were also greenlit under the old Fox regime. She was probably going to get fired at some point if she didn't leave.

 

[Flint Marko]

I should have expected people to get triggered.

You made it sound like most people here "ignored the implication", like we're all ignorant to/happy about Hollywood shrinking. That's a lie.

We enjoy the silver lining, you don't. It's not complicated.

 

[psylockolussus]

Under Disney, 20th will now release about four movies a year theatrically, down from as many as six or seven, and focus equally if not more so on making content for Disney+ and Hulu. Fox's Marvel movies, such as Deadpool, now fall under Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige's purview. For Watts — who worked closely with Ryan Reynolds in bringing the Deadpool series to the big screen and also was behind the larger X-Men franchise — this meant handing over some of her prized projects.

Disney's other production silos, like Marvel, Lucasfilm, Pixar, Walt Disney Animation and Searchlight, have clear identities, and the company's live-action studio, under the firm control of Sean Bailey, has found its billion-dollar niche remaking Disney's animated films, like The Lion King and March's Mulan. The answer to what makes something a 20th Century Studios film is murkier.

The unit's biggest swing by far will be James Cameron's four Avatar sequels, set to hit cinemas in late 2021, 2023, 2025 and 2027. "The label means Avatar and Avatar means the label," says Avatar producer Jon Landau. Disney insiders insist that 20th can pursue anything outside of a family film and that adult-driven titles will be welcomed.

I'm fine with this. I don't care much about Disney+ (other than to watch tentpole movies and the mcu shows), I don't see the point of Disney separating foX's library in 2 streaming services and four 20th Century films per year seems such a drastic change.

However, I'm a subscriber of Fox's yt channel so I always see the trailers for their newest movies and in the last 3 to 4 years, their movies just don't grab my interest. But I have seen majority of Disney's movies that they released in the last 3 years,good or bad. I'm only watching The New Mutants because it is technically a Marvel movie and King's Man because of the previous movies,but Death on the Nile is the only fox movie that I'm really interested to see this year.

 

[-JKR-]

I didn't lie.

 

[mclay18]

Disney is being textbook Disney and operating EXACTLY the way I thought they would.

Apparently Disney is just leaving Searchlight Pictures to its own devices, keeping the same team and allowing them to acquire s as far market films pre-buyout. 20th Century, on the other hand...

 

[psylockolussus]

Well based from the box office performances of several recent Fox movies. Its no surprise. 20th Century is heading to Paramount territory.

Fox's highest grossing movie in 2019 in North America only earned less than 250 million worldwide. While Alita/Dark PhoeniX which grossed more worldwide underperformed in the States. Their 2018 movies,Bohemian and Deadpool 2 performed well but the rest, not really. In terms of movie franchises, almost all their franchises underperformed at the boxoffice with few eXceptions like Deadpool and Logan.

I think its great that Disney plans to reconstruct 20th Century, as there is still potential to that brand. While Searchlight is another thing, its a smaller studio and was never really a home to big blockbuster movies.

 

[mclay18]

We got more marketing materials from Searchlight Pictures (“Wendy”) replete with the new logo. But it still says (c) 20th Century Fox Film Corporation below the logo.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm fine if Disney only releases Avatar/Poirot films plus 2 more films starting in 2022. Quality over quantity. FoX have eXhausted their franchises like Alien, Predator, Ice Age, Die Hard, Alvin and the Chipmunks, the X-Men, the Fantastic Four and literally ran them into the ground to the point that they all missed the $100 million mark in North America. While Independence Day 2 and Assassin's Creed were failed attempts for a movie franchise launch. I also see the Kingsman prequel underperforming and possibly killing the Kingsman movie franchise, like who really asked for a Kingsman prequel after just 2 movies?

I would be interested to see if Disney moves forward with another Planet of the Apes and Maze Runner, especially Planet of the Apes, there's still potential to it especially the last film was good despite underperforming. Aside from those four franchises, I think the new 20th Century should find new ips, if they want a movie franchise and also come up with interesting 1 and done movies. I feel like foX, in the last ten years, for every 1 The Martian, there were 3 X-Men Origins Wolverine, that weren't even entertaining to watch.

 

[Zant]

It's sad to see what 20th Century Fox has been reduced to, as yet another mere label in the Disney family which churn out three to four pics a year. I wouldn't be surprised if, with Emma Watts leaving, the studio just started doing sequels and remakes, like Disney's live action banner.

People thinking the studio would be allowed to operate like Touchstone or Miramax back in the day (and there were plenty of them) are in for a brutale wake-up call. And all that just to see Wolverine and some Eternal (or whatever) shake hands.....

Hope Emma Watts (and her close collaborators such as James Mangold and Ryan Reynolds) finds a better place than Disney soon.

Same for Peter Chernin.

I don't blame Emma, Seth Macfarlane and Chernin for running far far away...Ryan Reynolds and James Mangold are definitely next..

The biggest surprise so far is Searchlight has not been scraped yet

 

[PsylockeBlackWidow]

I don't get people beef with the Disney Fox merger. Why do they oppose it?

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't get people beef with the Disney Fox merger. Why do they oppose it?

People losing their jobs. Divisions getting shuttered. One company owning significantly more marketshare than many others. Potentially risks loss of other artistic voices and avenues that Fox Studios sometimes offered. Not necessarily a monopoly but making things more of a monopsony.

 

[terry78]

 

[psylockolussus]

Same energy!

People losing their jobs. Divisions getting shuttered. One company owning significantly more marketshare than many others. Potentially risks loss of other artistic voices and avenues that Fox Studios sometimes offered. Not necessarily a monopoly but making things more of a monopsony.

Well the owner was selling FoX anyway, another company was going to buy it. Its not like Disney went to Fox in the first place and Fox wasn't looking for a buyer. Which reminded me of the time that Fox tried to buy WB but WB didn't accept the offer.

 

[Dark Raven]

Looks similar to the original logo for 20th Century Pictures.

 

[Teelie]

People losing their jobs. Divisions getting shuttered. One company owning significantly more marketshare than many others. Potentially risks loss of other artistic voices and avenues that Fox Studios sometimes offered. Not necessarily a monopoly but making things more of a monopsony.

But the X-Men are with Marvel Studios again so it was worth it.

That is seriously the argument some people are still going with.

 

[terry78]

That South Park Mickey mouse is pretty accurate. I admit all I was thinking about was how we finally get FF and X- people interacting with the MCU but you see behind the scenes how the staffing is gonna suffer.

 

[psylockolussus]

People lose job everyday, thats just how businesses work. Nothing new and Earth shattering.

But the X-Men are with Marvel Studios again so it was worth it. .

Because it is.

Again why are you throwing a fit at Disney. Fox wanted to be bought by Disney and Fox was selling anyway. Plus Its not like Disney got Fox for free as well and didn't go through dozen of government approvals. You should blame Rupert Murdoch.

Also there are other studios out there for you to support, Sony, LionsGate, Paramount, Stx, Universal, Wb, Open road, etc.

 

[ironwez20]

People act like Disney held fox up at gunpoint lol

 

[CaptainWagner]

People lose job everyday, thats just how businesses work. Nothing new and Earth shattering.

Because it is.

I'm starting to think Disney could literally burn the rest of Hollywood to the ground and certain folks here would still be cheering them on if it meant more Marvel content.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm starting to think Disney could literally burn the rest of Hollywood to the ground and certain folks here would still be cheering them on if it meant more Marvel content.

Yeah no.

I don't eat up every marvel releases (for eXample: Agents of Shield, those canceled tv shows, the recent comics, the recent cartoon shows), Fyi. And I complained about their tv shows and comics as much as I complained about the former foX regime.

I just don't see the point of getting bitter at Disney for acquiring foX when the previous owner of FoX studios, wanted and agreed to sell Fox Studios to Disney. Disney didn't play dirty or went through illegal processes (as far I know) to acquire Fox for people to act like its the end of Hollywood and Disney will monopolize the Entertainment industry just because a lot of their movies the hitting the $1 billion mark. Flash news, there are still plenty of other companies out there.

 

[psylockolussus]

People act like Disney held fox up at gunpoint lol

Lol eXactly. I saw 1 post wishing Disney to get their karma? Karma for what? For killing the Gambit movie that was always getting delayed by the old Fox or the upcoming gag film X-Force?

Rupert Murdoch approached Disney in the first place. And Disney have every right now on what to do with the fox library and its studios. Its not like they are firing people just to be petty. May I remind people again Fox the film division have more misses than hits both in boX office and critical reception in the last 3 years.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Flash news, there are still plenty of other companies out there.

That's what everyone always said until there's only a handful of studios crushing creativity and dictating terms to theaters. Anti-monopoly laws are practically dead in America, so Disney is able to get away with a purchase like this. And now, just like everyone predicted, the unique movies Fox used to sponsor are being torn down to add to making more assembly-line Disney films. Why is it so hard to understand that people have issues with this?

 

[psylockolussus]

That's what everyone always said until there's only a handful of studios crushing creativity and dictating terms to theaters. Anti-monopoly laws are practically dead in America, so Disney is able to get away with a purchase like this. And now, just like everyone predicted, the unique movies Fox used to sponsor are being torn down to add to making more assembly-line Disney films. Why is it so hard to understand that people have issues with this?

Eh. You can say that once Disney is the only remaining studio left, and every movie/v shows coming out are from the house of mouse - but as of now your concerns are just not realistic. If people were fired by Disney, no one is stopping them to go to another studio or do it independently. Like I already said, Fox had more misses than hits in the last three years, so I don't know what you meant by "unique".

And Maybe other Studios just need to learn how to sell a movie?

 

[TheVileOne]

People act like Disney held fox up at gunpoint lol

I never said they did. My point is that there are downsides to corporate mergers. Other companies were bidding for Fox as well and it would've been the same.

 

[ironwez20]

I never said they did. My point is that there are downsides to corporate mergers. Other companies were bidding for Fox as well and it would've been the same.

Myra I know but fox wanted to be sold and they choose Disney