The Disney owns Fox thread

[terry78]

Of course they are.

 

[StarLord]

''The Call of the Wild, which saw its $125 million budget balloon after reshoots, is tracking to open in the $15 million range over the Feb. 21-23 weekend.''

Jesus.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I think it’s incredibly hard for a director of animation to make their first live-action entry something big budget.

Brad Bird got through Mission Impossible okay because it was a well oiled machine but Tomorrowland sort of blew up in budget.

So did John Carter with Andrew Stanton.

I’m sure Chris Sanders felt the same kind of pressure on this.

 

[Teelie]

Another ballooning budget tied to a movie almost destined to flop? Must be Disney.

 

[-JKR-]

It's sad to see what 20th Century Fox has been reduced to, as yet another mere label in the Disney family which churn out three to four pics a year. I wouldn't be surprised if, with Emma Watts leaving, the studio just started doing sequels and remakes, like Disney's live action banner.

People thinking the studio would be allowed to operate like Touchstone or Miramax back in the day (and there were plenty of them) are in for a brutale wake-up call. And all that just to see Wolverine and some Eternal (or whatever) shake hands.....

Hope Emma Watts (and her close collaborators such as James Mangold and Ryan Reynolds) finds a better place than Disney soon.

Same for Peter Chernin.

 

[PsylockeBlackWidow]

It's sad to see what 20th Century Fox has been reduced to, as yet another mere label in the Disney family which churn out three to four pics a year. I wouldn't be surprised if, with Emma Watts leaving, the studio just started doing sequels and remakes, like Disney's live action banner.

People thinking the studio would be allowed to operate like Touchstone or Miramax back in the day (and there were plenty of them) are in for a brutale wake-up call. And all that just to see Wolverine and some Eternal (or whatever) shake hands.....

Hope Emma Watts (and her close collaborators such as James Mangold and Ryan Reynolds) finds a better place than Disney soon.

Same for Peter Chernin.

I am tired of people making snarky comments about Marvel characters when talking about Disney/Fox situation.

 

[-JKR-]

Good for you. That's why most of the people online were so hot for the buyout, though, ignoring every other implication. So the snark is more than justified, and brought up in the perfect context (SHH), considering how dripping wet people on here were for only one reason.

And I wouldn't be surprised (at all!) if you were part of the "oh my Gosh, Disney and Feige are so gonna save the Marvel characters from Fox" club.

Btw, are you PsylockeColossus with a new username?

 

[terry78]

 

[PsylockeBlackWidow]

Good for you. That's why most of the people online were so hot for the buyout, though, ignoring every other implication. So the snark is more than justified, and brought up in the perfect context (SHH), considering how dripping wet people on here were for only one reason.

And I wouldn't be surprised (at all!) if you were part of the "oh my Gosh, Disney and Feige are so gonna save the Marvel characters from Fox" club.

Btw, are you PsylockeColossus with a new username?

Well i see it on Non-Superhero message boards, reddit, and social media the snarks and its tiring.

 

[Zarex]

It's sad to see what 20th Century Fox has been reduced to, as yet another mere label in the Disney family which churn out three to four pics a year. I wouldn't be surprised if, with Emma Watts leaving, the studio just started doing sequels and remakes, like Disney's live action banner.

People thinking the studio would be allowed to operate like Touchstone or Miramax back in the day (and there were plenty of them) are in for a brutale wake-up call. And all that just to see Wolverine and some Eternal (or whatever) shake hands.....

I would agree, I don't see much of a long term future for 20th Century Studios. Searchlight is producing the relatively low budget prestige flicks and Disney has the family, superhero, and animation covered under their existing banners. So what films will 20th Century Studios handle? I don't see the Mouse suddenly gaining interest in pricey R rated fare. I could defintely see the banner being "Touchstoned".

But that being said......it's silly to blame the loss of a classic movie studio on the fans who want to see Logan pitching woo with Sersi (THEY HAVE NAMES!!!). Rupert Murdoch was going to sell his entertainment assets off regardless, and the same exact scenario would have occurred if Kabletown (or anyone else) won the bidding war. Old timey entertainment companies are all either acquiring assets to compete with the likes of Amazon, Netflix and Apple or looking for the exit. This certainly isn't the end of the shakeup in the movie biz.

 

[NotNickFury]

Good for you. That's why most of the people online were so hot for the buyout, though, ignoring every other implication. So the snark is more than justified, and brought up in the perfect context (SHH), considering how dripping wet people on here were for only one reason.

And I wouldn't be surprised (at all!) if you were part of the "oh my Gosh, Disney and Feige are so gonna save the Marvel characters from Fox" club.

Btw, are you PsylockeColossus with a new username?

Don't give Psy ideas to make a second account...

 

[-JKR-]

I would agree, I don't see much of a long term future for 20th Century Studios. Searchlight is producing the relatively low budget prestige flicks and Disney has the family, superhero, and animation covered under their existing banners. So what films will 20th Century Studios handle? I don't see the Mouse suddenly gaining interest in pricey R rated fare. I could defintely see the banner being "Touchstoned".

But that being said......it's silly to blame the loss of a classic movie studio on the fans who want to see Logan pitching woo with Sersi (THEY HAVE NAMES!!!). Rupert Murdoch was going to sell his entertainment assets off regardless, and the same exact scenario would have occurred if Kabletown (or anyone else) won the bidding war. Old timey entertainment companies are all either acquiring assets to compete with the likes of Amazon, Netflix and Apple or looking for the exit. This certainly isn't the end of the shakeup in the movie biz.

Sure, but Disney was always the worst-case scenario for the buyout. They've always been... Peculiar... About the way they handle acquired properties, whereas I could have seen Comcast keeping Universal and Fox as individual studios, just like Time Warner did for years with Warner Bros. and New Line (until the latter collapsed).

Disney is being textbook Disney and operating EXACTLY the way I thought they would.

 

[-JKR-]

Well i see it on Non-Superhero message boards, reddit, and social media the snarks and its tiring.

Time to devolop bigger skin, then, and just be happy about the future handshakes. It's not like the snark comes from a place of falsity.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

And all that just to see Wolverine and some Eternal (or whatever) shake hands.....

I'm sorry, were any of the people who wanted to see that in control of the merger?

I still don't understand these ridiculous jabs people keep taking. It was the Murdochs' own idea to sell 20th Century off. If Disney didn't buy it, someone else would have, and Fox would have become another subdivision of any other company. Since the sale was gonna happen anyway, being happy at the bonus dividend of Marvel being united under one roof isn't any kind of sin.

The people who wanted to see that didn't force the two companies to merge. They didn't whisper the idea in executives' heads. The people who wanted to see it couldn't have stopped it if they wanted to. But hey, let's just cast aside logic for some snide, snooty film snobbish comments throwing shade at people who see an upside to 20th Century Fox being 'dismantled' (which it would have been anyway).

If Comcast had won the bidding war, do you really think that they would have done anything differently than Disney? People might argue "BuT FoX SeArChLiGhT iS gOiNg UnDeR!?!?!" --not yet it isn't. All Disney has done is remove the "Fox" from the name, which didn't even come into play until 20th Century Pictures and Fox merged way back in the 30s. With Fox News still being a thing, Comcast would have taken the steps to separate the branding as well. If anyone else had bought Fox, there still would have been massive layoffs, reduced output and a shift in the branding.

Yeah, Watts left because she doesn't like that 20thCF is now just another cog in the machine. It was gonna happen (probably) anyway. Comcast would have treated them just like another IP factory, same as Disney.

If you don't like what's happened, make snide jabs at Rupert Murdoch. It's his fault. Not any of us who see an upside. Don't be an ass.

 

[-JKR-]

Yup, if I had to guess, Comcast would have probably handled the buyout differently.

Other than that, it's okay. What's done is fine, but.. What upside?? There is no upside about this.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Yup, if I had to guess, Comcast would have probably handled the buyout differently.

Other than that, it's okay. What's done is fine, but.. What upside?? There is no upside about this.

Are you one of those people who thinks Disney will ruin the X-Men? Is that why you're so angry about it?

Look, I liked some of the Fox X-movies. I would have preferred if Fox stayed their own studio, too. But what's done IS done, and hey, if Fox was going to become a subdivision of someone else anyway, at least there's a bonus dividend for some folks. Just because it isn't your cup of tea doesn't make it okay to sh*t on people who see one nice thing come of it. We're not to blame for it.

Nobody was rooting for there to be one less film studio. But if that was destined, at least it got absorbed by the one studio where one cool thing can happen with it. And on a forum of comic book fans, you've got a lot of gall being surprised that Disney being the one to swallow Fox was the preferred outcome. So yes, it's the one upside of Fox going away.

 

[-JKR-]

Honestly, I don't really care about what they'll do with the X-Men. Could be good, like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, or totally bland.

Seeing a major studio, which is responsible for MORE than just comic book movies (and was doing pretty fine with them, as well) go down like this and be completely eviscerated is sad, though.

Cancelling Mouse Guard and putting Wes Ball on Planet of the Apes seems like a good preview of what Disney will do with Fox going forward.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Honestly, I don't really care about what they'll do with the X-Men. Could be good, like the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, or totally bland.

Seeing a major studio, which is responsible for MORE than just comic book movies (and was doing pretty fine with them, as well) go done like this and be completely eviscerated is sad, though.

Cancelling Mouse Guard and putting Wes Ball on Planet of the Apes seems like a good preview of what Disney will do with Fox going forward.

Granted, Disney isn't as much of a real film studio as they used to be. Had they bought Fox back in the Touchstone days, I think the results would have been more preferable--but the entire industry is shifting toward the kind of business Disney is doing--IP factories that leverage everything on blockbusters--but Disney didn't get that way for any other reason than that's where the money is anymore. Films like Taxi Driver would be limited run and direct to video if it were made now. I don't know if you can blame Disney for chasing the trend--that's what businesses do. If it were financially advantageous to keep Fox as a regular filmmaking machine, Disney would. Comcast or AT&T or what-have-you would have boiled Fox down and stripped their assets too.

Concluding, blame Rupert Murdoch, blame the masses for only going to see blockbusters, blame theatrical pricing, blame anything except comic fans who are technically blameless. Public support or disapproval had no bearing on the merger. It's like kicking the cat for your dog crapping in the house--how is it the cat's fault?

 

[-JKR-]

I would never kick my cat or dog, either way.

 

[Zarex]

Sure, but Disney was always the worst-case scenario for the buyout. They've always been... Peculiar... About the way they handle acquired properties, whereas I could have seen Comcast keeping Universal and Fox as individual studios, just like Time Warner did for years with Warner Bros. and New Line (until the latter collapsed).

Kabletown would have been worse. NBCUniversal would have had LESS incentive to keep both the 20th Century and Universal banners in operation since they handle the exact same type of fare. Though unlikely, there's a better chance that the studio (eventually) thrives under Disney than it would under Comcast.

And other former parts of the Fox empire are much better off under the Mouse. In addition to the consolidation of the Marvel and Star Wars rights, Searchlight Pictures fills a niche previously unfilled at Disney and appears to have made it out of the merger in good shape with Marvel Studios level of autonomy. Universal, which owns Focus Features, likely wouldn't have been nearly as good a partner. FX is thriving as well, with Iger directing content from that network to the Hulu service. There's considerable more overlap with NBC Universal, which owns USA and TNT.

Back when the deal was announced I thought the former Fox was an odd fit with Disney. But Comcast would have been worse.

 

[psylockolussus]

FoX was bought by the best studio. If it went to Universal, I wonder how bad Marvel movies are going to get post Dark PhoeniX, especially X-Men movies that they would have released under Kinberg's supervision and Watts' approval.

Hmmmm.


Emma Watts Resigns as Twentieth Century Studios Production President

Good news.

 

[-JKR-]

I doubt that Comcast would have been worse, for different reasons (including, but not esclusive to, Universal's past experience with its Int'l distribution arm UIP and its long lasting collaborations with other Major studios such as Paramount), but to each his own.

 

[psylockolussus]

Universal / Comcast, the company that brought you recent flops like Cats and Dolittle.

Thank God, 20th Century and its MARVEL film/tv rights went to Disney/Marvel Studios.

Don't give Psy ideas to make a second account...

I've been here since 2004 and never made a 2nd account.

Black Widow is fierce but I would never use her as a username. If I were to change my username it would be Psylaris which sounds pretty cool.

 

[Flint Marko]

Good for you. That's why most of the people online were so hot for the buyout, though, ignoring every other implication. So the snark is more than justified, and brought up in the perfect context (SHH), considering how dripping wet people on here were for only one reason.

And I wouldn't be surprised (at all!) if you were part of the "oh my Gosh, Disney and Feige are so gonna save the Marvel characters from Fox" club.

Btw, are you PsylockeColossus with a new username?

Love when people conflate enthusiasm for Marvel finally getting their toys back (which most of us have been wanting for years) with cheering on late-stage capitalism.

 

[-JKR-]

I should have expected people to get triggered.